I'm falling in love I think but I can't shake my insecurities

R9K TIER NONSENSE

GET OUT FAGGOTS

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>she's had 3 abusive boyfriends
Just know she'll describe you as an abusive boyfriend as well when it is over.

I don't think so... first, OP is a fuckin' tool, and second, there are people who gravitate from abusive relationship to abusive relationship. Her dad was probably abusive.

Don't be a cuck.
She's just a random roastie.

how am I a tool?

Just don't fall into the trap of idolising her. She's a human with her own faults and you're a human with his own needs. You clearly think she's better than you but that is an incredibly unhealthy attitude in a relationship. Power in a relationship should always be in balance, and neither party should think of themself as subservient to the other, because that is a route that always leads to abuse in some form.

Why does the smoke look like Africa

Is this even real life

>bothering with non-virgins

Just because she's had other guys doesn't mean that she's trash, but it definitely detracts from her overall worth, especially if her old boyfriends were shitty people.

>but it definitely detracts from her overall worth

my man, you know you've fucked up when have these kind of thoughts.

a healthy person in his early 20's generally has had a few sexual partners. if you're the virgin one, you're the one with lower overall worth.

That's because you have no experience and are probably going to be clingy and don't know how to behave in a relationship. Obviously no one wants that, no matter the gender.

I suggest you could either go to /r9k/ if you want to continue like this, or fucking man up and improve your life. Your choice.

>But no stoic teachings can stop this

Reread them you faggot, stoicisim will free you from any feeling

>"man up" and take some roastie whore

no thanks

>if you're the virgin one, you're the one with lower overall worth.

yeah, but im a guy, so its different

A healthy MAN in HIS early 20's generally has had a few sexual partners. I have. A man's sexual worth is, in part, determined by how many women are attracted to him. A woman's sexual worth is, in part, determined by how selective she is with her intimate partners.

>Thinking that stoic virtue is attained by reading about it

But that means, mathematically, healthy men are overwhelmingly either fucking spinsters or "roasties."

Jesus, dude, you haven't even met her and she has this effect on you?

She'll destroy you, my man

You need to get your shit together before you even think about relationships.

>man up" and take some roastie whore
>Implying Girls who have had sex are whores by default

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Yes, of course. In classical societies, prostitution was acceptable. Men spent early years romancing valuable females, building wealth for their future family, and, in the meantime, satisfying sexual urges on low-value women.

Heul mehr ^_^

yes that's how normal people lived they didn't shagg whoever would settled for them in their tiny village, and 'building wealth' was always on their mind, not mere day to day survival

i feel you bro. if she ain't a virgin she ain't worth it

Then what the fuck is wrong with going for your "roasties?"

>degenerates
haha you deserve everything coming for you.

>It's the first girl who likes me for who I am
There's a good probability you're being duped. Don't get depressed when this doesn't pan out user

lol no healthy person in early 20s has had a few partners. that's such bullshit. most virgins in their 20s are the only sane people i know desu, even tho they might seem weird at first.

I think you mean outside the US. I can only think of one girl that I've had sex with that didn't suck me off first and she said it was only because she had a bad experience where this guy made her choke on his dick until she puked

Civilization is cyclical. We are currently in the high end of our civilization, in which the common man has loads of disposable income. You make the assumption that most of humanity has scraped by in any given time period for the past 10,000 years.

Nothing. This is me:Not this:Just don't put the pussy on the pedestal, and never marry a hoe unless you're a low value man.

>not having a qt virgin gf
bitter, my friend

>no healthy person in early 20s has had a few partners
What? Do you live Saudi Arabia? Qatar?

I've had a few and I'm far from healthy. Every thot I've been with, had a few and they were far from healthy. Hedonistic neo-Chads are far from healthy. Mentally healthy of course.

*the back end of the high part of our civilization

You have a virgin girlfriend? That's so cool

I suppose you can't take her virginity without her becoming a whore?

I can, but I'm obligated to stay with her forever then, so she doesn't become a whore.

Sometimes it works out.

My girlfriend has had sex with 4 dudes (including me) and a female. She's 20. Its all kinds of red flags at first, but she's really sane and compassionate. She's got her problems, but she genuinely loves me and I've seen her text her friends saying how I was better at sex than anyone else, so it doesn't matter who she fucked if I'm better at that point. She doesn't miss or have anything that she's not getting, so its not like she'll go back to a dude for something she doesn't want. (the con of having a girl whos fucked other dudes)

But yeah, if she's a virgin she's way more valuable.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Furs

>3 abusive boyfriends and she was young
Red flag. Forget her, man. More fish in the sea. Read something funny, or just a regular classic. You don't need self indulgent literature to fix teenage angst mate.

Life is hard, man

Oral sex is more trendy than ever among teens in northern Europe.

Just fuck her. Jesus Christ...

Yay, someone responded! I felt so proud about that shitpost but it seemed like it would end up ignored.
>in northern Europe
Do you have statistics or do you travel around a lot or is this a weird refugee reference or are you just countershitposting?

fuck other girls lmao

>A man's sexual worth
is determined by his experience and sex making skills

>A woman's sexual worth
is determined by her experience and sex making skills

I really hope you guys are baiting, otherwise this is pretty sad.

