Is there really anything wrong with american education?

is there really anything wrong with american education?

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Not to sound like /pol/ but white and asians are doing fine. It's the other groups that fail big time. Colleges have to offer remedial classes which teach elementary algebra.

Is she erasing instructions on how to use a calculator?

Honestly it's not even a /pol/ thing to say. People need to accept the fact that there are biological differences between people.

For the most part, it's babysitting with forced "learning." It's just a continuation of the rat race but for kids.
Children don't learn at the same rate and they don't have the same interests. Instead they're expected to progress at the same rate and then measured against their peers and made to feel better or worse. There is no real attempt to let children progress at their own rate with their own motivation and discipline. This just continues for years until some kids are doing okay and everybody else is basically a retard who was pushed too far too soon. This is without considering the problems of shitty parents and life for these students. Teachers don't have any real ability to help or discipline students either. It's all about making the students look good on paper. No one cares about what the student is interested in as they are there to follow a set curriculum and not spend too much time on their passion.
In general, most kids are inquisitive, like learning new things, and will decide to catch up to their peers if they feel like they are being left behind (kids don't like being the one left out because they can't read, play, etc.). School on the other hand kills children's minds. It's just a way to weed out who will be better at jumping through hoops once they are able to get a job.
As far as higher education is concerned, there are too many people who shouldn't be there. It's not that most of them are even incapable but rather that their previous education was so substandard that they're going to get stuck on the basics or just barely keeping up instead of progressing further. No where is this more obvious than in any field that requires some college level math without even considering proof-based mathematics. You can see the students struggling because of their poor grasp of this subject. Lectures are okay but more practical experience tends to be left up to the student, which is okay for some fields but not others.

it's sql basics, moron
I'd optimize inner joins and dml inserts with her all night long.

I don't know about other nations but in the US everything from High School down teachers are on your ass to do things. In college they treat you as if you are an adult and can do shit on your own (though they still look down at you unlike how an adult would treat another adult).

not if you're an ass man

I'm not an asses guy but holy shit, I'd take her class 3 semesters in a row after which an NBC containment team would have to come and take care of my desk

That's not American. Look at the power plugs.

in general american education is perfectly fine only two issues really:
1.) the gap in actual education between schools of the same format (e.g. highschool) is too large
2.) ridiculous tuition fees for higher education is a bad thing
I majored in economics myself so please dont give me the "muh free market" speech. if you want to grow economic and social wealth across the board youre better off providing education at a reasonable price

If I were a high school teacher, I wouldn't fail kids if they put the effort into learning. If a student did poorly on a test/struggles, or even just wants to know more, I would have a box where they can slip a note with their name on it and offer extra lessons after school or something like that to learn the material/retake a harder version of the test. This way it's more anonymous/less confronting for students since some people just don't like asking for help. Also, there are just a lot of bad teachers out there.

I would also sexually torment them if I were a thicc girl.

I would sexually torment the thicc girls with my dicc.

>tfw I choose my professors based on whether or not they're female/have hotness on ratemyprofessor

>sql basics
>implying there's an advanced version

but but we're. ..they're . ....RACIST!!

>is there really anything wrong with datass
absolutely nothing

Math b.s. here who's becoming a hs math teacher. I'm taking the first of the prereq educ classes this summer before i can get into the credential program.
No one cares about the subject they're going to teach, and everyone just cares about the kid's feelings. Everyone's always clamoring about student-centered education and how the students should be deciding what they want to learn. The whole class is pretty much unanimous in agreement that one of the key focuses in education should be on what they call Social Reconstructionism. They want to empower kids to make social changes and promote equality as one of their main goals. I've heard the phrase 'white privilege' at least 3 times during lectures and presentations, and when a qt Mexican girl said we should stop using such phrases, the professor stepped in and said everyone has a level of priceless in society, and we should be making our students aware of such things.
There are 2 or 3 music majors in the class (who are not going to be teaching music) and nearly everyone else is some sort of humanities/art major. Only myself, and 2 girls majored in some sort of STEM area. Also, gun rights were brought up twice in class, and we had a guest teacher humblebrag about how he had multiple hs girls offer him favors to boost their grade. Lastly, everyone agreed IQ means nothing and that people are all just intelligent in different ways.

