>implying there's credence to any scientific claims about the afterlife or the soul
Stop being a fucking empiricist and start being a rationalist; you'll feel better.
Nathan Sanchez
Science is only hell-bent on finding out the truth, no matter how much is hurts. If you'd rather live in illusion, lies and denial, turn to religion.
Christian Cooper
>>Feelings are nothing but chemicals You might as well say "The Mona Lisa is nothing but a painting", or "filet mignon is nothing but food" or "the ISS nothing but a box". Look up protein folding. You really shouldn't trivialize stuff, Opie, but dismissing something because it's "just chemicals" is the height of retardation. You'll fly too close to the sun of full-retard and the wax will melt and you'll fall to your demise.
Xavier Wood
>he thinks science is about the truth You have to be at least 18 to post here. Science is about predicting the future with as little error as possible, not the "truth".
Jason Gray
When is science ever 100% true on anything?
Jacob Wright
>not the "truth". >When is science ever 100% true on anything?
So edgy. Except for "Cogito Ergo Sum", all truth is relative. Get over it. Technology is proof that science produces relatively practical truth.
Daniel Campbell
Arguing semantics, you fucking apes. You think science is about finding out the untrue then applying it? Get the fuck out of here.
Jaxson Cooper
>Technology >One of the most error prone inventions of the human mind >Proof of truth
What is more true than the human experience? Math? Proofs?
Elijah Moore
>Science is only hell-bent on finding out the truth, no matter how much is hurts
>all truth is relative. Get over it.
Michael Miller
>What is more true than the human experience? Go home /x/, yer drunk.
Justin Perry
lol no.
science is about observation, and measuring observations. Then we try and draw theories about these observations and the properties they imply, and improve upon those theories constantly. And we test those theories by repeating experiments over and over
pseudoscience gives out surveys
Chase Morris
I'm not moving the goal posts. You are, by implying that truth is absolute.
Owen Myers
Isn't predicting the future with as little error as possible just another wording of attempting to reach the truth in our universe, though?
Brayden Rivera
Fuck off, retard. Go back to church.
John Stewart
Yes, yes, so exactly the same as >finding out the truth
Carter Robinson
No. For example, if Flat Earthers could accurately predict the position of the sun, the moon, the stars, and reliably navigate the planet, it would be "true" that the Earth was flat. There would be several unprovable auxiliary theories (which would undoubtedly be referred to as principles or axioms) about distortions in time and space in the "outer disk" (previously referred to as the Southern Hemisphere), and a complicated mathematical model explaining why the Sun isn't visible to everyone on Earth at all times. But it would be a predictive model and therefore "true" for all intents and purposes.
The only reason we abandoned Aristotelian physics is because we could falsify it by creating experiments with very low friction. Good luck falsifying General Relativity.
Jacob Powell
How is ignorance an improvement? Is it more amazing to feel love not knowing the biochemistry underlying it? Nay. If anything it's vice versa.
Let us for a moment assume God exists. This is better than "nothing" how exactly?
If in ignorance you felt some elation, how can you not feel exhilaration once it is lifted?
It's utterly baffling to me how people can make such absurd assertions as though unaware of the awe of knowledge and the thirst for solving the unsolved.
Elijah Gutierrez
>If in ignorance you felt some elation, how can you not feel exhilaration once it is lifted?
Anthony Gonzalez
This is kinda like using a ruler a lot and complaining that turns out everything is either feet or inches.
Science is a tool for prediction, nothing more, it does not provide meaning, in and of itself. Figuring out how something works doesn't provide it with meaning. If figuring out the mechanics of something takes away meaning, that's your own doing, as meaning is subjective, only defined by humans.
Meaning has no place in science, it can neither add to it nor take away from it, in and of itself. For meaning, you need an entirely separate discipline - a different tool. One dedicated not to measurement and logic, but one dedicated to all things as they apply to one's self.
Just because you figure out how a car works does not take away its usage, and this applies to all things, be it your body, your mind. or the universe. Science doesn't tell you not to drive - that's entirely your own decision.
Andrew Baker
Ladies and gentlemen of Veeky Forums, I present to you, the enlightened anti-fedora.
Easton Perez
>This is kinda like using a ruler a lot and complaining that turns out everything is either feet or inches.
Camden Hall
I don't know about you but if I were the girl I would be straddling the bottom side
Joshua Garcia
Why do you need these things to be metaphysical for them to have meaning? Why do you see no meaning in the physical processes that make life?
Jayden Garcia
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Jeremiah Carter
I wish I had a second boner.jpg.
