I found out that I have number form synesthesia the other week...

I found out that I have number form synesthesia the other week. This was kind of a mind fuck as I thought everyone perceived numbers the same way I did.

Does anyone on here also have it and have any experiences to share? Can I use it somehow?

>pic related
If you don't know what it is:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_form

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_number
trikeshed.org/maths/number_form.html
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_form
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_synesthesia#Richard_Feynman
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

>number form synesthesia
omg I just realised I have text-only ASCII email synesthesia

You're not just going to sit there and not talk about how your perception of numbers is different from others, right?

I guess not.

I'm not entirely sure where exactly I differ from a regular person. As far as I understand most people just see numbers as its written. 11 is larger than 5 simply because they've learned the decimal system. If this is wrong please tell me.

I will, on the other hand see them in a number line like in the OP pic and I can clearly tell that 11 comes after 5. Like I said in the OP I thought everyone saw things like this until recently.

Also, if I think about the current date I see an image of the year like this. (Summer is on the bottom though and Spring is to the left). Same goes for weeks, days, hours etc. who all have distinct shapes.

>11 is larger than 5 simply because they've learned the decimal system. If this is wrong please tell me.

I don't know. Some number simply intuitively feel larger and smaller than other numbers, depending on what they're being compared to. I don't imagine a decimal system or a number line. It's either based on concrete memory of practical objects or an abstraction that uses the rules of what you can observe with simple objects. I don't know if that's an elaborate description of how I think, but wow if you can visualize a number line, that's pretty cool.

OP, have you heard of surreal numbers and if so, do you visualize them like the Wikipedia page does?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_number

If not, then what about cardinal numbers / ordinal numbers at least? What happens when you start getting to the "various sizes of infinity"?

> It's either based on concrete memory of practical objects or an abstraction that uses the rules of what you can observe with simple objects.
I'm not sure what this means, could you give an example? It seems very complicated.

For me the images just appear, I don't have to do anything actively. I've started to understand why people hate math so much in school.

I've never heard of surreal numbers so idk. They kind of look like binary trees.

There's no difference between cardinal and ordinal numbers to me. I see infinities as blobs of different sizes, they break my scale.

You learn that some piles of things are bigger than other piles of things as a kid. Then you learn that you can use simple numbers to represent how one pile of thing is bigger than other piles of things, earning your first level of abstraction. This works well for a while, since the world is your training wheels, but then you need to figure out how to imagine numbers that are too large, small, or irregular to find mirrors in everyday life. This is the second level of abstraction that you eventually master after elementary school, simply taking the logical foundations found in the first abstraction and running with them in territory outside of what you would normally find in the real world.

On another note, maybe I've internalized the decimal system in a way that isn't obvious. But I don't know. A million feels bigger than 1530 in a way that doesn't need me to visualize a number line, though I easily could if I wanted to.

It's a neat trick I guess but I don't see how it has anything to do with hating math. I may have a kind of synesthesia too because I see numbers and smells as colors, but I'm not sure because I can make it work the opposite way (smelling a color or associating numbers to colors)

Thank you. I do this to some extent but I always have the number line for reference.

Sorry, I expressed myself badly. I meant that since math, esp simple math is very intuitive to me I never previously fully understood why people, in general, don't like it. But now I know I have a slightly different perception of numbers.

Up until now, all that you said that was intuitive to you was just how some numbers are bigger than others. Everybody else is going to have a feeling for that too even if they don't see a number line. If they don't like math it's totally not because of that.

Isn't the usual way of comparing numbers along the lines of:
1 to 10 - You know them by heart (combined with/learned from fingers and thumbs)
11 to 99 - if you hear, say, sixty-something you know that's less than eighty-something because six is less than eight. Teens, twenties, thirties are a bit more specialised since they don't start with a digit name.
100 to 999 - Bigger than previous because you've got 'x hundred AND' first. Again, you know how to order the x's already.
After this you just learn it goes hundreds, thousands, combinations of these, then millions...
So it is imagining the decimal system.

>I see numbers and smells as colors

One time as a child this happened to me. Weirdest thing I ever experienced. I smelled a stink bug and it smelled green. Freaked me right the hell out. Must have been a temporary brain spasm because it never happened again, but at least I know what you mean.