You tell me

cost + too unfocused would be the two main things. curriculums are infested with required bullshit/irrelevant elective classes, which is doubly unacceptable given the costs. disciplines that are demonstrably unlikely to see future job prospects should be cracked down or at least some sort of warning style entrance counseling should be introduced like with taking out loans (another huge but separate issue)

that smells like job security

one of my friends is a high school math teacher and is extremely miserable. godspeed

My brother and I failed high school, and now I'm an EE that got a $55k job before I finished graduating with literally no research or relevant previous jobs on my resume. My senior project wasn't even related: electronics for a medical device vs setting up software/programming fucking VoIP and shit. People need to get their shit together and be better. I was tutoring maths for six years and science for two and a half. Some people are thick as bricks and still graduated, but I can appreciate the ones who are trying to actually learn something instead of just being passed on.

I don't even use my Facebook, and they keep wanting me to friend a trans teacher at my uni.

I would totally suck her dick.

wouldn't go so far as to say it's biological. it's definitely cultural though... and with that regard blacks are fubar

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They behave the same place everywhere though. The blacks in China came from parts of Africa that were never colonized/oppressed, but their descendants behave no different than ghetto blacks in America.

Her pants go into her anus, which is an incredibly unclean, disgusting thing that I've ever witnessed within my lifetime, and I've been birthed by my own mother before. Birthing sometimes comes at a price of feces coming out the anus, not that there's already residue from previous releases of browned turds, which is alike this situation where the female has her pants inside her own anus wiping against her leftover logs from the previous night of dirty diapering.

Yeah no, this has little to do with innate biological ability and more to do with keeping up a charade.

K-12 general education is literally about discipline and following directions so you can get a fucking career and contribute to society. Kids aren't being asked to invent and discover new shit. They're being told to read, recreate and/ or solve already known problems with established answers.

The problem is american education doesn't just outright tell kids (and their parents) that every single piece of work you will do for the next x years of your life has already been solved in advanced. They don't tell them that unless you fucking do your school work you're going to 9 times out of 10 end up in the poor house (if not already in the poor house) and your life will consist of struggling for the basic necessities and living like unwanted parasite by society who will in turn most likely want you dead or gotten rid of because you don't contribute a fucking thing.

Boys need to be told that unless they fucking listen and do school work they're going to end up in a shitty low paying job with depression, dead in the streets by gangs or cops costing money to their parents and tax payers to bury them or getting butt fuck by their eventual cell mate in prison.

Girls need to be told that unless they do school work they're going to end up selling their body to the entire neighborhood or become drug addicted and pass on defects to their future kids.

Most of East Asia countries already drill this shit in their kids via culture so the teachers don't have to do it. But American teachers may have to do this since the culture isn't doing it's fair share.

>if you want to grow economic and social wealth across the board youre better off providing education at a reasonable price
Then you know what to do. Open your own University and set the tuition fees you find reasonable.

Then explain why blacks do so much worse at school than whites.
Even when those blacks are raised in upper class white households.

>Not to sound like /pol/ but white and asians are doing fine. It's the other groups that fail big time.

But this is because of systematic discrimination....Of course they're doing fine because of their history, blacks/hispanics have historically been denied the same quality of schooling and have been denied living in great neighborhoods, which makes everything else harder.

Then why do they do equally as bad, or in many cases worse, in other countries where there was no history of racial discrimination?

>Then explain why blacks do so much worse at school than whites

Honestly there's no need to explain, even "IF" they 100% naturally do worse in school there is absolutely no excuse an able bodied child who has enough agency to attend school on their own accord, have enough mental processing power to hold continuous social conversations in the national language and adhere to the concept of time should fail out. The work done in K-12 is effectively memory and behavior training.

They don't fucking need to be straight A students with near perfect test scores.

They don't need to be college material.

They don't need to be future Nobel winners.

They just fucking need to be functional either go into a trade or the military. Which 90% of the population can do regardless of IQ averages.

Fuck your shitty rat race of being "good" in testing and school.

ofc. there is and I bet you know shit about It.

Public schools are only as good as their weakest links.
The average black has an IQ a standard deviation below the average white. 85 compared to 100
Some sub-Saharan populations of blacks have an IQ of 60 or less.

A below average black in America could easily have a sub-70 IQ, which makes school very challenging and naturally increases their chance to fail or drop out.

>Public schools are only as good as their weakest links.

No they aren't you retard, this isn't the military or a sports team. If the weakest link needs help you move them to special education or a separate program altogether. That's literally why they exist in the first place.

Also in a world where private schools exist, public schools by definition are almost always second rate.

>The average black has an IQ a standard deviation below the average white. 85 compared to 100

That's still a high enough average to get through k-12 with at least a C+ average if they fucking apply themselves. You are over estimating the difficulty of the k-12 curriculums because even if you average a "D" in supposedly the hardest subject that being Math almost all the other classes are subsets to language arts (the supposedly easiest subject) i.e. History, Writing and English literature with Science being the middle man in all this. Which itself isn't hard if you properly teach them logic and classifications.

