Is there any decent literature on White identity/racial consciousness? Pan-European identity?

>things have to be exactly the same to share "identity" in any capacity

so you're against all culture, religion, nationality, and history that all people feel unite them?

"White Identity" is almost always northern europeans or americans latching onto the accomplishments of tanned south europeans that any other day of the year would get called lazy, or even non-white.

Agamben was right. Northern Europe has more in common with America and southern European needs to break off from the north to maintain their culture.

There is no Pan-European identity, there never was. It is manufactured.

Being an ignorant canadian, this is a divide I have never seen before. Southern Europe is best europe, eh?

>8932671

whenever vastly different races meet the ethnicity composing each, genetically closer to each other, mysteriously consolidate initially to identify themselves vs the new other

also known as 'white', 'red', 'black', 'yellow' etc

inb4 'muh brown middle eastern people'

because there is purple doesn't deny the reality there is red and blue

This pretty much.

It's impossible to not begin to harbor a racial or European identity after you've gotten yourself deep into the western canon.

It is the ONLY europe.

Where was pan-European identity when everyone was condoning the economic plundering of Greece? "Haha, pay debts! Lazy Greeks!" Well, now, Greece can't afford border security and why would they want to protect those who back stabbed them?

So the worst Muslim refugees flood into Europe and now everyone starts panicking and calling for pan-European unity but it completely ignores the problem.

There is a fundamental economic and cultural divide between the north and the south.

>this whole thread
*tips fedora*

You aren't a special snowflake just because you lack melanin, sorry to break it to you

Really?

Like how in The Iliad Homer describes the Persians as paler than Greeks? The obsession with race and skin colour has ALWAYS been a northern European thing, to make up for their lack of lifestyle and culture.

Southern Europe is a misnomer as well, the real connection is Mediterranean culture. Coastal Mediterranean society produced much of what northern Europeans call their heritage, ideas were flourishing on the Greek, Levantine, Italian, and Spanish coasts while Germans were living in mud huts and cowering whenever they heard thunder.

>white/european is about melanin

lel anyway we've got you, you can tag along now

Nice and white like Goebbels. Always the ones calling for racial identity are usually the ugliest and least accomplished.

Germany didn't even come up with the idea for Fascism. They had to to steal from the Italians and make it worse.

>Northern Europe has more in common with America
What the fuck man.

Maybe if by "Northern Europe" you mean "Germany and England".

>National Socialism was fascism

Pan-europeanism only based on geographic location and skin color. These pan movements in general are very superficial classifications. For example, Nigeria and Ethiopia have zero relevance to one another in history, culture, religion, language yet they are lumped together in "pan-africanism" because both are geographically located on the same continent and both are black.

As for Pan-europeanism, the only thing they really share together across the board is ideas of 1. religion and 2. laws and government, which originated with the greeks/romans. Besides that, europe in general is a very different place when you compare one end to another. You put a portugese man in a room with an estonian and they will look at each other in indifference.

Just read the classics and fuck off back to /pol/

"White" basically doesn't and never has existed. You're talking about people coming from vastly different backgrounds that have historically not identified with one another.

in the 1700s or so, a French person wouldn't look at an English person and think because they both were white, they were the same. They actually saw eachother as inhuman as many whites see blacks now.

Same goes for just about any european culture. There's massive differences between latins/non latins, chatholic/protestant, and that isn't even talking about the differences from country to country.

The protestant, anglos of America would laugh if you called the Irish or italians as white equals to them up until the 1970s or so. My mom even talks about how she wasn't allowed to associate with catholic kids, even if they were white, in her day.

White was shaky invention of the early slave days, in order to calm down the white slaves (servants) who were the most troublesome, and frequently revolted. They tried to stoke their ego by saying how superior they were to the black permanent slaves, and how they could eventually be freed one day (even though most werent) in order to settle their asses down.

Didn't actually work though, and they just went to all black, permanent slavery, yet the whole white idea stuck somehow.

I'm sorry, what exactly does Scandinavia have in common with France, Italy, Spain, Greece?

Good food? No. Rich history? No. Going bald when you're still in high school? No.

The north are ALWAYS the first to trash the south whenever its economically convienient.

I concur with this.

Read the European classics and you'll have plenty to identify with.

Start with the Greeks.

>The north are ALWAYS the first to trash the south whenever its economically convienient.

The weak should fear the strong

>basing your identity on the melanin in your skin
>feeling pride for accomplishments you had no part in

You can always tell a loser.

>wanderer above a sea of fog

perfect lmao. I bet the sequel will have Ilya Repin

>The north are ALWAYS the first to trash the south whenever its economically convienient.
It's that Protestant work ethic, makes people 'holier than thou'.