Why isn't anyone talking about how op is desperately trying to be a special snowflake with his new found "abnormality"

So you give numbers a sort of spatial location?

Are n.5 numbers placed equally spaced between integers (for instance does 3.5 appear at the midpoint between 3 and 4)?

Do primes have any special placement?

Do operations like multiplication, division, addition, subtraction, exponentiation, etc.. have a spatial representation as well?

Do these spatial locations all fall along a continuous number line (like in the picture) or are there disconnected areas or weird jumps?

Is the act of counting like moving along a number line spatially?

Does this aid your memory?

Are there any weird things you've noticed now that you're more aware this is unusual?

Are there any things that you feel are easier for you than they may be for others because of this?

I "visualize" numbers with a straight number line, as you would see in a graph.

Is that synesthesia?

Not OP but synesthesia is what happens when different areas of your brain connect to each other and produce weird phenomena.

Stuff like sounds having taste, written letters/numbers having color, smells having textures, etc.. It's uncommon and happens a little differently for each person who experiences it.

For some things there are tests too. Like people who associate colors to letters/numbers may be shown a page full of S's and 5's and they'll immediately be able to identify all of the 5's because they'll be a different color (normal people would have to spend time searching for them).

I think "visualizing" a straight line of numbers is fairly normal. I imagine OP probably "visualizes" straight line of numbers as well but internally "feels" like they have a position on a mental spatial map.

I'm trying to do the opposite. I wanted to make the thread so I could get some insight from other people. Just trying to be as honest as possible.

I think thats unlikely but possible. No one I've talked to has ever heard of it or experienced anything similar. I wanted to hear from other people who have it but it doesn't seem like anyone's turned up. Is there another board where they would know more?

Thank you for these questions, I had to think pretty hard about them.

>So you give numbers a sort of spatial location?
Kind of, it depending on the scale of the numbers. If I have 3 and 5 I will see maybe 0 to 10 on the line. If it's 3 and 5,000,000 it will "zoom out". I don't think I could draw an exact replica of it.

>Are n.5 numbers placed equally spaced between integers (for instance does 3.5 appear at the midpoint between 3 and 4)?
Yes but then the scale usually changes to being much smaller. 3.5 would appear on a scale from 1 to 5 or something like that.

>Do primes have any special placement?
No, but I love primes.

>Do operations like multiplication, division, addition, subtraction, exponentiation, etc.. have a spatial representation as well?
No, but it aids doing these operations in my head. I can see if my answer is reasonable.

>Is the act of counting like moving along a number line spatially?
No it does not. And come to think of it, I count things wrong quite frequently.

>Does this aid your memory?
I’m good at remembering dates and years for when movies were released and stuff like that. I can sort of ”see them” on my image of the 1900’s. They’re not always there but if I think about them I’m usually never off by more than 2 years. Same goes for historical events and such. I also usually never forget to finish deadlines because I can ”see” how long I have left.

cont'd

>Are there any weird things you've noticed now that you're more aware this is unusual?
I’ve never used calendars and I think I have a different perception of time because I see myself inside different spans of time. I’ve never understood when people complain that a day goes by slow or ”It’s already April!” or something like that.

>Are there any things that you feel are easier for you than they may be for others because of this?
Mostly I think the time perception thing. It probably helped when learning the multiplication tables and such and it’s just very integral to how I perceive numbers but I can’t say that I have any savant-like abilities. I’m an average student doing comp-sci.

Motherfucker, this does not sound like synesthesia at all. It literally sounds like you just have a basic intuition for numbers on a number line.

FUCK YOU FOR MAKING THIS THREAD AND WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME!!!

That's possible. What specifically makes you think I do not have synesthesia?

Because you have not described synesthesia. You've just said that 100 and 200 feel about the same in relation to each other as 10 and 20.

>Just like in hearing-touch synesthesia, research suggests that it is a result of cross activation between the region of the parietal lobe that deals with spatial cognition and numerical cognition. People with this condition claim to have mental pictures of patterns of numbers. These numbers can be dates, postal codes, street addresses, phone numbers, and bank account numbers and so on.

>For example, someone can see a number line running from 0 to 9. When it reaches nine, the number line is expanded in any direction and counts in reverse or in a particular pattern, says odds or evens. A mental map of dates can range from BCs ( 1000BC ) to infinity, it could show dates in their correct order or following a particular pattern. Some experience their number forms with hundreds of phone numbers that keep coming into their memory.