>Some sub-Saharan populations of blacks have an IQ of 60 or less.

From my understanding the only Sub-saharan population with a IQ in the 60's are the Khoisan Bushmen and they are not black. Sub-saharan blacks average 70-75 IQ with poor nutrition at prenatal putting the outliers in the 60's.

>A below average black in America could easily have a sub-70 IQ, which makes school very challenging and naturally increases their chance to fail or drop out.

Only if you let them, if they have problems with the curriculum you just make the teaching more rigorous and again put them in programs to address that purpose.

you should be ashamed of making this a point.
Its like saying sun and moon are two different things and you should start accepting it.

How do you fail high school tho? Did you just stopped showing up?

Exactly. Critical thinking is just the willingness to question, investigate, and endure. You need to do that to be good at any trade or discipline. If you're a critically thinking electrician or carpenter, then that's good enough for me. Just use make the best of the Pythagorean theorem for cutting the right size wooden planks and I'll be satisfied.

>Math b.s. here who's becoming a hs math teacher

>guest teacher humblebrag about how he had multiple hs girls offer him favors to boost their grade
oh now it makes sense

yes

>had math teacher in HS who taught geometry
>everyone took this
>other than that class, he for some reason was forced to teach all the remedial classes
>this dude was miserable as fuck
>like remedial as in high school kids who were in there because they failed a standardized test over the quadratic formula multiple times

That's the fate of eurangutan stolen home. America belongs to the Amerindians. You are being replaced and you can't do anything about it.

I honestly believe that from middle school and up children should have car shop,carpenting,plumbing,metal working,computer repair and soft engineering classes.

Not everyone is going to be a lawyer or a chemist honestly.

Intelligent people who are not naive will always find a way. Many former Lefties here have pulled a Mussolini (he went from being a socialist to a fascist), though they aren't /pol/ fags who wear it like a badge of honor. Many have seen the people they stucked up for only have came back to stab them in the back. Left wing ideas (especially the social ones) ironically are incompatible with poor ill educated people, the same people intellectual Lefties fight so much for. Sooner or later they discover society will always have bottom feeders and not all are equal. If you are an intelligent person it's best to accept this and help out the few poor kids who have shown to have a special gift in them Avoid the hood niggas who have no desire to be something in life.

hello redd*t

>that slight dig at engineering at the end
I already know you are a pure meth major.

Is it gay if I want to bury my face in there?

Her penis is bigger than your face.

Obvious retoric is useless.

America belongs to the Amerindians, and mexicans replacing eurangutans is just the first step.

Yes. As with anything in America, education caters towards the rich and shits all over the poor. If you are born poor you're shit out of luck.

There is a threshold though. If you are poor but a borderline genius they make sure you go to the good universities because they cannot afford to have your brains going to another university that might end up becoming competition for the prestigious universities.

So basically if you're poor and borderline genius, you get "adopted" by the rich just so your brains wouldn't become competition for them.

If you're poor and just average or below average intelligence you're fucked.

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And it's a bit ridiculous how everyone keeps coming with more and more radical ways to change education to fix it when it fact it just lacks funding. There is a cost to education and the rich don't want to pay for the education of the poor. It's that simple. Some schools are massively underfunded. It's ridiculous. Moreover you have lots of these children growing in troubled dysfunctional families that need even more hands on coaching and mentoring than usual not to mention basic things like food and clothing.

So Mexican inherit the chimp problem? Maybe the savageness of Mexicans and their lack of altruism will make them go full genocide on blacks.

>if you are poor and smart you get adopted by the rich and their culture
Sounds like an immense incentive, no? Egalitarianism is a meme. Not everyone has the capability or aptitude. Another mouth to feed in this world needs to contribute in some way. Having more idiots who can't do shit is a great way to destroy the planet further.

What a stupid elitist attitude.

Most people are average or below average. You cannot have a society that only caters to the elite and expect it to last. And as far as I can tell, it's not the "idiots" who are destroying the planet. It's the elite who call the shots.

The masses consume. You are telling me the 1% are the reason why the entire species over consumes? If hypothetically the human species finds a way to travel the solar system then the people on those spaceships are not gonna be idiots but the very creme de la creme of humanity. This means the future of the species will always, justifiably so, belong to the elite (economic or intelligent wise). Also I assume you are socially left wing as well as fiscally? Poor, uneducated people always vote against socially left wing ideals. The upper class, altruistic Liberals that fight for the poor are getting stabbed in the back by them. The greatest enemy of homosexuals isn't white people but minorities especially those of the islam faith and black baptists. Sooner or later you will have to accept this reality. The Liberal's ultimate goal will never come to be because the very people they champion and fight for fuck them over, their is no tit for tat relationship at all.

