Serious question. 100 % serious

I just don't socialise with British people.

Don't lump me together with the scottish and northerners

I know the feel OP.

I'm British and all my friends are foreign. Pretty much everyone I've had sex with was foreign too.

If you don't play a long with the rigid class system people quietly seethe at you (if they are middle class), or openly attack you (if they are working class). At least posher British people are so spineless it's easy to upset them by being very direct and watching them squirm with rage.

Yeah it sucks if you concentrate on what the masses are doing so I'd advise not doing that ever.

From my experience, there's plenty of ordinary nerds out there who don't like to go out and get pissed every weekend. Filter out those nerds from the chads and maybe one in ten will be readers.

If you need further ideas then maybe a bookish Meetup group will satiate you. Anything to do with theatre or independent cinema is also a good shout.

don't worry boyo Tobias Smollett was 1000 times smarter then you and felt he was out of place in england as well!

even in the rural parts of the u.s. people have to spend 13 years crammed into a public school full of normies

I feel Chad isn't a good word for a normie Brit, "Gavins" would be better.

Alternatively, move to Oxford, Cambridge, Brighton or London. Steer clear of post-industrial cities (the apathy around them is pungent).

>don't lump me in with those celts
>the ones who write all the good lit
ayeaye limey

have a very small amount of individuals whom u share common interests with, ignore everyone else they're fuckn tossers tip tip hooray! get pissed on the reg and write sweet poetry words, discuss feelings of ineptitude and crushingly low self-esteem

>he didn't skateboard when he was younger and thus didn't become a part of the best group one coule be a part of

I didn't mention the Irish or Welsh

Scotland just has Hume and Le Economy Man

Oh, or Bristol.

You sound socially inept. Don't make excuses for your lack of virtues.

Elliot Rodger skateboarded as a kid and it didn't help him at all.

>Who is Robert Burns
>Who is Edwin Morgan
>Who is Norman MacCaig
>Who is Hugh MacDiarmid
>Who is Walter Scott
>Who is Irvine Welsh
>Who is Alasdair Gray
>Who is Thomas Reid

I'm not gonna claim we've got the richest literary history of any country, but we're doing okay

I have a theory that high density populations tend to be somewhat rigidly stratified/divided and just suck in some ways.
Pop. density is one of those underrated topics in social science and politics.
England is IMO just too densely populated (among other problems).

Heavy alcohol use

>who is

Yeah exactly lmao

>loner puts himself on the moral high ground and blames everyone else for his isolation

ho hum

>How the FUCK do you cope with the vast majority of people everywhere being glib as fuck vacuous normie automatons?
I'm not so cripplingly maladjusted that I can't still see them as human beings, even if they don't provide interesting conversation.

m8 don't do that to a list that includes both robert burns and irvine welsh. nobody likes the middle class

I can't hear your text post over the sound of my land's rich literary tradition I'm afraid.

The only conversations that I hear are:

>"I drank so many voddies last night and I vomited everywhere HHAAHAH"
>conversations consisting entirely of the world "alright?"
>just endlessly plowing through funny youtube videos and having to fake a really shrill laugh after each one to show how in with it you are

All my friends end up being erasmus students because they can actually hold a real conversation

Quite a lot of Super upper class people are surprisingly alright and cultured.

I know a few and they're vapid morons who call their parents mummy and daddy despite being 40 years old.

forgot ian rankin mate
isn't he the biggest selling scottish author of all time or summat

m8 you even have to import your kings from germany and scotland, don't make me pick out the irish people you're trying to steal by posting a list. you're a nation of accountants, and you get the linga franca. be glad for that and leave writing poetry to those of us too drunk to get a day job.

*lingua
>list
of authors obviously

Have you tried not being autistic?

English people never seem to get this one, it's pretty basic.

Don't try to have banter with me mate. Your folk can't even vote for independence properly.

Richards. Or Dicks, for short.

Probably true.

I think the UK also has a problem in that London sucks up all the young folk meaning none of the other cities ever change as nobody ever needs to move there.

Regional pride ends up being massive as a result.

lmao @ Britain's Victorian-tier class system

The best thing about America is that we don't have nearly as much class prejudice as Europoors

Shut up redneck

What I thought we were talking about Scots not the Welsh...

the low countries have the most densely population regions in europe and are doing fine

Yeah, EVERYBODY's middle-class.

