Why is this site so much better than reddit?

Pretty much this

Because you cant get downvoted into oblivion for saying something unpopular.

thank god for moot btw

Probably wouldn't be hard for Veeky Forums to grow in popularity if reddit really takes a shit. That being said, I'm going to disagree with you faggot, but only on a few things.

>No Identity

This is a major bonus to Veeky Forums when it comes to throwing replies out there. You do not have to worry about what people will see you as, all you are is user. The downside is long-term contact with other posters is severely reduced. Reply to a thread, detailing a long rebuttal to some guy? >bait, but there is a very real possibility that person has gone away, never to look at the thread again.

>No Currency

fuck reddit. popularity should be driven by the conversation and intensity with which it is garnered, not voting. Voting incites dick-stroking, which only appears once you either btfo someone or similar.

>No Real Archives

This is kind of bad. Old threads go away, with discussions that might seem core to a board, and primary to the boards identity, go away. That being said, having the ability to dodge someone saying "reposter" from 2011, fuck.

>No Real Moderation

Yeah. Be it voting or mods or admins. Post all your weird shit in /b/.

>No Friends, No Life

It's okay faggot, I'll be your friend. :^)

>No fucks

Best part about Veeky Forums is its ability for spontaneity as well as this weird sense of shouting into the void of the internet and most of the time getting a response back, assuming you aren't a shitposter.

>Overall

kys :^) dubs checkem pepe niggerfaggot traps tbqhf

test

High test? Will steroids make me smarter?

This. Has always been this for me.

Because true humanities education has been edited out of the curriculum and replaced with a debased version of sociology. Trudeau is a perfect example of this:

>Great Books education? Oh, too many white guys. . . better do away with that!
>Hmmm liberal arts majors are always protesting and causing trouble. . .better do away with them! We need more scientists and programmers in the modern world!

Trudeau is a rich faggot and the cat's paw of Bay Street. He'll give you "diversity" and social "justice" to keep you quiet while he taxes you into poverty and sends your job to India. Also soma, I mean weed, is legal now, so smoke up dude. This is what normalfags don't get, is that the Tories are actually the party of the common man, while the Liberals are the party of Bay Street.

/lgbt/ is the only correct answer

I've thought about this before, and as others have said it has to do with anonymity and bot having Reddit's retarded upvote/downvote systen where the popular opinions get the most visibility, and so propagate.

The other side to this anonymity and equality is the volume of vitriol, memeing, and nonsense. But once you wade past that you get genuine discussion between people that is stripped of identity. Each board then is about discussing its hobby and only that. I think 4chab is truly an enthusiast's website where the entry barrier is your ability to tolerate or adapt to some fucking weird humor.

When you remove identity and censorship, all you have left are ideas.

Ideas are the basis for discussion. Thus, Veeky Forums is a superior platform for discussion.

The other effect of anonymity is that status seeking and virtue signalling are less common. Obviously people still seek validation on Veeky Forums but on reddit people constantly say dumb shit for updoots

people like to feel like they understand. they also like to feel understood, which could also externally validate their feelings of understanding, which feels better than just understanding; and communicating with others who not only confirm your understanding (by understanding your communicated understanding) but also by /agreeing/ with your understanding, and displaying and confirming that youre not alone in understanding what you understand.

the problem is people like this feeling so much, and are so fucking ignorant, they cant see that they prefer the feeling of /believing/ they understand, the feeling of being understood by people who (they on faith believe) understand what they understand the way they understand it: consensus.

so when you get people together like this (opiate addicts really) together, who have verbal and nonverbal ways of understanding one another (providing a multiplicity of opium highs), you get this feedback loop, whats becoming known as an echo chamber, where the groupthought is reverberating (repeated verbally) exponentially (upvotes) and drowning out (shaming and downvoting) any idea regardless of how reasonable or sound it may be.

and the fucking joke is its these people who are accusing the other people of being guilty for precisely what theyre guilty of!

Joke's on you, newfag. Veeky Forums is literally an extension of Reddit, especially this board.

I agree with you. I'd also say that what holds it back from its full potential is incompetent moderation. It's true, Veeky Forums has always been a place where you have to wade through shit to get to the good stuff, but blue boards getting spammed with porn and superhero movie threads, as it happens frequently on /tv/, is a bit too much. Yes, I just equated porn and capeshit. Both are equally worthless. I know, /tv/ is probably one of the worst boards at this point. I still go there because I'm interested in cinema, and there's the occasional decent thread to be found even there.

>>No Real Archives
>This is kind of bad.

I disagree, honestly. I can put up with the unofficial archives, but even then I think it would be better for them to stop existing. I think the ephemerality of Veeky Forums posts makes people more willing to be spontaneous. It also stops the boards from getting bogged down in old garbage. 99.99% of the shit that gets posted here doesn't need to continue to exist after it falls off the board. The stuff the does almost always gets sceenshotted or whatever anyways.

Agree on all points, except the lack of archives.