I'm English, don't group me with the filthy jocks, paddies, krauts, frogs, and guineas.

Pan-europeanism is for progressive scum and mongrels from the new world.

pol btfo

Can Celts join with Meds?

I don't want to be stuck with The eternal T*uton, Angl* and F*ngol

plus this is a thing apparently

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Celtic

>>basing your identity on the melanin in your skin

Obviously not since the melanin difference in Italians and Estonians are hugely different.

Europe shares much, christendom, language and a very intertwined history together.

Also DNA.

>celts wanting to suck the dick of those who enslaved them and called them savages

UNTERMENSCH RACE

> i am so white dude
>but i will base my religion on a skinshit on a stick
l m a o

So? Africans share dna, but ethnic groups are constantly killing one another.

Same with arabs.

>Can Celts join with Meds?
Why do you want to? The whole point is that you have your own culture and they have theirs. You can admire their culture and adapt it but trying to link your ancestry to Troy is weak as fuck (fuck you Snorri Sturluson you fucking hack).

>christendom

Delete this

Not an argument

The Jew wants Pan-europeanism

Always remember this

Protestantism is NOT Christianity.

Europeans shared Paganism too.

There were few differences between the different Pagan European religions. Be it Norse, Celtic, Slavic or Roman.

>Chrstendom
Copied from Mediterraneans then bastardized to remove the good parts. Very sad example of European "heritage".

>There were few differences between the different Pagan European religions. Be it Norse, Celtic, Slavic or Roman.
>Roman
Nice try Anglo scum.

There wasn't much difference between Roman, Greek, Egyptian and Persian paganism either.

I don't know about all Celts, but the Irish are descendents of the Egyptian pharaohs, therefore mediterranean and have a stronger link to true EVROPA.

This is a truism that the Scandies don't want people to know.

There were similarities stretching across to India then

Zoroastrianism are not much alike European paganism and Egyptian aren't very similar either.(unless all you are refering to is the polytheism)

American here. Can you fucking europoors just fucking become one culture already? Other in America the whites are fucking one and look what we've achieved with Trump and how rich we are, you guys are balkanated and are poor with cucked politics.

Yes? There is a reason they're called Indo-European religions

fuck off mutt, real people is talking here

American here. Fuck you.

The only paganisms which are truly similar are the germanic ones. Greek and Egyptian paganism had a lot of syncretism.

G*rmans and E*glish are LITERALLY celtic though.

>The only paganisms which are truly similar are the germanic ones. Greek and Egyptian paganism had a lot of syncretism.
They're all similar. Read Eliade.

Not true

European paganism share an Indo-European heritage and are quite similar, obviously Germanic religions are even more similar

Not so fast, beyata nordics.

I should have said they're much more similar to each other than they are to Greco-Roman paganism.

>Anglos
>Germans
>Celts
Scots, Welsh and Irish are Celts.

>The Germanic languages are much more similar to eachother than to the Greek/Roman languages therefore....

Sudovian book was from the 16th century, not the best source

>I don't know about all Celts, but the Irish are descendents of the Egyptian pharaohs
SHTALL THE BALL

I'm saying there were more than "few differences" between the paganisms of Europe.

Wrong, Germans are continental celts who speak a "germanic" language inherited from scandinavian invaders.

Danes are also largely not scandinavian, but celtic.

> Germans wished so badly that Greece had money to do border security, but they themselves argued against it!

Germans fought against the origins of Europe and the origins of democracy. When the Greeks wanted to act democratically (read: European) and resist getting cucked by neoliberals (a northern European invention) for things that were not their fault they were shot down by barbaric savage Germans.

Germans thought they could get away with destroying the cultural origins of Europe and not have it backfire on them.

If this isn't karma I don't know what is.

>celts wanting to suck the dick of those who enslaved them and called them savages
Meh, we sacked Rome and Delphi so we kind of deserved it. Meds are sound and have good culture, where as Germanics are autistic and gay, so I'm, just making the rational choice.

Sure, but only later Greco-Roman paganism, which were syncretic due to influences from the earliest monotheisms and even buddhism.

In their ur-forms, all these indo-european paganisms are essentially the same, the most accurate depiction likely being the vedas. Though of course, indo-european paganism is in itself syncretic, in that it is their largely lost, somewhat animistic religion mixed with neolithic farmer fertility and earth cults.

Doesn't matter. You can do the same with Norse gods

Anyway it is kinda pointless to argue with someone who disagree with the similarities between the Indo-European religions. Since outside of this thread it's common knowledge.
>getting into semantics

Of course white (which means european, don't fall for jewish psyop memes about blonde hair and blue eyes) identity exists, even tough there are differences internally amongst european and european-descended people.