It's fucking hell. There's a reason your faggot teens are leaping into the new blue-collar job system (STEM) -willingly-.

I've never understood why Americans can't see class in their own country....

>The only conversations that I hear are:
>"I drank so many voddies last night and I vomited everywhere HHAAHAH"

Oh god I know this feel, my best friend and I used to talk about history and films all the time. He dropped me after 5 years of friendship to go sniff ameyl and go on week long benders with his new friends

Are there any books of the last 100 years that could be described as British parallels to GR/Underworld/The Recognitions/IJ? I feel like Burgerland has all these meandering doorstoppers with massive casts whilst the closest thing we have nothing similar. (I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just that it's interesting.)

So yeah, what's the Great British Thicc Novel of the last century?

I haven't read it, but I always assumed Vanity Fair was Britain's Thicc novel

Britain is a husk of it's former self, America is at the forefront of culture

My diary desu

Yeah there are probably quite a few from the 19th century (middlemarch, a few Dickens novels, a fuckload of other Victorian one) but I'm thinking more along the lines of 1900 onwards.

>England
>country
hwat?

My God. That's what the word was. They were just trying to show their accent. Those Anglo-Saxons...

A dance to the music of time

>implying the glorious corruption of the irish state is not the most honest government in the world
don't be jelly because your politics are no fun and unprofitable, any reasonable declaration of independence would come from poets and newspapermen taking over the post office with improvised weaponry. there's a reason why the russians recognised us first and it's because they know from lit

>robert burns and irvine welsh are welsh, not scottish
10/10 if trolling, i cried a little inside for the future of humanity if serious

It's horrible to live in this country if you don't "fit the norm". There's less acceptance of being "clever" or "cultured" - especially if you aren't middle class. Being someone who enjoys literature, history and politics in the post-industrial north makes you feel like an outcast.

It's horrible to live in any country if you don't "fit the norm".

ayy this looks good, thanks

The period of Britain's long slow decline from global pre-eminence, you mean? Not really surprising that it stopped punching above its weight in literary terms.

Why are you talking about Ireland

Maybe, but different countries have different cultures. America seems more accepting of people who are a bit "different", and other countries don't have the same social hierarchy and culture that the UK has.

i'm not the scottish guy. to be fair to scotland, they didn't know you were going to vote for independence wrong. we should make this about lit, but england a shit in pol and lit

M8, the trick is to be a proletarian intellectual. I went to a public school (a comprehensive, that is) and went to Uni on a science scholarship and I enjoy being Veeky Forums and grew up not fitting in too well.

But to earn the right, you also need to get into street-level left politics, and to balance the literary high-life with boozy low-life camaraderie with the people you were lucky enough to be born amongst. Use your lit and politics knowledge to get people interested in the world around them, while using shared class experiences to make sure people know you're not some posh undergraduate Trotskyite from a good neighbourhood.

Rise with your class, not above it.

(Australian here, works for me)

>Walking around in a public street with no shoes on

Good idea actually - but i'm much too centrist to be considered a trotskyite or a socialist by any measure.

>boozy low-life camaraderie
I've already completely rejected that lifestyle and have no intentions of getting into it.

In what ways do you feel restricted in that sense?

>tfw you go to a really decent university to get away from normies and somehow even smart rich well-heeled people manage to just be hyper-normies
>tfw even getting a phd is somehow not enough to stop you from being a worthless prole
>tfw all these fucking proles coming from million dollar households, going to private schools, and getting ivy league phds and they're still shitbrain plebs who spend all day going "Rogue One :) I like a movie :) The restaurant everyone likes is also the one I like :) I like restaurant :) Rogue One for the WIN! :) Movie good :) I like to see movie and go to restaurant :) Haha I have phone :) Haha I watch movie on phone ;)"
>tfw you think it's just their normie culture mode that is normie, and that when they talk about their specialties they will be more interesting
>log onto facebook
>"JUST GRAD STUDENT THINGS XDDD XDD JDXD XDXDJ JXD JXDJXDDD X D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>MAKIN GRAD STUDENT TEA IN THE LOUNGE.. OMG. TEA FOR THE WIN! WATCHIN' ROGUE ONE IN THE LOUNGE :)
>HAVIN FUN WATCHIN A MOVIE. GOTA PHONE, ATE SOME FOOD, GONNA GO TO THAT HELLA EPIC RESTAURANT EVERYONE LIKES ;) I LIKE THE THINGS EVERYONE ELSE LIKES. READIN' BOOKS FTW DUDE! HAHA THAT'S THE GRADS TUDENT LIFE YO!!! ! XDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just remind yourself that they are untermenschen and that they won't survive the coming strife.