Here is someone who is not a poser (like OP) describing their number-form synesthesia.

trikeshed.org/maths/number_form.html

Do you guys ever feel like you're pulling numbers out of the void?

For instance, you're asked the population of rockford. You can't visualize the last time you saw the population but something about it just feels like its population is 110k.

Also, when visualizing numbers in string/language creation did you guys ever visualize a floating/cloud/swirl of random numbers when you were visualizing the kleene star of an alphabet? Visualizing {0,1}* 1* is a cloud of glowing numbers and then a string of white ones for me.

I don't think I have that condition, but out of curiosity how does everyone visualize numbers? When I do common daily maths I sort of feel the numbers fitting inside each other, ie there are 6 25s inside 160, so I just sort of hold the concept of 25 and the concept of 160 and push them in or pull them out and then a little bit of space is left over, obviously 10 in this case but in other cases I'll ballpark it by imagining that leftover space as a part of one of the other references, like 10 is "a bit less than half" of 25 so I'd throw a .3 out there or something.

I imagine the way people visualize/feel numbers is significant in the way their mathematical ability works. I was pretty shit in school after a certain level because I didn't really write the detailed steps of how an answer was achieved, I just made intuitive leaps. That led to poor scores and I never ended up taking the really advanced maths in college. Lately I've been making myself do all math manually and I'm pretty decent at it. I think there's a thing out there on how the Chinese kids using abacus end up visualizing math different and thus perform better on average, and then something something common core but that was all after my schooling and I never looked into what it's all about.

Are you jealous? Why would somebody lie about this

I amI feel the same way about numbers fitting in others with a little room. I dont remotely visualize this though. It might just be the product of quick efficient arithmatic

What I see in my mind is not entirely unlike this. I'll try to draw it.

I can clearly see all four of those numbers on my line.

Even if I don't have synesthesia (I frankly don't care if I actually do) I think it's weird that no one I've talked to recognizes what I'm talking about.

How do you guys percieve time? Like from the year 0 up until now? and how do you picture a year?

I guess future or past thinking becomes grey/sepia like

Maybe this isn't very interesting but whatever.

I just realised that I'd always thought of these lines as different ones because I looked at them from different angles depending on what kind of numbers I was thinking of. But they all actually have the same shape. Damn

Like in a movie? What are you talking about?

>Like people who associate colors to letters/numbers may be shown a page full of S's and 5's and they'll immediately be able to identify all of the 5's because they'll be a different color (normal people would have to spend time searching for them).
Now there's a falsifiable hypothesis! I've generated a random list of 50 one-digit numbers:

3 0 6 3 8
9 6 9 5 8
5 7 8 3 6
9 4 2 1 6
8 8 0 8 0
7 6 1 1 5
4 6 2 8 6
9 1 7 0 2
5 3 7 1 4
4 8 1 4 2

Now I don't have this synesthesia so I just see this as a grid of symbols. I suppose OP, if he is a genuine synthesthesiac, would be able to see the induced topology and thus identify local extrema (i.e. "hills" or "valleys") more quickly than the average person.

I can kind of see a topology but.. I dont see what it has to do with my number map, like, at all. If this is an actual test then I guess I don't have it.

>If this is an actual test
It's not, since I just made up the experimental design on the spot. Would have been nice if it worked though.

My personal understanding of "number" is synonymous with "quantity", and since quantity is an abstract concept, numbers will be abstract as well. I can choose to perceive quantity in many ways (e.g., the size of a bag filled with a certain number of apples, the length of a certain number of sticks laid end-to-end, the time taken for a certain amount of radioactive material to decay) but these are all concrete representations of numbers, rather than the numbers themselves. (Concrete != abstract)

Some people have a strong preference for a particular representation, to the extent that they ONLY perceive numbers one way with the other ways feeling highly artificial. It makes no essential difference if you choose to do so or not (nor does it matter which representation you choose, if you do) since all representations are equivalent.
Nonetheless, I personally prefer to remain agnostic since I feel that getting "locked in" inhibits my mathematical creativity, though this often leads to my being too distracted to actually [math]do[/math] mathematics.

What do you mean by agnostic exactly? Do you vary the representations consciously?

