If capitalism is the real enemy, why does it seem like it's always leftists ruining literature and poetry...

If capitalism is the real enemy, why does it seem like it's always leftists ruining literature and poetry, with identity politics monomania and garbage like slam poetry?

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Because the left have become better at capitalism than the right.

don't ever be fooled. People are always always always the problem

Capitalism is not, nor has it ever been the real enemy.
Marx is the greatest Sci-fi author to ever have lived, and his LARPers are the most obnoxious to have ever attempted to seize power.

everyone who does slam poetry is a liberal

identity politics are a function of capital and are not leftist
identity politics are capital

Identity politics has nothing to do with Capitalism or Socialism. They just like to pretend to be leftists for some reason.

identity politics shmashmentity shmolotics

fuckin NAILED IT

Capitalism is just a by-product of will full ignorance

They are financed by (((capitalists))) to subvert the working class by drawing their attention to meaningless drivel instead of class divisions.

Capitalism is the only thing that allows you live of making art

found the ideology slave.

>liberals concerned with identity politics are leftist

best meme

As the unabomber sayeths, tis a powerplay on their part,
but the charge doth ruin the art

Because bad literature and slam poetry are not real social problems.

That's weird, because leftists seem to be trying to convince me that having the proper quotient of transwomyn/PoC in literature is the number one problem of our time.

capitalism is good because i can be rich without doing shit and not give a fuck about anyone else

i unironically believe this

then why doesn't everyone not do shit and become rich

because i was born into it u nigger

go back to fast food

Second post is also sometimes best post.

>inherit 50 million
>have manager invest it
>never work, shitpost on Veeky Forums all day
>dynamic ip so I can ban evade easy

I like to LARP as a landed gentry, as well.

laziness + learned helplessness

Capitalism itself isn't an enemy of the writer, the capitalist mindset IS however, because it causes you to go in with the intention of making loads of dosh and becoming famous, which hurts the end result of the product you put out, because it's a cash grab.

It also makes that first rejection letter (which you will get, everyone does, it's a rite of passage) sting a hell of a lot more than if you wrote the book because you wanted to write a book. I know several people who wrote books right after GoT came out, thinking they were gonna become super famous like GRRM and get a TV adaptation (one with the hope of banging and marrying Emilia Clarke, seriously) and when they got that first rejection letter they just shut down and gave up.

You can't go into it with the intention of getting rich.

>first rejection letter
This is simply the trial of the writer.
Those who can't handle 1, 10, or even 100 rejection letters are not true writers.
It is good that your friends were encouraged to find their true vocations.

I'm no really sure what the point of this thread is, but if you want a response, I think it's fair to say that the endless amount of marketable but intellectually stunted commercial lit drivel that makes up the majority of modern publishing is more damaging to literature than a few insular undergrads doing bad slam poetry.

Many leftists denounce identity politics. Leftism is a diverse and multifaceted thing. Regardless, one can hate slam poetry irrespective of one's political beliefs.

Btw your reasoning is fallacious. Just because leftists do stuff you dislike doesn't mean those on the right are correct.

Lastly, leftists aren't the ones ruining poetry and literature. Who on the left or right has written anything decent in the past fifty years or so? Pynchon certainly isn't a conservative.

this.

and OP, you are really dumb

nobody thinks Harry Potter has literary merit

we are all expected to believe that womyn POC tales are the height of literature

which part of are you resonding to?

>imfuckingplying
Literature remains one of the bastions of actual freedom of speech & freedom of expression. Vox fucking Day, author of shit like pic related, just released a Sea of Skulls last month and it's doing fine. Throne of Bones (the first book) is also no longer $450 hardcover so I'm going to grab that next time I got the cash.

In literature, you can make it as either the fattest librul with neon hair and pedo-glasses or as the palest, baldest motherfucker who actually thinks Trumpism should be an organized religion. Don't try to claim one side has overtaken it completely.

...nobody in literary journals or academia is trying to say that Vox Day's garbage has any merit. The same can't be said about Rupi Kaur types

>identity politics aren't leftist

Alright then tankies, what are they then?