Shared cultural origins (christianity and the greco-roman legacy) plus shared genetic origins and a shared, or atleast deeply intertwined history, and lastly the primitive but strong instinct to want to be among people who resemble you, even if it's just physically all come together and makes it completely reasonable to talk about white identity.

For fucks sake drop a random collection of white westerners taken from all over the west, italy, sweden, australia, russia and America etc in the middle of congo or any other non-western region, and they will find together.

You have to be seriously brainwashed to deny the existence of any kind of white identity (ironically probably the same people who complains about white privilege).
Can redditors and leftypol please leave now.

Where you from anyway?

Jock? Paddy? Sheep shagger?

Wow, Pan-Europeanism uniting the descendants of Western civilisation really frightens some people.

Interesting!

American detected

>Why do you want to?
banter

>You can admire their culture and adapt it but trying to link your ancestry to Troy is weak as fuck (fuck you Snorri Sturluson you fucking hack).
ackshooally the Irish are direct descendants of the rulers of Scythia, Phoenicia, Egypt and Spain. Also the Irish language is the perfect language constructed from the most beautiful fragments of all of the languages after the collapse of the tower of Babel
t. Seathrún Céitinn

>For fucks sake drop a random collection of white westerners taken from all over the west, italy, sweden, australia, russia and America etc in the middle of congo or any other non-western region, and they will find together.

And yet put them on the same continent and the north will destroy the south.

This is why soccer is so popular in europe.

Everybody kind of knows it's a crappy, boring sport, but it's not about the sport. It's about having an excuse to go battle the other cultures that you truly hate.

It frightens the Jew and the American mutt. Proud independent peoples are harder to trick and control than a monolithic blob of EU drones.

t. Chucky Burgerberg from Ohio

FUCK OFF EUROPE WE'RE ALL VOTING OUT

FUCK OFF EUROPE WE'RE ALL VOTING OUT

FUCK OFF EUROPE WE'RE ALL VOTING OUT

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_575bd566e4b041514369c5cb

> that pic

We get it. You want "European" to be a D&D race with all the skills you idealize.

Reality isn't a fucking basement dwelling R.L Stine-tier neckbeard game.

>Scots, Welsh and Irish are Celts.

There is seldom a greater satisfaction in life than BTFO'ing race science pseud's. I have a particular fetish for destroying little Celtic nationalists also.

>A DNA study of Britons has shown that genetically there is not a unique Celtic group of people in the UK.

Oh dear god, this is hilarious.

>According to the data, those of Celtic ancestry in Scotland and Cornwall are more similar to the English than they are to other Celtic groups.

Oh jesus, the Sassenach invader is closer related to Scots than the Irish or Welsh!

>"I had assumed at the very early stages of the project that there was going to be this uniform Celtic fringe extending from Cornwall through to Wales into Scotland. And this has very definitely not been the case," he told BBC News.

'NOT BEEN THE CASE', HE SAYS!

bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31905764

I'm a dirty fenian taig

Bro, I don't mind if you want a renaissance of european philosophy and classical art, fuck, even a return to christian values, but the label "white identity" has stormfaggotry written all over it.

Sounds southern Irish. Fuck off you dirty paddy cunt. Fuck the IRA.

I'm Euro.
Not an argument, same for any other group from families to civilizations, yet cucks don't deny all those exists (as long as it's not about Westerners, which is essentially equivalent to saying whites seeing as white means european in culture and origins and non-whites can never be properly western).

What are my fellow Veeky Forumsizens reading currently to preserve the knowledge, art and culture of our forebears?

Currently reading Iliad and Lolita myself.

A well-read whitey is a dangerous whitey.

>I'm Euro

Good, well behaved goy

greeks werent white you cuck

>He doesn't understand basic concepts such as Taxonomy

Fuck off American. How can you have American-Russian and Greek Heritage without being a mutt?

Race mixing is shit mixing

soccer is pleb as fuck

> dude, chase the ball!
> you can afford to play even if youre homeless!
> chase the ball again!

its for dogs

sure sure slugger

hint: All native European peoples = white(white is a obsolete cuck word anyway, European is what we go by)

>mfw an Anglo thinks "celt" is a genetic term, rather than a macro-ethnic one

That's why the rape-babies in Lloegyr will never be Celts

>I'm Euro.
i.e. a german

You are consistently the worst posters, I pray every day that Hiroshima will range ban all of you forever.

Americans are not European

Pan-europeans are cucks

don't kid yourself

no one wants to hang out with aussies in congo or anywhere

>i.e. a german
No, why would you think that?
Euro = short for european.
Anyway americans or swedes are the worst posters.