Is there any good Veeky Forums written in defence/support of fascism?

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For my legionaries : Codreaunu

All the best fascists were ex-Marxists who created explicitly anti-Marxist ideologies.

Read mosley and de rivera

George lincoln rockwell. For easy start you can even read his children stories (yes, he wrote children stories).

>I'm not fascist but ;^)

Read Mussolini's articles, speeches and diaries. Pretty good style of writing and arguing

>Fascism
>Right-wing

Look at this political illiterate.

seriously embarassing

>no, you see, mussolini was a socialist!
>no, you see, it's called "national SOCIALISM"

Read a fucking book. Both fascism and nazism were brutal on unions and workers
>inb4 "unions were corrupt"
>inb4 workers' rights in the 20s were fine and dandy and no sort of opposition was needed

You're not very good with logic, are you?

p: fascism right-wing
q: fascism left-wing
r:fascism brutal on unions
s: fascism brutal on workers

!q: fascism not left-wing

You state that r^s !q and that !q p, neither of which are necessarily true. Further, s is actually false, voiding your entire argument. Please try again.

> I'm not a fascist but I display all the signs of being a fascist without the consequence of bearing the label

There are reasons besides Marxism to dislike fascism, friend. There's a whole spectrum of political systems that are not fascism.

mein diary desu

Marxists are the ones responsible for narrowing the Overton window to its current state, though.

Also, you need to >>>/go back/.

shut the fuck up

q: not an argument.

q can be shown to be true for this post.

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>spilling your spooks and destruction of western spooks

This and a lot of his contemporaries: Ezra Pound is obvious, but also arguably T S Eliot.
Get fucked. This is the dawn of the new fascist age and it is time the rest of Veeky Forums accepted it.

Le chin man

>t. Idiot

>chinlet?

That doesn't look like an argument. Perhaps you could try to make one next time?

>DAE Platoh. Machaveli. Aristote, Hegel were all epic fascists

t. Prussian Army LARPer

Well, maybe try reading them?

Because YOU have...

damn you're so stupid

>no u

Start with the Republic, then move on to the Politics and the Prince, and finish up with the Phenomenology of Spirit. Or provide some arguments against the hypothesis that the central arguments of all of those works are proto-fascist. And stop samefagging while you're at it.

Is Hegel Fascist? I thought he was an egalitarian?

Hegel tried to finish German idealism

Don't worry this guy is just a total idiot, and Hegel was a jacobin

yeah, except that the finisher of German idealism is Croce

>mfw not a fascist yet but getting into Pound, Yeats and Eliot
this is gonna be fun

National Socialism displayed both left and right wing tendencies. It incorporated some Fascist elements like nationalism and ethnocentrism and socialist elements like the abolishment of the class system. It's quite similar to the type of society replicated in Plato's republic which makes sense seeing as The Idealism present in Germany the few centuries before WW2 was heavily influenced by Platonism.

Calm down, Jonah Shillburg.

This makes sense with what little I know about Hegel. I thought the whole point of the analysis of the master-slave relationship was to show its development and eventual eradication through history.

We might see the rise of a new Mussolini in our lifetime. My Italian friend says there's a lot of nostalgia for the past in Italy at the moment. With their plummeting birth rates something's got to give soon. Are you excited?

But marxists are more fascists than fascists as displayed in the world and even on this board too

INVOLUNTARY EGOISTS GO BACK TO /POL/

>like the abolishment of the class system

The class system was not abolished, on the contrary it got way more authoritarian and hierarchical, unions were destroyed and workers rights were disparaged as usual, even more during the war.
I don't see how you could think that Fascism benefits in any sensible way the common worker. It may appeal to his gut through populism, but none of the solutions proposed by the Italian and German parties were feasible in the long run.

>The class system was not abolished

But attempts were made, and it was the long-term goal. The nazis were very derisive of the aristocracy and wanted to eliminate their role in society, and they partly succeeded with that.

>workers rights were disparaged

Only from your narrow Marxist definition of worker's rights.

>I don't see how you could think that Fascism benefits in any sensible way the common worker

Besides providing good employment to a very large number of workers, and glorifying the common man?

>but none of the solutions proposed by the Italian and German parties were feasible in the long run.

That's just like, your opinion.

I hate fascism and nazism, but I hate ignorant retards like you even more.

Jonah Goldberg came to visit my college to speak to the college Republicans but I snuck in.