>implying the right doesn't play the identity politics game

M8, how do you think Trump memed his way to presidency? By appealing to identity, not through the showing and display of merit.

Which such tales are we expected to believe that of? I agree that Morrison and Angelou are overrated, but the merits of some such writers, like Zora Neale Hurston and Frank Stanford, are plain and undeniable.

I know, I was referring specifically to the BLM/dyed hair/polyamorous style of anti-west IdPol.

>$450
Jesus Christ why?

how is it that people not get this

he won because dems think this is a good strategy

See, there you go. You're playing the identity politics game too.

>implying the right doesn't play the identity politics game

They didn't use to. But they've learned from the Left and started using it.

Friendly reminder that the best literature untill XXI century was made by leftist. They also produced the best philosophy.
>but muh dosto.
no

hmm kek

where do you lot get this a-historical bullshit from?

It started as a tit-for-tat game. Both sides incrementally increased the level to which identity politics was implemented. It went back and forth, neither side worse than the other.

What the left hadn't counted on was how far Veeky Forums and the right were willing to take it in response. They poked the hornet's nest without fully realizing the levels of depravity that the right is willing to reach just to prove to themselves that they will not be shamed. But the right also cut off their nose to spite their face.

>mfw China is a perfect example of this

Okay you got me there, my familiarity with academia only extends to historical journals.
Gamergate. No I'm not being funny.

At some point Vox got involved with the Gamergate fiasco (he's VERY against the whole SJW thing, one look at his bibliography will show you that) and somehow wound up becoming, not so much THE face but sort of a recognizable figurehead. He then spun the Gamergaters that followed him off into the Puppies which then tried to screw the Hugos (which lead to a series of rants from GRRM, or as Vox calls him; "George Rape Rape Martin"), and then convinced them to buy his book, which suddenly spiked up to around $300 and then that price. They bought it anyway "for da cause" so now everyone was only selling it for around that amount because people were retarded enough to buy it.

I like Roman themed fantasy but I'm not paying $400+ dollarydoos for a single fucking hardcover.

how dumb do you have to be to think China is any way left-wing?

It's not a-historical at all. When the Right was openly racist, guess what, Leftists were freedom-loving and non-authoritarian, and the Right had to acquiesce eventually because they are also at least in principle freedom-loving and non-authoritarian.

But these days the Left are the authoritarians and the race-baiters.

So do you honestly expect no reaction?

They're kinda leftist, kinda not. The term is used differently by different people. Are liberals leftists? I certainly don't think so. Most people involved in actual identity politics are liberals. It's a clever way of not having to address problems with economic policies that hurt the working class while still maintaining a semblance of progressivism. This is pretty much the entire strategy of the "Third Way", which liberals the world over have adopted wholesale.

Your lack of grasp on US political history is astounding

Not an argument retard.

amazing

>vox day
He cucked out, total fraud. Also
>vox day
Fuck off

m8, it was the left that was openly racist

good post

Capitalism is the real enemy, have you seen the state of art since The Fountain. Secondly, I doubt cinema will ever return to it's former glory

lrn2history m8

>"The Left aren't race-baiting scum I swear!"
>"We're just freedom-loving!"
>"We're for equality!"
>"The Right is lying!"

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What, so they just became 'secretly' racist instead? The fuck are you talking about? The right was openly racist right through the 1970s and 80s, and they hardly 'acquiesced' at any point.

The 'Left' (if you mean the Democratic Party) was also never freedom-loving and non-authoritarian. I don't know what you're talking about.

Seriously, read Wikipedia or something.

When you say the left... you mean the left hand?

>The 'Left' (if you mean the Democratic Party)

No, I mean the people who study Critical Race Theory at college, and think it is acceptable behavior to reduce every single problem in the world to the skin color of Europeans, and think that this isn't racist.

do you seriously expect any of these fuckwits to read up on history and left-wing discourse? It's fucking hard work, even for me.

>you can be racist against white people as white people

>muh reverse racism

Please stop viewing the spectrum as Capitalism = Right, Communism = Left.

