New Sincerity

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kek i see what you did

I have a Harley (no joke, legitimate fag here). And I almost turned it into a chopper. I wanted old school, I was obsessed with the early bike styles from Easy Rider and bullshit like that. But it hit me one day...do I care more about what people think than comfort on long rides? The biker community is so saturated with insincerity it's just mind blowing. How many guys trailer in 30,000 bikes to rallies and "play hillbilly" for a week before leaving and going back to being a doctor? But really, if it's what people like to do then who cares? The rallies I've been to always make me want to call people out before realizing that to them maybe I look like a walking cliche hippie faggot millennial who's avoiding reality as much as they are. Who can truly judge someone's sincerity? Long story short I decided to make the fucker comfortable and just enjoy life in 2017.

just be yourself

*30,000 dollar

Isn't the issue with irony more like, irony is the unexpected, but it's become so common that people expect it, so the very act of not being ironic is unexpected, and thus ironic? So you're ironic no matter what and attempting to escape it only adds more layers.

You realize it's just another stupid art movement, and like all movements and trends in the world it comes and then the next second it washes away.

I like your points, being honest and consistent is good as forms of self-regulation and emotional health/maturity, and requires a baseline level of self-awareness to achieve.

I don't mean it as a form of presentation like a persona, but sincerity is tied closely with expression in art forms too. The matter is how to discern if something like an artwork or book is being earnest for its own sake or being clever for its own sake, or something else, and for some other reason.

I'm starting to think it's not so much about black and white thinking, is this, isn't that, but about balance. Be serious, but not too serious. Be emotionally honest, but not too much.

Being too sincere can lead to stagnation too. The little voice of self-awareness can surely move you forward in any endeavour.

Has this sincerity/irony divide affected how we determine something as being good/funny/meaningful? I don't mean in the sense of how philosophers pick those words apart.

cynicism is so po-mo bro

>I don't mean it as a form of presentation like a persona, but sincerity is tied closely with expression in art forms too.
Yes, I meant presentation in the arts as well. Both work similarly. Take for example

>The matter is how to discern if something like an artwork or book is being earnest for its own sake or being clever for its own sake, or something else, and for some other reason.

I could take this as a test on sincerity. Were you being sincere when you said this, or is there a hidden meaning behind it? Similarly you can look as far back as Plato and wonder if he didn't write the third dialogue Philosopher because the two preceding dialogues Sophist and Statesman made a case that being a philosopher meant philosophizing, and the reader working through the first two dialogues meant the third was no longer needed. By the act of doing philosophy, they didn't need to be told what a philosopher is.

All of that, and you can just discard it. It is simply unknown. Plato may have planned to write the third dialogue and just never did. You can also look at a more favorable candidate like Machiavelli's The Prince and wonder what is actually well intended advice.

The major point is the problem of hidden meaning has been around for ages and it will never be solved because I can always question your intention, even when it is as mundane as a fairly straightforward Veeky Forums post.

A art movement concerned with sincerity, I would hope, would see this fairly obvious point. The game of rhetoric is never certain, but being sincere with oneself possibly is, therefore, you either have art that deals with the game of rhetoric and creates petty tragedy because of the conflation of not being understood and "sincerity", or nearly anything else ever written sincerely about whatever

Tarkovsky is the kind of new sincerity we should seek, not rupi-poo. It's quite worrying how we confound self-indulgence with sincerity.

I think you bring up a great point. But in today's day what is really enjoying anything? With so much of our lives broadcast by us or others into a permanent lexicon accessible to everyone we know, do we really do enjoy anything for ourselves truly? That's kinda the beauty of shitposting we can't tell anybody this(maybe you do, but I would be mortified if anybody knew I spent time here on a regular basis) so this can really be pleasure in and of itself self for itself.

in a crude way its a bittersweet soundtrack to people being aware about the world and the humor of alienation from it. were breaking centralizarion of thought in a rapid way so new sincerity is the stoner's 'what dude?' of culture.

I see it as a reaction to postmodernism, at least books like My Struggle: clean prose, simple vocabulary, no complex narrative strategies... A bit like punk after prog rock.

this might be a stupid thought (look at this kids sincerity) but here it is: foster wallaces approach to it is similar to kierkegaards leap of faith. As much as one would be incredulous that there exists such a thing as God, so too would one be incredulous to sincerity. As such, it is not so much to do with what sincerity is, or any arbitrators thereto, but rather the modus operandi of sincerity itself; that is to say, the act of faith is as vulnerable, valuable and human as any phantom object of "sincerity" could ever be. It's a return to arête

Ah so like a dialled back simplicity, lo-fi and low-brow sort of stuff. That's nice to see but can the message of a work be sincere while its execution have high production quality and technical merit?

ill ad hoc on: this is essentially the infinite jest. The infinite jest is the choice to live sincerely despite the entire idea being rhetorical, unable to be validated. One cant even describe what a sincere person would do day to day without hitting boundaries. But the act of faith, I'd say, is better than succumbing to the dregs of postmodern cynicism. Ugh, but now that i've put it into words it all seems grotesque

I agree, and sometimes I do feel that way about Veeky Forums. Not that it's my special club but it's something I enjoy that no one I know has any idea about. Maybe in that respect it's at least more sincere than other things in my life.

Well if you look at the themes dealt with in IJ, there are a bit of serious subject matter, likely things about the ways of life that DFW wished could change for the better, social commentaries, caring about the ways and states of the world. Maybe he saw in that time period, the coming generations, were really embracing irony and fluff more than anything, was afraid the coming generations novels would be nothing but masturbation and fart jokes. There is pure escapism pleasurable follyful entertainment, and there is serious, sincere, considerations for the complexities, potentially avoidable tragedies of some of the ways of life.

I think new sincerity would be wearing the shoes because you like them, without offering a defense or preface to yourself or others.

Interesting, not him but I really feel that. I also feel my Veeky Forums affinity is based in ethical reasons, primarily the freer exploration of ideas for their own sake lent by anonymity. It doesn't compromise my self-image as an ethical person but I wouldn't mention it out loud. Would new sincerity be speaking abt it honestly?