At the end of his speech we got to go up to him personally and ask him some questions. I waited until the question asking was mostly over and the room had thinned out before approaching. I asked him whether he preferred to live in the ideal state of Alexander Hamilton or the ideal state of Thomas Jefferson and he chose Hamilton. I expressed a confusion to him about this choice and he stated that if he could choose any ideal state of any of the founding father it would be James Madison who I pointed out to him was still a federalist. And he gave me some line about how he isn't really that against the use of state power but that the resurgence of populist antigovernment conservatism in the modern Republican Party was the biggest groundswell the party had ever seen.

I then said to him this phrase, "I guess you've gotta ride the wave, huh? But what happens when you can't ride it any more." he looked pretty shook after that and stopped talking with me.

I guess we know what happens now. I know he remembers our conversation because I've heard him use the exact phrasing on a CNN panel to pretend that he foresaw the current party predicament.

I'm not sayin it didn't get more hierarchical or actuallybenefited the workers. All I'm saying is the ethos was heavily collectivist and many of the policies reflected that whether they worked or not. You could say exactly the same thing about Stalist Russia.

This is a 100% legitimate tale that totally happened.

what the fuck is even the differences between marxism and fascism. seems like the only difference is that fascism is racist while marxism is not. they're both oppressive, totalitarian shit idelogies

One political science book claimed the one assimilates outgroups while the other excludes them
It is a kind of horse shoe theory using evolutionary theory

Time will tell the validity of it, other political science books such as "predisposed" and "the righteous mind" claim slightly different things. Which confuses me.

The book I am talking of is "Our political nature"

>Veeky Forums guide to right-wing literature
>Principles of Conservative Judaism

I understand that it's hard to believe.

He'd certainly claim it didn't happen if you outright ask him. But it happened in late 2013 early 2014. You can probably look up the event. It was at Fordham University.

Your tale is only somewhat more believable than the atheist professor pasta.

Here's a link to the event.

orgsync.com/39695/events/670700/occurrences/1302055

Well now that fully corroborates your likely tale

Left wing ideologies are inherently self destructive whilst right wing ideologies are inherently destructive outside of themselves. To put it another way, left wing ideologies give more emphasis to effeminate qualities which destroys hierarchies and inclusive to all, including foreigners, whilst right wing ideologies put more emphasis on male qualities, which encourages hierarchies but also war-like tendencies towards foreigners.

>not posting Spengler

You are a cretin, honestly. Ascribing 20th century ideology which cannot even be applied to Machiavelli, let alone Plato and Aristotle, is incredibly stupid. Not only because fascism isn't a coherent idea, but because you don't understand the difference between a state and a community.
The best cure for your retardation would probably be Whose Justice Which Rationally and After Virtue by Alasdair MacIntyre.

ABSOLUTELY BTFO

something something know thy enemy

*This is why the Stalinist regime was so fucking suicidal, where all the high ranking officials were killing each other off. Whereas most attacks on the Nazi party came from outside of the inner circle.

I think it's a lot more believable. This is basically just me complaining about something that was pretty fucking easy to see.

Since 2008 the Republicans have riling up this base for no goddamned reason. It's not like that base is ever going to vote any way other than Republican. You could easily have said the same thing once the Tea Party movements happend.

I went to another event there about gun control. The speaker was extremely pro gun control and I talked to him after and just said to him "look, you're never going to pass any of this stuff because guns are too cool." he completely failed to understand and said something about the cost of human life and I had to spell it out for him. "people don't care about abstract human death. They like guns because they're cool, because they make those people feel powerful. It's never going to happen. The best you can realistically do is probably universal background checks."
And we went back and forth for a while with him offering me all these alternatives like storing guns on ranges but I don't think I ever got through to him.

Anyway. I would do this a lot with speakers that came to my school. I did it with teachers too. It was a lot of fun and I probably wouldn't have gotten away with it if I didn't have a natural charisma.

How did they manage to take the guns away in England and France then? After a few mass shootings it was easy to convince people it was the right thing to do. It's much more likely the reason gun control won't happen in America is its written in the constitution.

This may be hard for you to comprehend but I'm not in a position to dictate gun policy to any country and have my changes implemented.

400 years of having and 300 years of actually needing guns tends to leave its mark on the culture and the people you know. The constitution was written with this in mind, it isn't the cause but the effect.

> I'm not a fascist but ... degeneracy and destruction of western civilisation
lmfao

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>people don't care about abstract human death. They like guns because they're cool, because they make those people feel powerful. It's never going to happen. The best you can realistically do is probably universal background checks.

Actually pretty true. The autistic repeating of "shall not be infringed" is probably the most annoying part of /k/.