Nathan Davis
Wasn't GR falsified by quantum's spooky action at a distance violating GR's assumption of locality? There's a huge difference between reality and what people who say science tells you everything about everything think reality is like.
Nolan Flores
>If you'd rather live in illusion, lies and denial, turn to religion.
Adam Carter
Pretentious sounding and reddit spacing. Checks out
Jayden Parker
>electron >charge=-1.6e-19C >mass=9.1e-31kg >spin=+/-1/2 >meaning=8feels Finding meaning in physical processes is more delusional than finding god in them.
Owen Kelly
The universe is cruel and dark, there is no real point in doing anything other than mundane and empty sense of purpose.
Scientists do research to grow their egos, because that's all we truly have...
Stupid human emotions.
Connor Brooks
Implying all that isn't all the more amazing and mind boggling than "magic" and "god dun did it"
Angel Stewart
OP: Christfag assblasted by reality. Cannot reconcile his gigantic, throbbing christian ego with his own insignificance.
Dylan Sanders
This thread is cringy, Jesus Christ.
Lincoln Peterson
You're proving my point.
Nathaniel Cox
Would you rather live comfortably in the Matrix, everly unaware of reality; or choose to wake up in that wicked, brutal world of Machine City?
I'm pretty damn sure most people - including myself - would prefer remaining in the Matrix.
Ryan Cruz
>I'm in high school and don't understand how scientific research proceeds
Hunter Nelson
You've sorta gotta balance the existential crisis out by trying not to think to hard about those things.
Owen Garcia
>>Feelings are nothing but chemicals What else would they be? Either they're strictly mechanical and part of the universe, or they're not.
>>Memories aren't actually visualized in your mind What does this even mean? Of course they are in all but the most asinine definitions of "visualization".
>>No such thing as the self, Define "self".
>>soul isn't real Define "soul".
>>No afterlife Who cares? "You wasted life, why wouldn't you waste the afterlife?"
There is no need for despair. Most of your thoughts aren't even formed, and you don't seem to have an understanding of what you think you think, traced out. Your struggle seems more with formalism and nuance. That the hazy concepts of "self", "soul", "memory", etc, have many different possible natures to ascribe and it can't right just be this amorphous blob of feelings.
Your struggle is with the realization that very little "just is".
David Wood
humans who would dare to play god must pay steep price for their arrogance, THAT is truth
Isaac Roberts
Almost all the motivations behind a wasted life are due entirely to the fact it is finite. A poorfag and a richfag with the same ideal life will mean the poorfag wastes half his life trying to get rich enough to enjoy life. Almost every aspect of life considered a waste in the typical sense has something to do with not having the time to mitigate your inherited disadvantages or trying to bear with them. An afterlife, by comparison, is typically regarded as infinite and thus grants you the time to realize yourself.
I personally prefer the idea of an infinite afterlife in which your memory is wiped every hundred years or so because eternity would become torturous with total recall, but is still prefer that to oblivion
Gabriel Taylor
>Why is science so hell bent on tearing down the human experience while at the same time furthering it?
Some interesting comments here already, but the actual answer to your question is this. Our egos are our defence mechanism. When the developing being, the foetus, baby, or child, usually, faces psycho-emotional challenges which it feels will overwhelm it, creates barriers to protect itself. Emotions and thoughts which it cannot process or integrate in the moment become held patterns of reaction. They give security in the face of uncertainty. When someone with a strongly developed ego defence mechanism discovers science, the apparent certainty it promises is appealing; it feels safe, secure. The person adopts science as part of their ego defence.
Ideas which challenge the belief structures of the ego will be perceived as threatening. This will happen with whatever specific issues the individual has un-integrated, but it will also happen with the systems which the person has adopted as an overlay to their ego; science, religion, a political stance.
To truly keep an open, enquiring mind is far harder than it might seem. The instrument with which we try to make sense of the world is itself fractured and compromised by its differing needs; as OP says, furthering human experience, but at the same time denying those aspects of it which would challenge the structures of the ego. And none of us are free of this dynamic.
Levi Green
Its true fuck off
Isaac Mitchell
Science is uncertainty personified though. The central heart of it is to assume what you believe to be false.
>Science is uncertainty personified though. The central heart of it is to assume what you believe to be false. Of course. But we don't come to realise that until we have a science training. And by then, the investment in science as a source of safety is too much for many egos to overcome. And science results are assumed to be cast iron truths, rather than a pillar sunk deeper into uncertain sands, as Karl Popper put it.