Oh look, it's another racist thread from /pol/ claiming blacks to be inferior because of biological differences. Throwing around completely made up I.Q. numbers that no one can source. It must be - well, the sun must have risen.

Tests with check-marks can be easily deceived.

Everything you said is correct.
Unfortunately there are literally no schools that take alternative approach.

yes there are, problem is they're all expensive private schools

I will challenge you to name one.
I really doubt there is such thing as school where inclination to a certain topic in a kid is recognized and nurtured.

how many stones in two ounces and a pound

>As far as higher education is concerned, there are too many people who shouldn't be there. It's not that most of them are even incapable but rather that their previous education was so substandard that they're going to get stuck on the basics or just barely keeping up instead of progressing further. No where is this more obvious than in any field that requires some college level math without even considering proof-based mathematics. You can see the students struggling because of their poor grasp of this subject. Lectures are okay but more practical experience tends to be left up to the student, which is okay for some fields but not others.
Higher education in america is probably the best in the world, secondary education is the problem

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_education

check the links at the bottom for lists of schools

To be honest mentoring should be the one and only method for higher education.
From day one to have a guide that will let you through the hoops of profession and pass on the knowledge hand to hand.
Unfortunately such form of human sharing is a thing of the past,people are too selfish.

Instead lest put 200 people and a projector screen,give out the ppt presentation and recommend some books and charge money for it.

Very interesting,I guess not all people are animals.
No wonder we have such difference in intellect between wealth classes.

>I guess not all people are animals
you guess incorrectly

The examples above beg to differ.
It is interesting how a small percentage of the populous can organize itself for advancement through the shortest route because the are somehow conscious of their purpose in life while the rest of us follow whatever social standards are for education like animals acting on instinct.

Its demonstably not explainable by culture. Althought in turn a culture is emergent from people and people - biology.

You just wanted an excuse to post that fine booty, didn't you?

This, a true intellectual knows how to appreciate all parts of the body

>white are doing fine
no they aren't. they're just the majority so they more than other demographics run the full gamut from absolute shit to excel. the system itself is grossly inefficient in more or less every regard.

There are, but it's not racial. It's just like breeding livestock, you want to keep breeding desirable like qualities together. white people aren't especially more intelligent on average, but they have kids all up and down the social ladder which keeps them with slim but fair odds on all ends. Poor people and by consequence demographics that overlap with poverty are all fucked regardless of the racial component because it's a long pedigree of subpar potential and performance culminating in every new generation of kids. The issue of racism in this field is less about the actual distribution of genetic advantage and more about the mediocre middle class white nobodies who mistakenly believe they're above average and try to hold that over other people's heads on the arbitrary basis of race or even class.

the problem is that my dick isn't inside that butthole

>Colleges have to offer remedial classes which teach elementary algebra.
why is this a bad thing? I'm returning to school after working for the last eight years since my high school graduation and I retained almost nothing of algebra. I'm kinda thankful that the cc I'm going to offers a class for it desu. all kinds of people attend college, user, not just kids fresh out of high school

enjoy being the only white guy in the remedial classes....user you are white aren't you?

WHAt

If you think there's no biological difference when it comes to intelligence, explain the massive differences in SAT scores when organized by race and wealth? Across the board the wealthier the family the student comes from, the more intelligent they are on average when compared to the same race of a poorer family.
However, the richest black students barely score the same as the poorest white students on the SATs yet they all take the same test and learn the same material as their peers.
Just type in the magic words "SAT by race and wealth" into Google and you're good to go.
There's also other differences when it comes to race and genetics shown by data such as the Stanford study showing racial groupings matching genetic profiles, the minnesota transracial adoption studies, the different level of population differentiation among human genes study, the Kansas city desegregation experiment.
That's not even touching on many studies concerning genes like rs236330, c2orf16 rd191912, and many others that are strongly correlated with intelligence.
To deny that the gap exists because of biological differences and not socioeconomic reasons is to deny a massive amount of consistent evidence gathered over decades.
Life is basically racist all the way down to your genetics, get over it.

>life is racist
That's why your race is being replaced by mexicans on USA and muslim peasants on europe. You have to go back to europe. America belongs to the amerindians.

Incas developed faster, got to the continent 15000 years after eurangutans settled on europe, had less cultures to trade with, got a harsh climate which wipetd out coastal cities, isolation continent south-north, and didn't have anatolian nor egyptian cultures that babysit them to the iron age.