I agree with the porn needs to get better handled. I don't think mods should start banning content like capeshit, just because then it honestly becomes a question of where to stop.

I can't remember a single time a mod has taken it upon themselves to clean up "low quality threads" on a board, and not had it turn in to a huge mess.

I think it could be done by restricting discussion of any given movie/tv show to one thread. Of course, this seems unrealistic in some cases, since whenever a new Star Wars is released, the board's flooded and literally 80% of threads, at the very least, are SW. I really don't know. I refuse to believe it can't be controlled though.

I don't so much think that is "can't" be controlled, moreso I think it is better left uncontrolled. Sorry I didn't make that clear in my original post.

I'm not sure about that. I don't think every major board needs to be a SFW(which it's not anyway, because of the spam) version of /b/.

Removing clearly off topic posts is fine. It's what's already sometimes done. My problem comes in when you want to remove on-topic content that you just don't like/think is low quality.

>Because true humanities education has been edited out of the curriculum

This is the truly horrifying reality. Education is in a terrible state right now.

>He'll give you "diversity" and social "justice" to keep you quiet while he taxes you into poverty and sends your job to India

That's exactly right as well. A great book I couldn't recommend enough is "The Trouble With Canada...Still"... It's a title you'd expect from a Rebel Media personality, but Gairdner does an excellent job and digs into the philosophical underpinnings of various political movements and policies and how they have brought Canada to the place we are today.

In theory yes, but the users still have to put the effort in. There are always quality threads and discussions, but you have to wade through a lot of shitposting (as fun as that can be).

>If you go on the threads discussing it, there's people outright dismissing all of philosophy, while having read none of it, because 'it's 2017.'

And there's people here who post a picture of a frog or cult leader in response to any argument you make. What's your point?

This thread is just as circlejerking if not moreso than the forum you're trying to criticize.

I see what you mean. Constraining certain topics to a limited amount of threads is not exactly removing content, though. It's ensuring that discussion of other topics is even possible and threads not related to the latest blockbuster release aren't pushed off the board within a few minutes.

Fair point, and I don't disagree with that method of cleaning things up in theory. In practice I feel like it probably doesn't work out as well as you'd like it to though. I feel like the boundary between what should and shouldn't be in its own thread/in some meta thread becomes a bit blurry. It also promotes the concept of "[x] General" type threads, which honestly benefit nobody.

I'd say generals act as good containment threads for topics (You) don't like, but, of course, when it's something you're interested in, it's a different situation, since these threads aren't exactly known for high quality discourse.
I know it probably wouldn't work quite as well as I'd like, and it's not like we'll see an attempt at it anyway. I still wouldn't mind if they tried, though.

I actually think generals tend to often lower quality of boards even for people who dislike whatever they're containing. Whenever you look at boards that have many general threads, like /int/ for example, the quality of posts outside the generals seems to drop off pretty rapidly once generals pick up traction. It seems like what happens is that people stop actively browsing the catalog/making new threads and instead bubble themselves off in to the two or three threads they are interested in. You also end up with generals for things that didn't even previously have threads all the time now constantly taking up space.

Good point, you're probably right. Do you think stricter enforcement of on-topic threads is the best they could do?

>on reddit people constantly say dumb shit for updoots

The few times Google led me into a Reddit thread, the top comments were always dumb puns and shitty memes. It's like a single step above youtube comments in regards to cancer, but then again that's not much of an accomplishment.

That's probably the best they can do without it just causing more problems than are trying to be solved, yes. At least, I haven't really seen any suggestions that I think would actually do anything to increase board quality that don't seem to have some deep flaws when looked at passed the surface level.

ITT: People who have been here too long take things way too seriously

>there's people here who post a picture of a frog or cult leader in response to any argument you make.

Where do you think they came from?

Yet, they're not doing even that.
I wonder if and when the "next Veeky Forums" pops up, and I don't mean another chan clone, I mean something new and just as unique. It's bound to happen eventually, right? Unless the internet in its current state is already on its deathbed.

I voted for that handsome devil. #StopO'Leary2017

what is this harris vs peterson thing?

>top comment on the most upboated post right now

na his fedora tippers will god after peterson

Peterson takes Pepe (which is really Kek) serious while Harris is scientisim and does not see how meme magic works. It really works.
I mean both take a different philosophy and that is okay, but how can one dismiss Peterson when he has a more valid, dare I say, fit (in the sense of fittest) one?

Harris fanboys are delusional and follow him just because he confirms with their atheistic beliefs. I at least listened critically to the podcast and can only conclude that Peterson is more in the right.

Reddit is a mindless drone while here critical thinkers flourish.

>Peterson takes Pepe (which is really Kek) serious
I'm too old for this board

You don't want to know.

>I'm too old for this board
You mean: I am not a Darwinian truth anymore

>I at least listened critically to the podcast and can only conclude that Peterson is more in the right.

Unless this proves non-beneficial to you in the long run in which case Harris is right.

