Mfw the current zeitgeist is now online right-wing traditionalism

> implying Agamben isn't a crypto-Catholic paleo-anarchist

nigga, do u even read??/

"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce." Hegel of course usually worked in threes, and if tragedy is the thesis and farce the antithesis, then surely the synthesis is Trump, who is at every point a perfect superposition of tragedy and farce.

Why do you have to worship the ghost of Hegel if you want to be a "professional philosopher"? I have never understood this. Certainly his dialectic is the same as Socrates', except that he (Hegel) named the steps

What happens when capitalism is unable to deliver the commodities it does now?

Complete societal collapse.

Isn't a farce with world historical figure status kind of inherently tragic? And of Trump is the synthesis, who was the farce?

Always strikes me as odd, cause Veeky Forums as a platform is inherently anarchist.

I swear to fucking God if I see someone associating this thesis-antithesis-synthesis BULLSHIT with Hegel ever again I'll personally track his IP down and violate his anus with my fist.

This. Counterculture, even of the communist kind is commodified.

Che Guevara merchandise is a good example of this and it disgusts me.

The result can be mathematically proven by Poe's law.

You don't, in most universities. Analytics make up the great bulk of working philosophers, but they're boring as shit and mostly working on inherently intractable problems, so Zizek and pals get most of the limelight.

>Everything is commodity, Commodity is everything

Do you find that pumping your understanding through the spook of "economics" makes it muddier or clearer?

where does it come from then if not from hegel?

CERTAINLY NOT HEGEL. He was absolutely opposed to any kind of systematic 'one size fits all' qualification.

Fichte, and don't ever make me do your Wikipedia research for you againm

I don't think Stirner would consider Economics itself a spook. That's like saying theology is a spook, Christianity or non-violence may be spooks but theology is more a practice.

It's kind of true, though. Most everything the leftist dominated media puts out is a reaction to the "alt-right", however you'd like to define it. NYT just put out an article basically raising awareness about Evola, for Christ's sake. And it certainly is just going to escalate from here.

then what are dialectics?

>leftist dominated media
lmao

Precisimo, this guy gets it

Read Heraclitus fragments and the Platonic dialogue 'Parmenides' first, it's obvious Hegel would fly over your head.

I deride them for doing that.

Not because I'm a leftist but the trash that is Evola.

It's your spook when you professionalize it, become a priest of it, order your interaction with the world to correspond to it, and call others to do the same.

I am not Stirner, I do not give a fuck what Stirner "would or would not" have said, and that hypothesis is certainly not material to this conversation

A critique and pointing out hypocrisy is not a spook, retard.

The people acting upon this hedonistic momentary impulse whilst simultaneously deriding hedonism are the ones who are spooked. Simply stating 'spook' is literally NOT an argument, dork.

Fuck off, brainlet.

Pretty much, but the real left is minuscule and has no power whatsoever, and all they can resort to at thios point is domestic terrorism

Sadly the next stage of human evolution is neo-traditionalism, I detest it but I recognize that it's unavoidable

>ironic memeing is a political movement

>but the real left is minuscule and has no power whatsoever

Most of the country in a democracy voted for a leftist president.

And yet you say, "Capitalism always wins," and conclude that tirade with an assertion that the supposed "people acting upon this hedonistic momentary impulse whilst simultaneously deriding hedonism" will end up in "cozy little apartment ready to cast their vote on a computer screen." You say, "the wheels are in motion." I say, people are not wheels, and you believe in a fixed idea, the idea that "human interaction" and "Progress" are things that can be tabulated, the idea that you know the "best" way to predict the future, the idea of an idea.

Yea, hedonism (senses are everything, everything is sense) is hypocritical through the lens of economics. Economics (commodity is everything, everything is commodity) is hypocritical through the lens of utility, or "utilitarianism."

I am calling you a hypocrite for cynical commodity worship, which I stated in fewer words above.

This, lel.

>leftist dominated media
>NYT

They're not ironic anymore. Look at your pic for instance, DFW. I bet you first heard about him on here, and joined in on the ironic memeing. Now you've probably read Infinite Jest and unironically think he's a genius.

Seems comfy as fuck familia

thats just post irony my nigga

There is nothing wrong with that, in fact, it must be persued in order to break out of postmoderism with democratic values intact. (depending on what you mean by neo-traditionalism) Classical or Medieval?

I like to think some kind of "Eco-Modernism/traditionalism" will replace the highly Urbanized consumeristic, hedonistic postmodernism. It is Neurotic and abusive, careless, confused.

To be putting the essential end of money on the table (UBI, electronic money etc) will mean that the potential to misdirect and waste (Pro-fatty, pro-cosmetic surgery as human right, "they" do the jobs others "won't" because you are all pigs America) of resources will be high. Some form of discipline is needed. People need to stop "advocating" like a Californian Hipster trying to score points and actually engage.