What happens in your mind when you have to solve something like 143 + 312 = x ? Do you "need" a representation to picture the problem?

sure feels like a scientific thread in here.

>What do you mean by agnostic exactly? Do you vary the representations consciously?
Yes, in a way that depends on the presentation of the problem at hand (see below).

>What happens in your mind when you have to solve something like 143 + 312 = x ? Do you "need" a representation to picture the problem?
I played with an abacus/soroban when I was younger, so my mental image is a series of beads sliding around.

But that's only when the problem is explicitly presented as an arithmetic calculation, like you have here. If it was presented as a word problem like
>Alice has 143 apples, Bob has 312 apples, how many apples do they have altogether?
Then my mental image is no longer an abacus but of two people, each with a bag of apples, emptying their respective bags onto the ground in front of them.

If the same problem was presented in another way, like
>Task A takes 143 seconds to complete. Task B, which can only be done after Task A is completed, takes 312 seconds. How long does it take to complete both tasks?
or
>Alice lives 143m down the road from me, and Bob lives 312m further from Alice. What's the distance between Bob's house and mine?
then my mental image would be very different.

That's fascinating. Do you think that is common practice? What if people didn't use an abacus?

>Do you think that is common practice? What if people didn't use an abacus?
Most people don't uses abacuses (abacii?) so it's highly unlikely they see things that way. If I had to guess, I'd wager that math teachers make various attempts to explain concepts to them, using analogies and mental models, and they simply adopt the one that sticks with them the best.

If you're referring to my numerical agnostism, it's probably not uncommon in people who are passionate about math and are comfortable with abstract thinking, though I'd be surprised if many non-STEM layman turned out to think that way as well. Of course this is merely speculation on my part since I seldom pry into how other people perceive numbers, being agnostic and all.

Did your mum abuse you as child?
He posted the Wikipedia link that describes it.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_form
Get over it retard.

wow, that's fucking weird. when i just picture a generic collection of "numbers" they appear as an upside-down triangle. never even noticed this or tried it before.

If I'm lying down and trying to sleep, loud noises cause flashes or television static.
Who else?

I have this weird thing where I think of numbers as having personalities, which are usually tied in with their mathematical properties, e.g. the prime are wise and mystical, or it's like I think of all the multiples of 3 as a gang with 3 as the gangleader with 6 and 9 like his advisors. 2 and the evens are generally laid-back and chill, easy going, with the powers of 2 especially. As numbers get bigger they get more strange, esoteric, and mysterious. Anyone else experience stuff like this?

Everyone does this...? It's obvious that numbers are arranged by order of magnitude

I my case numbers have no arrangement in my head and any inequality is obvious. Sometimes when I write them down they remind me of vague people and this have a personality but not directly.

Yeah when I say "visualize" there isn't actually a picture in my mind, not anything with a visual parallel. The numbers clearly have form in the mind, but the form is some non-visual abstract thing, having properties like "size" without "appearance".

Actually when people say they replay events in their head, idk if that's visual or not for anyone. I have a very active imagination and 'picture' things a lot, but I never actually *SEE* the images so much as run the lower-level driver shit that your brain does after actually processing the sensory input. I assume that's how everyone is, right? It's the reaction to assumed sensory input, not full on simulation of the sensory input itself, ya?

this is hilarious, i love it

I can visualize but I see the image very vaguely in my mind's eye, without actually seeing like I do with any external object.

Mind you visualization stands on a spectrum. Some people have full blown closed eye hallucinations when they visualize.

I got more for you if you want it. 7 is like really quiet and weird and 0 is also quiet but like secretly very wise and powerful. I read that's a certain type of synesthesia, seeing numbers with personalities. Also sometimes when I look at a number in a mathematical context I kind of see it's prime decomposition superimposed over it, like 2 squared is overlayed over 4. One time when I was really tired and studying for my physics final I started seeing the formulas in the air in front of me, like it was physically there in front me.

>synesthesia

I have an auditory-visual one. Rarely, it is pain-visual. It only happens when there's pretty much silence then a sudden loud sound happens. Sometimes the sound can be the start of someone talking. It lasts for a split second and looks like anything from static-snow on an old TV not tuned to a station to stuff that is similar to fireworks. It is always 2D and may cover all or a portion of my vision. It is better seen with my eyes closed.