Incas were superior to europeans. And your kind will be extinct in this century. Deal with it.

Holy crap. You know the experiment where they plugged electrodes into the pleasure centres of rats' brains and they would keep hitting the power switch to the exclusion of eating and drinking? I almost couldn't stop watching that.

What? America was the last continent to be settled by humans you retard. Europeans were already in the dark ages by the time Aztecs figured out how to properly eat corn without dying from malnutrition.

The AP course system is being taken advantage of in lower income schools. They take students who don't belong there and fill classes to make extra income. Students who deserve to be there do not get the full, expected education and students who do not belong there get a worse education because they can not grasp the concepts.

This costs the tax payers more and gives the students a worse education.

>I assume youre left wing
>Proceeds to shit talk him
Stopped reading there

Whats the point of debating if you dont even know how to persuade somebody?
This is a problem with /pol/ in general where instead of reasonably explaining why they think what they think or appealing to the opposing side while explaining why theyre wrong, you just antagonize everyone who doesnt immediately agree with you. It doesnt matter if youre right or wrong because youre never going to persuade anyone if you keep insulting them.

The biggest problem with education at the moment is being a primary school teacher is a fall-back option for people who 'dont like math or science, and just like children'.

This means that when children get their first taste of academics and STEM subjects, it's taught to them by literally 22 year old blonde sluts that never understood math in their lives and dropped it as a subject at the first given opportunity.

Is it then any wonder that most kids grow up not understanding it, and following suite? "Oh it's a bunch of things I'll never get".

I'm and here, where in my post did I even try to deny biological differences?

Did you even bother to read through my posts? Or where you jerking off to your racism so much that you forgot basic reading comprehension and grabbed the nearest posts that didn't 100% agree with your world view?

Go fuck yourself you brainlet.

dude what

My female hs bio teacher was pretty cool. Also the girl math teacher was the best at the school. Honestly most of my really competent teachers were female, whereas the guys were just chill with having fun and if you picked something up along the way then great. One of the only counterexamples being my male physics/chem teacher.

this,
everyone else just trying to legitimize their racism or avoiding the issue

>This means that when children get their first taste of academics and STEM subjects, it's taught to them by literally 22 year old blonde sluts that never understood math in their lives and dropped it as a subject at the first given opportunity.
Q: how much of a passion for math and knowledge of it do you really need to reach primary school math effectively?
A: Not very much at all.

Bell curve disagrees!

mental defects, chronic problem makers, and the functional but stupid should be separated out from the other students in public schools.

america should also adopt japan's education system. year round schooling. uniforms at the middle and high school levels. strict discipline. mountains of homework. replace big national standardized tests with individual university entrance exams. have students help clean up and cook the lunch. students stay in their homeroom and the teachers rotate through the classes.

Oh?

When we learn concepts they are always 'hard' and 'strange' at first.

Even basic addition. It's useful if the person teaching it understands it in and out, and can explain it in 5-10 different ways and really gets the foundation down...

lol good luck, we're reaching the point where 50% of the us student body shows up to high school simply for the free lunch and to sell drugs

How you guys learn history. All you do is learn dates of battles and shit and then test it out in multiple choice questions. Pretty horrible tbqh.

yes, not enough thick mommies to teach the class.

high school entrance exams.

we already have charter schools and magnet schools. we should make the middle schoolers compete to get into the better high schools. then the rest are sent off to Special High School or to a vocational school to start a career in something like welding or forklift operation.

>didn't go to prom

I'm a fool it was gonna be great

I dunno..american education at least at the public level is mostly general education

A big problem is probably the labeling of mental disorders vs gifted and talented and stuff, nepotism and money even and especially at the public level

The fact that american education is based on european education and stuff also removes a lot of cool stuff, math and stuff is universal, we all communicate in english since we've been taught in english but there are things that have different meanings in different languages

>tfw beautiful blonde vixens could have taught me other things

If only but it was still a joy to be around them and I wish them well

>"special"

I don't understand what this word means anymore...

>why is this a bad thing?
Because you can learn all of the algebra and trig you need to know to take calculus in a few afternoons on Khan Academy. That's what I did last year before going to college. Remedial math classes are for student-athlete tier brainlets and they lower the quality of the student body.

Reaching "effectively" isn't really teaching at all. Even though many people can progressively learn to write and whatnot, few are the one who fully retain their math knowledge because there is no integral knowledge.

I'm sorry. Did I offend your ego?

Allowing phones in class is one.