Currently reading this for the first time, I'm about halfway through The Counterforce and I have no idea what the fuck is going on anymore.
In The Zone was 400 pages long but still coherent. Now I'm just in a constant state of confusion - what exactly do the Schwarzkommando want? Why are all the Hereros suddenly all good after 00000 is explained? Is Slothrop in some sort of catatonic insanity? What's Katje relationship with Blicero again? What's up with the story of the bulb and that 30 page long series of Slothrop flashbacks?
also katje was temporarily bliceros sex slave along with gottfried
Jeremiah Murphy
Slothrops one and only mission was to try and figure out a way to detect rockets, and to try and get remains for study. The 00000 is a mythical rocket that may or may not exist and is apparently the most technologically advanced. Slothrop is trying to get info on that. Unbeknownst to him, his paranoid idea that people are following him and want to make him go away are true.
Brayden Wright
Sorry to be thread hi-jacking, but I'm about 100 pages in and am considering buying a companion reader. Does anyone have any input on whether that'd be a good idea or should I just keep plowing through?
Basically is it better to fuck around with pacing or to get a better grasp of the book?
maybe if you could get a guide for cheap idk how much better it would be than those two
Jeremiah Edwards
OP here. Basically the first part is a pain in the ass because Pynchon has to set up like 20 plotlines in sub 200 pages. If you manage to push through, the second and third parts, like 70% of the book, is an absolute blast. I started off with a guide but it fucked with the pacing so much that I just kept reading and only looked up historical references and allusions that were central to the themes (Pynchon makes them fairly obvious because he usually dedicates entire episodes to these historical flashbacks) I am considering a re-read sometime later meticulously cross-referencing a companion - it's probably more rewarding that way.
Nicholas Hall
>What's up with the story of the bulb
distilled literary genius, do you even know who Byron was?
Justin Brown
I have no idea what is going on in the Counterforce
Slothrop in a pigsuit traversing the German countryside with a happy pig made me smile.
After finishing, one takeaway seems to be that shadowy industrial plastics corporations investing in latex; secret facilities employed to create a "superweapon"; elaborate actions across nations and industries; spy agencies and tortured intellectuals; all these pieces of an international conspiracy which at its core is just being used to setup a bizarre BDSM scene
Seems like a way of painting belief in conspiracies and meta-narratives to be ludicrous. What you discover as you pursue some perceived "plot" is so far removed from the original intent (even if a plot does exist, like the stalking of Slothrop, or the creation of the 00000)
GR seems so saturated because it presents so much to the reader, but I'm just a pleb.
"The bad guys won" and also "love won"
Ryan Bailey
>Seems like a way of painting belief in conspiracies and meta-narratives to be ludicrous
pynchon isnt for you, buddy
try zadie smith
Mason Bell
>a way of painting belief in conspiracies and meta-narratives to be ludicrous Nnnnnnnnnnno. Try the reverse.
Joshua Anderson
so there is a conspiracy that the author has constructed ( the existence, origins, and intentions of Blicero's rocket), whose purpose and premise is objectively ridiculous (strap a submissive boy sealed in fine latex into a rocket pointed at the audience, for an ultimate tongue-in-cheek climax) which presumably destroys the narrative itself (by blowing up the last page of the book)
This seems like a joke to me: thinking too hard about what "They" are up to (They as the author, They as the conspirators, They as the metanarrative's "evil empire")
it's hard to take the novel seriously, which is why I enjoyed it
Josiah Reyes
I am on my knees, please further explain this better, user, desu
Justin Collins
>Seems like a way of painting belief in conspiracies and meta-narratives to be ludicrous.
And also, how maybe the craving for sex/power is like a leading motivator in the powerfuls actons? Like in the end, its all about sex? All that stuff, mainly to be in a powerful enough position to have the type of sex you want whenever you want it?
Camden Hill
> you will never have a young virile German witch blind a voodoo doll of yourself with her used panties, preventing the climax of your buildungsroman quest of revenge against your half brother why even live?
Sex as the driving force behind all the actions of the novel, and trying to ascribe "rational" motives to what are, inevitably, deeds based on passion (especially the higher up you go) One of my friends believes the rocket signifies the sexual revolution that came after the war
Parker Hall
>so there is a conspiracy that the author has constructed > has constructed > constructed > the author constructed
no, try franzen maybe
Parker Ortiz
Pynchon often makes fun of overinterpretation in this and other books and he usually seasons a jolly spin on the paranoia but you shouldn't get reader's block on it, the whole novel isn't just a big wink
Angel Cook
To you guys asking about companions: the weisenberger annotations are really top notch.
Matthew Gutierrez
the story of the bulb is one of the best parts of the entire novel
Jack Ortiz
>do you even know who Byron was? I'd like to read GR, but I'm afraid I can't understand anything, especially the references and such that, as far as I understand, make the book such an enjoyable experience What would be required reading before diving into GR for a person who's new to anglo literature? Joyce? Byron? Vonnegut?
Cameron Morgan
yes you will need to read the complete works of byron the lightbulb before even thinking of approaching gravitys rainbow
Matthew Adams
Did anyone else get major comic book and Men's Adventure magazine vibes from GR?
>Dudes with psychic links to other people >Giant octopus snatching Katje on the beach >Slothrop's various alter egos
Daniel Morgan
And that bit near the end where Slothrop is literally a comic book hero with the three other whackos
Joshua Hill
we should do a book club of GR (maybe after the W&P one?) I've been wanting to read it soon
Luke Collins
major marvey gets his balls chopped off, slothrop dissolves into nothingness, the loli dies, roger and jessica never resolve their love affair, laszlo jamf might not exist, and the mystical part of the fabled rocket was just a compartment for a human to sit in. Blicero launched off his little twink and the Schwarzkommando leader is gonna do the same thing to himself.
never start a thread about a book you havent read
Liam Wood
It's only fun in retrospect. While your going through it you feel like your in a harrowing acid trip.
Adrian Harris
but what if that's what They want you to think
Owen Wright
I've been on those, i wouldn't say they are 'fun' but interesting nonetheless.
Mason Davis
This is incredibly true. I just finished it and it's way more fun thinking back about it than reading certain excerpts (that bit in the Counterforce where Slothrop has gone mental)
Evan Morris
>and the mystical part of the fabled rocket was just a compartment for a human to sit in. What did he mean by this? >Blicero launched off his little twink and the Schwarzkommando leader is gonna do the same thing to himself.
and this?
What are the theories on what those could metaphorically mean? Is he trying to say anything deeper, or is it simply: imagine a person on a rocket...crazy right?
Brayden Taylor
Been wanting to read up on some plastic man to prep for a re-reading of GR
Juan Ward
think of it like the last two episodes of evangelion
Hunter Bell
>Pynchon will never be interviewed by Charlie Rose
fuck this world
Carson Wilson
>implying it isn't all satire pointing out how academics tend to over analyze and over interpret literature by assigning nonexistent structures and meanings to things that don't require it
Justin Davis
I had no idea how bad I wanted this until now
Wyatt Taylor
The bi-plane pie dogfight...
Connor Bailey
Rose isn't an amazing interviewer but I want video evidence of Pynchon so I know he's real and not an elaborate ruse
Nathan Long
Nah, Rose is great, he really knows about the guests and is intelligent enough to make the conversation interesting