If that's not a pasta then I appreciate the effort that went into writing that.

Class is not about wealth. It is about culture. In my opinion if you have recently been to an art gallery, read an entire classic novel, listened to music that is not electronica and articulate properly without stupid slang, you are already better than 60% of people and therefore culturally middle class. The only reason it is associated with wealth is that a lack of wealth means you might live somewhere where it is harder to do these things and you socialise with people who will laugh if you said you do the aforementioned activities

I was born to a middle/upper class family in Kent but I could easily become 'lower class' if I just talked about the trash people call entertainment these days and then went out for a pint and some footie.

I am way more edgy than you can even imagine in your mockery of me

When I conquer the proles, you will be sent to gulag

Thanks friend I'm autism

Normie here. What's your problem with liking popular movies and restaurants?

It's rooted in wealth historically. You could argue that class has been democratized a bit due to the internet and TV, but wealth is still a huge part of it.

Because class is dictated by green, which can be gained and lost.

Because they are all bad.

The ideas they promote are bad, their beneficiaries are overpayed, and their prime interests lie in pedalling bland un-challenging mass appeal gunk.

It does not stimulate a functioning brain.

Only in the minds of the lower classes.

If a person living in a council house estate said last week he went to the Tate Britain, enjoyed the works of X and had spent other time reading Don Quixote, I would immediately respect him way more than his peers - regardless of wealth.

I agree to some extent. I feel like I am sometimes in an identity crisis though, due to my "class", "wealth" and relative "culture". I'm from a working class family in the North that had a household income of barely 20k when I was growing up. Yet I loved literature and History, as well as football, so I often felt out of place. Luckily I managed to escape to University (the first person in my family) and meet like-minded people, but I'm still somewhat of a family outcast. I'm not sure what "class" I am.

>not being a subhuman equals being autistic

>What's your problem with liking popular movies and restaurants?

There is no point to your existence. You're an animal thinking already thought thoughts.

Normies don't even exist as discrete individuals.

>Street level lefty politics

Fuck off your loony lefty student scummer, we're talking our country back

;)

You're here, you're not a normie.

We cannot help where we are born, and while in a traditional sense you are possibly lower class, going to university allows you to mix and adapt into the academic elite. This is very good. And you are therefore middle class, maybe.

Everything normal people talk about is boring.

These people don't look posh at all. . . At least by American standards, they ook like poor/middle class losers.

In fact (at least in America), wealthy preppy people tend to be more educated/lit. Of course their interests are somewhat suerficial, but preppy and/or hipstery kids (most hipsters seem to be upper-middle or upper class) tend to be more intellectual and esy to get along with then trashy working/middle class "normies". It all kinda sucks for me cause I'm just an ordinary lower-middle class pleb (nurse mother, English teacher pseud father), but I usually date preppy/hipstery girls.

I was starting to think it was only me who noticed this, and it was just my personal autism, but most people really do just say things like " wow I love coffee hahaha :) " , and I've never understood how nobody has ever come down on them for their shit conversations skills?

I used to think I had to be smart and funny to talk to people but now I just make jokes at them and ask them about their stupid boring lives and they talk away inanely smiling. If you try to force them to have an opinion or think they tilt their head to one side like a confused dog with their mouth slightly open and gurgle something nonsensical, till the pained expression on their face finally makes you stop, and you feel bad for making them feel weirdly inferior.

TLDR; Thanks user, I feel less alone.

I hope so. I just hope my accent, dialect and regional values/culture doesn't disadvantage my attempt at "social mobility".

I'm probably part of the 2% of people in my country that read books and can speak english fluently

So, I guess that picture really applies to me :^)

You're a normal person

No, I'm very abnormal you don't know me.

Middle class means something else in Britain. The people in the picture are upper-working class, possibly lower-middle.

You know my name not my story.

You're a normie. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US.

Nothing, I think. I watched Rogue One the other day and while it wasn't anything special it was at least an entertaining two hours.

I might be projecting but I think people here struggle with the idea that you're actually allowed to have fun sometimes.

those are working class people in america too, it's just people who don't live in major cities think some plumber making 70k is middle class