What you show in that pic just looks like how you would visualize numbers in your mind and not synesthesia. Now if you saw every "7" as being red regardless of its actual color then that would be a form of synesthesia.

My mental system of visualizing numbers is like this image. Which has nothing to do with synesthesia.

Just saw this after posting Yes, it is usually when trying to sleep.

What the fuck man? Just like you, I see seasons just like that. Different places in my childhood home yard represent different seasons, and those places happen to be in circle

Speaking on that last point, I once did a wierdo experiment where I tried to really learn that memory pegging system.

Ya know 1 = tie, 2 = Boat.. up to 9. and then encoding numerical data in your mind as sequences of images.

The odd side effect, is the images connect in weird.

For instance, if your encoding day/month/year type data... remembering one day... triggers memeories fo all other days, in all other months of all other years.

For instance if I remembered Pearl harbour occured on december 7. (7 being represented as a shoe..) then I would also immediately recall other 'shoes' in the 'day scale'.. and be able to tell that on 7th of dec 1993, long island had a rail road shooting, and on the same date in 1987 there is a plane crash near california.

I dont have any special memory, just a lot of memory training but it impressed the fuck out of everyone I showed it to. I'm sure there's something more useful you can do with this than trivial date recall party tricks.

Any ideas?

It's a different kind of synesthesia apparently, read the Wikipedia article. Also, please explain that system, I don't get it.

I don't see them exactly like that, it's just a circle with the names of the months in it. Do you find it useful though?

Maybe if you're doing a presentation or a debate it could be good certain things memorized. If you've ever seen Ben Shapiro debate he'll pull out dates of verdicts along with the names of the judges and defendants and stuff. It's very impressive.

ooc how much time did you have to spend to do that?

I remember long words and complex ideas based on their "colors" and locations on a page or something, it's helped me remember and digest tons of information before. I fucking love it.

Also, I can directly measure my interest in a subject based on how colorful the words and diagrams appear.

That sounds amazing

How do you perceive the colors if the lettering is actually colored?

there's no such thing as synesthesia and anyone who thinks they have it is literally just a retarded snowflake who thinks that they are the only person with an imagination, where, really, everyone else experiences things the exact same way, they just don't make a big fucking deal about it.

>What you show in that pic just looks like how you would visualize numbers in your mind and not synesthesia.
This is false.
>Now if you saw every "7" as being red regardless of its actual color then that would be a form of synesthesia.
This too is patently false.

Whoa what a brainlet.

you literally accepted on some losers word that they have magical, explainable experiences. if you'll believe in this hokum, you'll believe anything.

There's nothing magical about these experiences. I have some (with uncanny similarity the TV static one) while lack others. Our brains are wired differently.

'our brains are wired differently' that's about as vague pop-sci as it gets.

there are no special experiences. just especially retarded people and especially gullible people.

synesthesia is a hoax.

>Also, please explain that system, I don't get it.

It is 1 through 64. Strings of numbers are divided and grouped 1 through 64. Like 4569 would be 45 6 9 and 15120 would be 15 1 20 and 6465189 would be 64 6 51 8 9. All those are represented in those symbols instead of in numbers.

People to that with tell dyslexia.

dyslexia is a specific kind of retardation.

i specifically evinced a strong belief in the existence of retardation.

Got you!

You just said Dyslexia is real because it is a form of retardation. Ergo, you just said Synesthesia is real because it is a form of retardation. Your statement of "synesthesia is a hoax" has been rendered incorrect by your own logic.

what i said was that synesthesia is MADE UP by people with retardation (where they think no one could possibly experience what they experience.)

its probably the same kind of retardation that people have when they think god is talking to them because they hear voices in their head just like everyone else.

It is no more a thing than people born with freckles.

>Maybe if you're doing a presentation or a debate it could be good certain things memorized. If you've ever seen Ben Shapiro debate he'll pull out dates of verdicts along with the names of the judges and defendants and stuff. It's very impressive.

ooc how much time did you have to spend to do that?

Couple of weeks, with maybe 20 minutes a day, to memorise the number-image relationship.

Once you have the 'key' memorised well enoguh that you can recall it without effort, encoding new data can be done in like a minute.

What you hear that Hitler April 30 1945 hitler commits suicide in his bunker?