He's in there, look closer

>what a cuck

Agreed
>you don't understand the difference between a state and a community.
But Machiavelli, Plato and Aristotle explicitely apply their ideas to a state...
And please stop namecalling it doesn't add anything to your point really
I'm Italian and the new Mussolini is yet to be born
>a lot of nostalgia
There's always been, personally I haven't seen a noticible increase
>This is why the Stalinist regime was so fucking suicidal, where all the high ranking officials were killing each other off. Whereas most attacks on the Nazi party came from outside of the inner circle.
Really good point to be honest

>((((Goldberg))))
>supports big federal government and a crook like Hamilton
Why is /pol/ always right?

*explicitly
*noticeable

>t. /pol/

>But attempts were made, and it was the long-term goal. The nazis were very derisive of the aristocracy and wanted to eliminate their role in society, and they partly succeeded with that.

Yes they opposed the irrelevant aristocracy at that point but they still didn't eliminate or even oppose the capitalists, you stupid fuck.

>Only from your narrow Marxist definition of worker's rights.

kek

>glorifying the common man

It's meaningless to glorify the common man when capitalists still exploit workers you dumb liberal cunt.

>That's just like, your opinion.

Yeah, you're a fucking moron. Neck yourself.

Alfredo Rocco

fascism-archive.org/books/PoliticalDoctrinesRocco.html

Carl Schmitt
Dugin

Fascism is still too populist. Go full reactionary.

>fascism is racist
false. nazism is racist, but not fascism.

>But attempts were made, and it was the long-term goal. The nazis were very derisive of the aristocracy and wanted to eliminate their role in society, and they partly succeeded with that.

in what istances have they succedeed? The Nazi society got more hierarchical in time, culminating in the extreme hierarchical structure that it held at the end of the war (where everyone was just a cog in a giant machine and every citizen was expendable).

>Only from your narrow Marxist definition of worker's rights.
Do you realize that you're talking about workers' rights at the beginning od the century? The conditions were terrible even for our standards of decency, they were closer to modern sweatshops than modern Western factories.
And both the Nazis and the Fascist violently thought to mantain that, and then make it even worse.

>Besides providing good employment to a very large number of workers, and glorifying the common man?

It was blind public spending. The Nazi didn't go to war cause of phillsophical reasons, they actually needed to go to war to escape from the most crushing crisis of the century.
Aslo we already know that public spending was a tactic to rile the population up for war.

>That's just like, your opinion.
I'd say that that's what actually happened in the, you know, real world.

>I hate fascism and nazism, but I hate ignorant retards like you even more.
Sure thing, sweetie.

who else would you suggest

Isn't Storm of Steel a memoir?

If I'm right wing do I have to be conservative?

How can anyone honestly support fascism, or try to defend it after claiming they understand it, and think they are an intelligent person at the same time?

I ask myself the same question about those who honestly support Marxism and all its variants.

people who hate other people for being different.
lazy people tend to be nicer on the whole.

>good
>facism

So yall just tryna be contrarian for the sake of it or what

>2017
>Not being contrarian

Keep defending the status quo, chump. It's always easier to be on the attack.

Is there any literature speaking and teaching the corporatist economic model?
Wanting to look into it and not have it confused with corporatocracy.

Ride the Tiger by Evola

the way of men, anything in relation to biological evolutionary science (r/K selection), most ancient philosophers are a good entry point towards critical thinking, with the fallacies and ways of arguing that they present. History of rome, of russia and its problems with jews.

Directly in defense of fascism there probably arent too many, but there are LOADS of secondary and tertiary sources to support fascism. Simply on the virtue on all the other ways of thinking being garbage lol.

I don't think I am an intelligent person.

learning to love fascism is a long process. You may be surprised but there are many among you who grew up exactly as you, some who were in the free and easy lifestyle, with all the music, comfort, tv's, alcohol such as you.

But as we aged we started to learn more about the world. And about the various consequences that the various ideologies have. The whole mental map that we have made on all the effects of them is enormous. From subdivisions into health (lol at 60% obesity/overweight ratio, to low testosterone and high depression). To economics, equality, culture, love for yourself, the way one treats other cultures and races. There are many of these variables. And bluntly put, all animals seek to replicate themselves, we have this meaty brain that tells us the best path to maximize our chances for this. And our brains decided that the best path for that is through fascism.

We even go into philosophic melancholy on life itself, on bio diversity, on the animal populations, coral reefs and the health of the creatures around us and judge to not protect them to be degenerate. We would even self sacrifice ourselves to protect the planet and all that lives in it. Since we think that life itself is precious.

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