Leftists ruin things because they reject hierarchy, beauty and the perennial. They place value on transgression and subversion which, ultimately, can only offer shallow shock value.

you can't be racist to white people because racism is a system of power + priviledge and white people as oppressors can't define the word racism as a oppressor can't define what oppression is

fuck off to /pol/ already

>it's a leftypol gets btfo episode
my fav
by the way this is not a literature thread, see you in 3 days bucko

>you can't be racist to white people because racism is a system of power + priviledge

Even if I agreed with that definition, only a minority of white people actually have any power in the world, so it's just wrong anyway, and it is racist.

>They place value on transgression and subversion which, ultimately, can only offer shallow shock value.

Beg to differ. The world has been irrevocably changed before of The Left. Social conservatism these days is almost pointless.

it's time to stop posting

another idot

>not a literature thread
Doesn't matter. It really is time we made politics the forefront of everything. Ghost has been saying that for ages and I'm finally getting around to following it.

Thanksgiving was uncomfortable as fuck by dragging the extended family through the grinder (drilled them on why they could support a Pizza lover like Hillary) but it was fucking necessary, man.

>only a minority of white people actually have any power in the world

your headcanon is doing a fine job

redpill me on why you are using the literature board for your proxy war

see

haha you alt-right virgins ironically get so fucking triggered when somebody corrects your fucking idiocy.

Are you snowflakes upset that you're not oppressed like poc are? aw.

tie the noose and kick the stool

I'm not alt-right at all, but go ahead fagtron. Poison the well all you want.

I'm not alt-right at all and I can't stand Donald Trump. I just think you're convoluting the very essence of racism.

>ghost is now followed unironically
/pol/ really hit the gas on the retard bus didn't they?

yes you are, it's just that you're too reluctant to align yourself with that shit

This is what the far-left has wrought. Now /pol/ is incapable of hitting the brakes.

>the very essence of racism.
which is pray tell?

you have been visited by the easily trolled ideologues
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Poor poor straight white males :'(

You're fucking racist. Accept it. The fact you don't agree with my definition of racism (which is the fucking academic accepted definition) just proves it.

Now go along and read your all white, straight, male canon of "great" literature, oh, and stop posting on this fucking board.

No I am not. But believe whatever it is you want to believe. I know it's easier for your pathetic mind to put everyone who disagrees with you in the same box, but that doesn't make it true.

Pure forms of either system are cancerous.
Art entirely created through capitalism is meant to sell, we see it a lot these days. It tries to be what sells, not what is skillful, enlightening or intelligent. This is more due to errant consumerism than anything. You might say this is better than the left alternative because what prevails is ultimately decided by the market, but its just as oppressive.
Communist art is meant to adhere to strict ideals of the state. What the state does not approve cannot be produced, so free production of art is suppressed and only art which adheres is allowed. This is why there is so much regurgitated garbage in leftist art circles, they produce work based on accepted principles in order to adhere.
You'll find that both systems are disastrous in their own ways.
And before any lefties say "But in perfect Communism, everything is free!!!". Read Utopia and you'll see what I mean. What is not conducive to the state and the order of society is not allowed.
This, in a lot of ways.
Incorrect. Both have aspects of identity politics. Its a natural progression.

Your shitposting doesn't work anymore. I'm not afraid of your accusations.

I'm not the racist, YOU are.

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>communism
>state

No I'm just trolling you for a bit of light entertainment

don't be dishonest

this this this thirty fucking thousand times this

the act, belief, or signifying of prejudice and bigotry towards another race seen as below the one expressing such sentiment.

>the academic accepted definition
Source? Besides, even that, too, is in flux and no true knowledge can be had of it. It has been convoluted beyond it's very essence which can be seen and understood and has been misinterpreted and redefined by those with an objective and lack of purity.

For you believe on faith, not seeing and knowing, you lend your beliefs to faith on man, which is by nature not altruistic.

enlighten me, what is left-wing economic policy.

Define "almost pointless".

globalization

Care to elaborate? Did you just dislike what I said or do you actually have a point as to why I am mistaken?

>globalization

>don't be dishonest

I'm not. The so-called alt-right are just retarded /pol/-children.