Anyone interested in starting an artistic/literary movement?

So seeing as there's some interest for this thread, let's get down to business.

We wouldn't be any kind of decent art movement without a manifesto, so what should we address?
I say we reject modernity outright. Not only is it ironic, being that we'll be composed of mostly millennial writers who meet on the internet, but it's a consistently patrician opinion and a clearly underexploited zeitgeist.

As well, we reject anything easy, anything plebian, and gaze at the masses of humanity with nothing but a smug repulsion. Only "high art" allowed in our art movement. We can also use this to take advantage of the constant race baiting in society, when we claim that not only are all races absolutely deplorable, but the entire base state of humanity is something to be despised, and that the few superhuman individuals (like ourselves, news papers will love this too) who pull themselves from their individual circumstances should form a new race and take over society.

As a third point, we embrace "memes". Not in the slovenly way they've leaked into the mainsteam, but as a serious point of discussion and artistic base, the same way a canvass and paint can be used as the base of a painting.

Feel free to reject any of these points, or propose your own, I'm just trying to get the neurons firing.

How do you respond to the critique that you only love fine art but also love memes as a platform? Memes are lowbrow.

>serious memes

I think China is a really good model to follow. Simon Leys wrote an amazing analysis about how Chinese aesthetics was more 'memetic' in nature and less rooted to physical objects, which was why they were okay with having buildings made of flimsier material compared to anything concrete like the architecture of Rome.

You can read the analysis here: chinaheritagequarterly.org/articles.php?searchterm=014_chineseAttitude.inc&issue=014

>Western visitors in China seem to have been irritated to the point of obsession with what came to be called "Chinese lies" or the "Chinese art of stage-setting and make-believe." Even intelligent and perceptive observers did not completely escape this trap; in a clever piece written a few years ago by a good scholar, I came across an anecdote which, I think, presents a much deeper bearing than the author himself may have realised: a great Buddhist monastery near Nanking was famous for its purity and orthodoxy. The monks were following a rule that conformed strictly to the original tradition of the Indian monasteries: whereas, in other Chinese monasteries, an evening meal is served, in this particular monastery, every evening the monks received only a bowl of tea. Foreign scholars who visited the monastery at the beginning of this century much admired the austerity of this custom. These visitors, however, were quite naive. If they had had the curiosity actually to look into the bowls of the monks, they would have found that what was served under the name of "tea" was in fact a fairly nourishing rice congee, similar in any respect to the food which is being provided at night in all other Chinese monasteries. Only in this particular monastery, out of respect for an ancient tradition, the rice congee was conventionally called "the bowl of tea."

>I wonder if, to some extent, Chinese tradition is not such a "bowl of tea," which under a most ancient, venerable and constant name can in fact contain all sorts of things, and finally, anything but tea. Its permanence is first and foremost a Permanence of Names, covering the endlessly changing and fluid nature of its actual contents.

I propose that the new movement should embrace Oriental memes to a greater extent, for these are the people who truly understand a culture made of memes.

See

Embrace the Chinese meme-culture.

Because we're ARTISTS GODDAMNIT and not just some gay ass dandy ((artist)) but the voice of our generation, so it would be silly not to use memes, but even sillier to not take our art seriously

Interesting idea. How would you propose we incorporate oriental memetics into our art?

Also, and this is an idea that's been floating around in my head for the last bit, but we should embrace intellectual dandyism. In the age of wikipedia and youtube, there's no reason why we should stick to the 'canon' when almost every single piece of art and fact of history is thrown at our feet. Instead, we should embrace the obscure, the obscene, and the obsolete. References and asides to, say, the debates of obscure youtubers we've found on the internet, or completely ignored historical instances happening in ignored time periods. A slap in the face of the education system that presents the "basic facts/outline" in a world of constant unadulterated and ahistorical information.

I like this idea. I was thinking some sort of nonsensical radical centrism would be a fun idea in these times. Does anyone have any ideas for names? Smuggists? Anarcho-monarchy? What values do we uphold? Or could hold Stirner to be a central meme?

To continue upon my thesis, I feel that rejecting modernity is indeed ironic, but not ironic enough. Especially since there already exists so many people who are turning to back to the classics and traditionalism, but are being labeled as merely 'traditionalists'.

But to be a truly revolutionary ironic traditionalist in current society requires us to go beyond just turning back to English and Western traditions. I suggest that we should embrace, fully, the tradition of another culture - and live this tradition as though we were traditionalists of that culture, although we are not. The Eastern traditions are a perfect fit for this, because Veeky Forums was initially born from there, and thus we are already placed on the boundaries of these two cultures. In order to prove our superhumanity, we must be able to show that we can embrace the traditionalism of a culture that is not our own tradition.

Thus I suggest that the members of this movement study Classical Chinese, Japanese, and Sanskrit in order to orient themselves away from current modernity, while reject the easy traditionalism of those who adhere to the Western classics. We should strive to continue the tradition of waka, tanka, haiku, noh, rakugo, shi, fu, the Vedas, the Sutras, and the related philosophies of the East. And we should not choose to 'play around' with it like an Ezra Pound or any other Sinologist out there, but treat ourselves as fully living every single aspect of the tradition, as though we were situated in that very time period of the past. Such an endeavour would be a master-stroke on the same level of a writer like Pierre Menard from Borges' tale.

Such a movement would establish ourselves as truly Patrician, mastering another culture while being situated within our own culture. We would be considered more Patrician than the traditionalists within that culture itself. This is the only way for us to be truly ironic in our current zeitgeist.

