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Can we ban all Juden posters?

Plus Orwell grew really disillusioned by the Republican/Communist government forces as well, he didn't come out of the Spanish Civil War thinking the side he fought for was right.

Look at me thinking differently!
>*Tips*

I don't see many parallels between 1984 and the Trump administration. The SJW left on the other hand is quite orwellian.

>redefining words like racism, sexism, race, gender, white
>demonstrations, ostracism and violence against people with differing opinions
>attempts to socially engineer the perception of the masses by changing labels, e.g. negro becomes black, becomes colored people, becomes african american, becomes people of color, becomes black again
>anti-meritocratic
>not sleeping with ugly/fat/transsexual women is bigotry, i.e. sexual selection is against equality

It's like they took the book as an instruction manual.

That last one is from Brave New World though.

The government in 1984 is in total control of its populace through fear and terror, and engaged in mutually agreed upon endless war with its neighbors.

Trump is facing constant open criticism from almost every single direction.

I sure missed the part in 1984 where all the bureaucrats revolted against big brother on twitter and through resignations.

How can we save Veeky Forums from Reddit and other normies drooling over Orwell?

As opposed to not thinking differently? Is that what you'd prefer?

He went out pissed at the stalinist side which sabotaged the anarchists, actually. Stop trying Orwell into Enoch Powell.

Remind them that there are no connections.

If anything Trump is channeling the love child of Berlusconi and Juan Peron. Thus far the competence level has been extremely low, ideology aside. The competence level in 1984 is maximum.

If Trump is channelling anybody It's probably Andrew Jackson.

They are wrong, claiming Orwell wrote against socialists is just false. HE WAS A SOCIALIST. He just hated the Soviets. He also wrote plenty against the right-wingers and fascists in the West, and initially prefaced Animal Farm with a criticism of western media.

Right wingers are always, always, always historically misinformed and wrong. 100% of the time.

You're right, Trump is worse.

/r/the_donald though has more serious similarities

Trump as Jackson is a comparison I don't see made enough, even though I think Old Hickory was at least a little bit smarter than Trump.

all of these could very easy be applied to stormfags though

Stormfags have no institutional power. The academic left does.

Friendly reminder the majority of people on /pol/ and Veeky Forums are teenagers.
We need to escape this site.

I don't really see it, please elaborate. They are cunts for sure, but a different kind.

>I don't see many parallels between 1984 and the Trump administration. The SJW left on the other hand is quite orwellian.
*tips fedora*

>>redefining words like racism, sexism, race, gender, white
nope, *tips fedora*
>>demonstrations, ostracism and violence against people with differing opinions
nope, *tips fedora*
>>attempts to socially engineer the perception of the masses by changing labels, e.g. negro becomes black, becomes colored people, becomes african american, becomes people of color, becomes black again
nope, *tips fedora*
>>anti-meritocratic
nope, *tips fedora*
>>not sleeping with ugly/fat/transsexual women is bigotry, i.e. sexual selection is against equality
nobody has ever said this, no a tumblr screenshot doesn't count, *tips fedora*

>It's like they took the book as an instruction manual.
*triple backflips fedora into 360 tip*

Get your fedora-ass alt-right bullshit out of Veeky Forums. None of this actually exists, you've just plugged yourself into the places of the internet where losers spend all day conjuring specters of "ebin problems in western society"

cringe

You're right, the comparison is fairly lacking, and Orwell isn't a very good author, but let's not encourage Trump's supporters into thinking their worldview is justified.

I don't understand why Socialists would want to claim Orwell for their cause, the guy was hilariously bourgeois.

1984 is more leaning towards fascism/authoritarianism which encompasses both sides of the spectrum because both sides have radicals.

Still don't see parallels between the book and the trump administration. I am not saying he isn't authoritarian, bust still I don't see parallels with the book.

And much more self assured. I also think comparing a brutal, efficient, and competent soldier to Trump is a huge stretch.

Trump is a brutal, efficient and competent businessman despite what CNN would have you believe.

>Trump is a brutal, efficient and competent businessman despite what CNN would have you believe.
Given money and NYC land by daddy is not competent, it's lucky. Also his businesses, even the ones that didn't go bankrupt are pretty bad.

The comparison is a stretch, and plenty of people flock to it whenever the government does something remotely along the lines of the book. See the NSA Snowden affair (book sales went up again) but its mostly to do with the "alternative facts" and the rampant doublethink within the administration

Because he fought for socialist causes. He wasn't bourgeois or at least a champagne socialist. He was destitute for many many years of his life

Like the one that scammed senior citizens out of their money? That was pretty ruthless.

haha! I see what you did there!! :PP

Oh, you mean like the time he hired homeless people to squat in his apartment complex to drive out the tenants? That's what I call efficient

>The guy who received weekly shipments of Kippers and British brand named tea in war torn Spain wasn't bourgeois
Sure thing senpai.

You are being stupid. He was a socialist, but he wrote against movements that used the name socialism to establish totalitarian rule.

Also, his brand of socialism is far different from today's. He was more concerned with the miners, farmers etc whereas today's socialists place most emphasis on middle class people with liberal arts degrees.

i'm a gay man and this guy was arguing that because he grew up as a closeted Catholic, he is allowed to be "angry," at the world and want all white males to be mass murdered, and if you're "oppressed," and disagree with him you're a sexist, racist gay with "internal homophobia." Liberals have an infesting ideological infection,
and yes these people actually exist. Even upper-middle class gay white men believe in the destruction of their own race/gender because of circumstances in their life causes them to justify hatred and violence towards a group. They believe all white males are an obstacle, and they pretend to be "principled," and moral despite that they represent everything they hate. Don't be fucking retarded and underestimate the idiocy of people, especially if it's because you feel like you have to cater to people who share your ideology. I doubt you're stupid.

In modern parlance, "liberal" means someone who is in favor of more income redistribution to pay for social services, along with advocating for multiculturalism. So yes, liberals are leftists. Virtually no one uses "liberal" to mean "classical liberal" anymore