>Unless this proves non-beneficial to you in the long run in which case Harris is right.
Yes.
But I am very confident it will not be like that.

Unless your confidence proves to be harmful in future. In which case that is actually not true or not true enough.

If Kek wills it, yes

This site isn't so much better than reddit.

If I had to be born again, I'd much rather my mother be a reddit user than a Veeky Forums user. Wouldn't you?

>I'd much rather my mother be a reddit user than a Veeky Forums user. Wouldn't you?
I think it is almost a kind of false dichotomy. It matters much which subreddit or subboard my mom would use.

This whole thing between Peterson and Harris seems more like the war between cults than anything substantial at this point.

>how did the materialist view of reality(...)
The answer is "because it works". Gnon doesn't care about philosophical elegance of your views, the thing that matters is if they are adaptive or not.

>works

Eliminative materialism, user.

>No Real Archives

but there's fuuka.warosu.org/lit

>Why is this site so much better than reddit?
Reddit is happy with who they are.

Veeky Forums is not.

So while you will get plenty of bromides from redditors, no one will tell you to improve yourself. They are complacent just being pseudo-intellectuals lacking any real aspirations.

Veeky Forums are outcasts that strive for greatness. Reddit are the contented masses that strive for nothing. /r/mildyinteresting is the epitome of Reddit. Go there and you will fully understand the site.

I fail to see how anyone would still take this guy seriously after that inciting a "debate" with Chomsky.

>This coming from a guy with a PhD.
Had to kek here. I've met more cerebral and well-rounded people on undergrad parties than I have during my doctoral. This coming from a guy with a PhD.

as harris says in the podcast, his sanity is rooted in the correspondence sense of truth, which is why he can't step out and compare systems. rookie mistake.

I get the feeling Harris is defined by his overcompensating for insecurity and is one talking point away from a nervous breakdown.

>I HAVE A PHD GUYS, LOOK HOW SMART I AM
fuck off

>I get the feeling Harris is defined by his overcompensating for insecurity and is one talking point away from a nervous breakdown.

I get the feeling that you're talking out of your arse

because at least when you use the catalog view this site is just about tolerable to use
reddit is practically unusable. i have no idea why so many people put up with such a shitty site

I think what he means is that Harris tries to be a supermeme i.e. the archetype "wise old man" however Harris, as he ignores collective consciousness, fails to deliver and thus he fails to reach the hierarchical top (in which he gets access to highly fertile and fit females).

That makes Harris insecure.

Materialists drink their own feces.

I usually don't bother with Harris. Does he always approach like this?
See: samharris.org/blog/item/speaking-of-truth-with-jordan-b.-peterson

I personally wouldn't even bother engaging with Peterson. But I have no idea whatever Harris engages religious people in the same way.

I agree with you in some respects about Trudeau, but the conservatives gut arts, humanities, and sciences.

>being mad he doesn't have a phd
You really shouldn't be user. This coming from a guy with a PhD.

I think he has all the right to be mad, that comes from a guy with two PhDs by the way.

>2017
>Not using reddit solely as a porn archive

I personally use it only for the askscience subreddits. There aren't many sites to ask science related questions without all too many armchair scientists.

confirmation bias all over the place it's disgusting

Hoold up. So why is there all this discussion about Peterson on Veeky Forums? I thought he was only popular because of his views on bullshit identity politics in universities.

Narcissism epidemic

>I thought he was only popular because of his views on bullshit identity politics in universities.
You answered your own question. People reasoned with his problems with identity politics, which I think is fair, and that makes them more likely to - I speculate - resonate with his other views.

Wouldn't be surprised if this was an actual psychological phenomenon, but unless I find such a thing I am speculating.

kek

There are just as many idiots here (especially since many plebbitors are crossposters, such as yourself) but anonymity makes them less noticeable. When you see a blatant, obvious, low-effort shitpost you easily skim over it as a shitpost. Sometimes shitposters are actually serious and you just lump them in with people being intentionally idiotic reflexively.

When you see CarlSwaggin69 posting about how philosophy is all bullshit unlike science which is a universally true thing in itself, you are forced to pause and actually internalize the fact that a being on a high enough order of existence to have created an identity for himself actually believes these things.

These things are all basically true except there are now multiple places to find archived Veeky Forums post.

Darwinian in the sense that it is not always the strongest ideas that survive, but those most adaptive to change.

Not everyone's read that exchange, the fact that he posted it publicly made it all the more hilarious.

I mean, it's not really fair but after reading how horribly Sam got destroyed by a clearly dismissive Chomsky I just immediately assume everything he says is wrong.

I don't quite understand what's happening here; I've just become aware of this.

Peterson seems to be stating that if we are to base ethics in scientific realism, then we must make a teological appeal to embodying the ideal man/woman.

What's with the telos?

There would be no telos in a scientific theory of anything.

I'm not exactly sympathetic with Harris either, just to clarify.