What is obsolete depends on what is within the culture in the first place. Very little people have heard of the Taiping Guangji because it remains a Chinese historical text that is mainly studied within the country itself, and it lacks a translation. And I heard from somewhere that 95% of Sanskrit texts still remain untranslated. To create a truly exclusionary Patrician movement would require us to plunder those texts that are not easy facets of our own culture.

While I get the point you're making, and on many levels agree with it, I feel like that would be a lot of work and overly specific, which will cripple us when we need to address the rapid changes of our rapidly changing society.

I do agree that we should pursue a multicultural patricianism, if for no other reason than that the internet is the first tool to truly allow humanity to do such a thing, but why just Asian culture? Why not embrace the golden age of Islam (not only offensive to the right wing, but also to the left narrative of "religion of peace") or Sikhism? Or Jewish mysticism? Or the Roman orgies? Or Russian Orthodox?

I feel like we should make a point of aggressive cultural appropriation and cosmopolitanism. All art, all culture, all history, should be nothing more but the rotting mass of garbage in which our new ideas can take root.

Also, any artistic movement needs a hero archetype. In a lot of ways, we've had this in imageboard culture for a long time, but I feel we should really make a point of re-affirming the smug NEET, feigning mental illness for NEETbux while exploring the truly deprived artistic heights of porn consumption and spending his overwhelming free time consuming high art, as our generation's heroically Patrician anti-hero

This thread is revolting

If you can read Sanskrit then please, for all means, translate those texts and use them to your own ends, but I'd rather focus on translating from languages i do speak than spending the next year of my productive energy learning Sanskrit.

This, I agree with, the act of appropriating all cultures, but I feel that there has to be a certain rigor involved to differentiate ourselves from those people who merely appropriate cultures for the sake of lowbrow postmodern play. After all, our current Literature is already filled to the brim with things like 'colonial literature' that try to mesh these things together - so what makes our Literature different from theirs? I require some extra input on this because I cannot think of any other way of distinguishing ourselves in a high manner other than following the rituals of another culture rigorously and to a key. Creating a multi-cultural art form like that would be like trying to create Herman Hesse's Glass Bead Game.

Another alternative is to create a new Literature in Ithkuil - one of the most complex conlanguages out there.

I feel that your NEET hero archetype is also slightly derivative of the 'aesthetic man' that was conceived during the Decadent movement, as displayed so wonderfully in Huysman's Au Rebours. That character fits your entire description perfectly, except that he isn't situated in the 21st century.

>Anyone interested in starting an artistic/literary movement?
I'm trying this:
Imagine writing what you want to read.
Imagine reading what you want to write.
I'm also trying to get to this:
Imagine thinking what you want to know.
Imagine knowing what you want to think.
I'm supposed to eventually get to this:
Imagine saying what you want to hear.
Imagine hearing what you want to say.

I think our hero should be an islamic futanari to show the transcending of gender and race

Actually, Au Rebours is where I've gotten a lot of my inspiration. I think that any modern art movement that truly wants to grapple with our time will have to reference Huysman to some extent. Hollebecque's figured this out too, mark my words. You're right that it's absolutely derivative of the decedent man, but that's because he's such a good archetype for our modern world.

Ithkuil is nothing but a meme language. There's so many real languages going extinct, if I was willing to go to that level I'd just learn a First Nations language and write in that, at least then it would be situated in such a historical context that it's very existence would make it important. Learning fake languages just seems like useless masturbation.

As for rigor, that's something in the eye of the beholder, whether or not our art is "high" will be for the history books to decide. That being said, some artistic traditions are obviously more patrician than others, and we should absolutely plunder them for our own ends.
And when I say plunder, I really mean it too. Why worry about placing things in their proper cultural, historical, etc. context when we live in a world of constantly flowing context-less information?
Although to refer back to our discussion on memes, aren't most memes simply taking a basic format (or in our case, we can steal the plot of famous stories) and adopting it to modern times? Think of Mishima's golden temple, which is constantly burned down then built up again in the same form but with different material.

I don't see why, assuming we can maintain some standard of quality, we shouldn't gleefully steal from any artistic tradition we want.

you're revolting

as long as he's also a fervent white nationalist libertarian

The hypertraditionalists
Post premodernists
The Young Stirnerians
The Patrician circle
The il/lit/eratti

OP, have you heard of/read any vorticist stuff?

>The il/lit/eratti

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

No.

A bit, I used to be a huge fan of futurism and dada myself but I don't know too much about Voticism.

Why?

This whole thing sounds pretty based, would be interested to see it all come together.

I want to become a meme writer, not professionally, but as an artist striving for perfection.

I want to craft the best green text stories and shitty fanfics as I possibly can.

This was my latest piece

How about constructing an entire encyclopedia of a meme world, taking Borges' Tlon Uqbar Orbius Tertius, or the Codex Seraphinianus as our guide? Except that rather than being a one off book or project, we can eventually expand it into works of Literature that makes reference to the world itself. But the main unifying thread is your NEET as a god figure.

The difference between this and conworlding though, is that there is no pressing need to create a consistent world, but merely using as much scholarly and imaginative fancy as possible to create as many entries as possible. That way, the content will always be different, but the world will always be a singular world.

Thought you might have read wyndham lewis or at least BLAST.

Solved it, now we can write anything:
Imagine hearing what you want to say
Imagine saying what you want to hear
Imagine reading what you want to write
Imagine writing what you want to read
Imagine knowing what you want to think
Imagine thinking what you want to know