Okay, 30 is mace, April is 4 which is rye (bread), and 1945 is .. 19 is a bathtub, 45 is a railroad.

In order from largest to smallest (D/M/Y)

There's a giant railroad, upon which a bathtub is riding along. In the bathtub is mounds of bread, one of which a tiny hitler is sitting there beating himself to death with a mace.


This sticks in your mind,and immediately recalls.. what else bathtubs are there? What else railroads? and you can generally recall any day/month/year event that occured in the same year, month or day, in any other year month or day.

But I think the applications for this go way beyond just date recall. Perhaps into chemistry and the periodic table?

Maybe somehow pegging key numbers into images that can be used to do mental math fast.

>they hear voices in their head just like everyone else.

(Y/M/D) sry. derp.

>They kind of look like binary trees.
lmao fuck

>Synesthesia experiences are made up.
>I hear voices in my head.
Get checked m8.

so i suppose you've never thought before you spoke

or had internal dialogue

or remembered anyone talking

or memorized poems/speeches/lines etc

or tried to figure out what someone meant by thinking about what they said

and i guess that you don't consider your next sentence or paragraph when writing papers

Hearing voices means hallucinating.
A situation in which the voice you hear in your head when remembering someone talking can be indistinguishable from the voice coming from an external source.
I can replay with great detail in my head a phase just pronounced by someone, but in now way I perceive it like an external stimuli.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination

>now
no

Also I'll add that I experience hearing voices sometimes when falling asleep, which is very common.
See hypnagogic hallucinations.

>he actually believes that 'crazy people somehow hear voices like it's actually with their ears, in their head' rather than just hearing voices in their head like everyone else and being too stupid to distuignuish between hearing voices in thought and hearing voices for real

craziness is just another word for stupidity, user.

Holy fuck you're dense.
How old are you if I may ask and what is your background?

you've already made up your mind, you don't need my participation to think the things you're thinking now.

ITT people claiming to hallucinate are lying.
Get a load of this faggot.

>"When I see equations, I see the letters in colors – I don't know why. As I'm talking, I see vague pictures of Bessel functions from Jahnke and Emde's book, with light-tan j's, slightly violet-bluish n's, and dark brown x's flying around. And I wonder what the hell it must look like to the students."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_synesthesia#Richard_Feynman

that has been my experience. they're lying, or unable to express their thoughts in any rational way.

Spoken like someone who's never experienced one at least.

>that has been my experience.
lmao

Is this board always this easy to bait?

Hmmmm, I have the same stuff, months have shapes for me and each number can be ascribed it's own "quality" pour example, colors, size, temperature, etc,. For example, 11 is cold and light blue, 13 is green and larger than blue but has no temperature, to me, it feels humid, but not enough for it to be definite.

13 is already red, sorry

>lelelelel I trolled you lmau xD

Fuck off, 5 is red. What's your blue and green?

Get out of here, brainlets. I want to grapple with the real questions.

What colour are subatomic particles?

Electrons are steel grey, protons are red, neutrons are grey-green, neutrinos are jet black but wispy with smoke, and muons are silvery-gold.

Fuck off, electrons blue protons red neutrons gr"A"y- white. Exactly like the science models in my classroom

5 is blue
green is table

>5 is blue
Exactly

Bump

Electrons yellow, protons blue, neutrons red. How is this a question?

What colors are the elements?
Hydrogen is orange/yellow,
helium is red,
lithium is green,
beryllium is blue,
boron is blue,
carbon is charcoal,
nitrogen is red,
oxygen is white,
flouride is orange,
neon is pink,
sodium is red,
magnessium is light grey,
aluminum is light silver,
silicone is dark silver,
sulfar is red,
phosphorous is light blue,
clorine is seafoam green,
argon is dark orange.

cucks

good job, you not a nog goblin.

welcome to intelligent civilization.

I honestly believe that anyone half way intelligent thinks like this, just not many realize it

Draw some diagrams, OP.

Yawn its nothing faggot. Anyone can visualize a number line. I can also do functions or whatever in 2 and 3 dimensions. 4 dimensions is harder but possible, I haven't had any practice other than complex analysis. Probably anyone who isn't a dumbass can do 2-3. Anyone smart enough to go to a decent school can probably do 4.

What are you rambling about you crackhead.