>yeah, but im a guy, so its different
Case 1
Jesus Christ. Do you really have no self-awareness?

>most virgins in their 20s are the only sane people i know desu
Case 2

I really don't get why you are romanticizing virgin girls so much. Have you ever been with a virgin girl? It's not an enjoyable experience, and most men will tell you the same. They don't know what to do in bed, it's really uncomfortable and cringy, it takes incredibly a lot of time to do anything, and most likely you won't get satisfied.

How many children can a woman bring into this world in a 9 month period? How many children can the average woman bring into the world over the course of her life?

You are cucked

Most thots are shit at sex too.

>believing a woman's stories about "abuse"

not going to make it

>insulting women

what does that have to do with anything? young people have protected sex.

white knight nu-male detected

not going to make it

Do you believe in evolution?

What's your point?

>never insult m'lady ever again

Do you not think that humans are driven by biological influences which were selected for through evolution?

I'm uncomfortable with idea of Pepe speaking

Keep in mind, I'm not the poster you asked the question to, but yes, I do.
Now make your point

>p-please don't disturb my safe space

you start to resemble another vocal minority from the internet which you hate so much.

Polygamous tendencies are desirable in male primates, and monogamous tendencies are desirable in female primates because of the particulars of our different means of reproduction.

I'm afraid there isn't much literature can help you: primarily you would just need to mentally mature. I could recommend you a book like Ulysses, in which a "cuck" is the great hero of the modern world, or some tract like Russell's Marriage and Morality, or a very good book in which the protagonist is a sexually active woman, but I'm afraid any of these would be lost on you. I certainly think that literature can improve people's lives (though ultimately I think that we exist for the sake of literature and not the other way around), but it cannot absolutely break down deep-set psychological roadblocks. Only "real" (though perhaps literature is the most real) experience outside of the study can do that.

>misusing the safe space meme
>wow triggered much
Don't drop your fedora on the way out

t. roastie mad that her value is low and blames others on not wanting a slut

Agreed, but that acknowledgement doesn't really change anything. The fact of the matter is that both men and women typically have many different sexual partners. This often does nothing to deter males from sexy time with a woman, biological influence or no. So your post doesn't really say anything about the world as it is

An appeal to nature is not always useful, because humans can subvert instinct

>fedora
>white-knight
>cuck
>nu-male

these are arguments on a literature board, ladies and gentlemen. You do realize your replies mean 0, right?

You have to be 18 years or older etc.

And actually, OP, if someone hasn't mentioned it already, perhaps you'd benefit by really closely reading Othello, which is certainly the best depiction in the language of what an excess of jealousy can bring. If any piece of writing can help you, it is that one.

That said, I have never studied this topic in depth, so I'm not really qualified to come to a hard conclusion.
Have you?

primates also throw feces at each other, why would you compare them with humans?

Actually you know what, knowing /r9k/ maybe you aren't that different from a primate after all.

My point is that high value males who have the ability to select from a large group of women prefer virginal women because of instinct. Women can do whatever they want. But the ones who don't out of self control are more valuable.

You talk like a redditor. Seriously, you're literally so cucked that you posted, and I quote
>>insulting women

>high value males who have the ability to select from a large group of women prefer virginal women because of instinct
And where do you gather this information from - how have you come to this conclusion?
Have you simply thought yourself into it, or is it based in fact?

I'm not from /r9k/. Good strawman, though. I like the way it actually attacks the meat of the argument in a meaningful way.

>yes, you need to be helped, read this book that will teach you that sluts are people too

I agree with you, user, but surely you can do better than the tired cuck meme. It litters the boards like trash, and you propagate it. I'm convinced that the majority of people that use these terms have come on Veeky Forums recently, and that does not sit well with my sekret club mentality

still talking like a redditor

t. cuck from reddit

I have thought myself into it. Because there is no data one way or another that supports either side of this argument. You have also thought yourself into your argument.

But the fact remains that among men who have taken the virginity of women, it is held as a symbol of status. This would seem to support my argument.

But that's because you did use insults in your arguments. Because of that reason, it completely nullifies them. You need to get outside once in a while. If you did, you would see that most people aren't that frustrated or sad that they need to constantly insult people.

>reddit
another good argument

it doesn't matter what I said, since you started with a bad analogy in the first place anyway. comparing humans with primates, really?

>don't insult m'lady ever again

not going to make it

I'm not comparing humans and primates. Humans are primates. For as long as I've been posting ITT, only one or two posts have had an actual argument.

>You have also thought yourself into your argument.
I don't really have a concrete argument. I'm just going with the conversation to gather some intel, you see
The only thing I have stated is that humans can subvert is biological programming - such as with suicide, which you would think would be trumped by survival instinct. Do you agree?

And if you had an IQ above room temperature, you might have realized that I had said that I was somewhat skeptical of that exact notion. And certainly, mei amice, sluts are rather more human than you are.

You're both Newt Gingrichs, It appears. You should lurk more

Yes, of course I agree that instinct can be subverted. My argument was based on healthy individuals who follow instinct rather than the unhealthy ones.

I don't know, man. I think that instinct in men to procreate is stronger than the need to to it with a virgin. If I am right, that would mean that people who seek only virgins are the unhealthy ones.

Alas, this is only speculation