- Location focused (possibly with environmental aspects)
- Sublimation (including more meaningful relationships)
- The education system to focus on objective success and skills not emotional daycare.
- Services over planned obsolescence for producers like apple.

I think controlled depopulation (giving the option and presenting the benefits) is a positive step too.

It either goes more professional and focused or it is going to get messy.

haha no they didn't

Yes, NYT is a hard-right publication like Breitbart

What is the functional, practical difference? If you kill someone 'post-ironically,' does that make them any less dead?

>neo
>traditionalism
lmao

>hillary
>leftist
something something overton window

it exists to serve the ruling class

>What is the functional, practical difference?
Pragmatic utilitarianism is just a point of view that holds no monopoly on the so called objective reality other than what you allow it to have.
>If you kill someone 'post-ironically,' does that make them any less dead?
from a certain point of view I suppose it might.

>neo
>conservatism
lmao

see how stupid you sound?

>reading anything after 1950

The Western world needs right-wing traditionalism to fend off the coming hordes from Sub-Saharan Africa. Liberalism or socialism simply doesn't have the intellectual framework to justify sinking boats filled with women and children.

Once that problem is solved the West will return to progressivism.

By summarily turning on whatever next becomes the accepted ideology.

go to bed capsguy

What's the basic gestalt of the current zeitgeist?

#killallwomen

>I suppose it might
In what way? The rest of your post has basically nothing to do with what I said.

i wonder who likes anime more between alt-right and sjws

On that note, are blacks inherently inferior to whites?

I agree with this. Savages are ruining our space AI party.

alt-right has better taste at least

I think you plan is great but far too idealist. The only way you can even come close to achieve that is through war.

On what criteria?

I don't think Africans would be able to maintain current levels of Western industry and technology, but they do make good sportsmen and are often talented musicians.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA

>In what way?
If we accept the metaphysical notion of degrees of death then we may hypothesize that a specific manner or intent can affect the degree to which someone may have died from a certain perspective in the conditions of our current language game.
>The rest of your post has basically nothing to do with what I said.
that your opinion and I respectfully disagree.

SJWs hate anime for not being progressive enough.

It's the only right-wing cultural industry in the entire world nowadays.

I mean they both watch aboslute bottom of the barrel trash garbage for the most part, but I feel like a SJW is more liekly to watch something actually good such as e.g. Yuasa

>talented musicians
Is this bait?

Whatever happened to the anime marxist tumblr teens

Art Tatum is one of the greatest pianists who ever lived

Spooky nonsense, when someone is dead they are dead, it doesn't matter if the killer did it 'ironically,' that won't hold up in court. What you said before had nothing to do with what I said because I wasn't talking about pragmatism or utilitarianism at all: the OP talks about the current zeitgeist, one poster says it's just ironic, I ask what difference it makes; it doesn't matter if Hitler was being 'ironic,' millions still died in WW2, nor does his intent or the effects of said deaths change anything or matter at all. There is only one 'degree' of death: that of being dead.

most sjws just watch sailor moon and bleach, plus whatever whatever seasonal pleb sol tier shit it popular at the moment

and alt-right watches /a/-tier shit, which is even worse

Art Tatum was not an "African", he was a black man born in America to black American parents.

There are many skilled musicians from Africa, though.

We were talking about if blacks were inferior tow hties thog

>There is only one 'degree' of death: that of being dead.
from the perspective of someone who has never died perhaps this is true but it's not informed enough to be taken as accurate.

The exchange began with Africa and specifically mentioned "Africans"

Someone of any race can be traiend in musicianship and it only takes a generation or two to interlaize host culture

People who have died don't matter. They can no longer directly affect the world, and are irrelevant. When the living view the dead, we only ever see a corpse. The only degree of death that matters is that of being dead.

Of course they are. They're the missing link.

All anime is bottom of the barrel trash garbage.

>not liszt
>not chopin
>not godowsky
>not ashkenazy
>not rubenstein
>not anyone that's not a nigger

Cringed a bit.

this pretty much. no ideology can topple an entity that has no ideology.

Cringed at your extremely inappropriate cringing

There are a few that are ok. Not like among the best films ever of course but pretty good

you use the word "matters" would you care to elaborate what you mean by it?

also I disagree with your two middle axioms.

>There are a few that are ok.
Wrong!

That's fine, I wouldn't say it's necessarily good enough to be worth defending so I'll stop

I like anime because it's strictly non-political.

I'm tired of Jews and Marxists forcing their views in my entertainment.

This is a good point, but have you ever seen, for example, a Korean-American country singer?

wonder if japan will ever get a japanese version of trump

>mfw traftionalism is a spook and we should be conquered by sub saharan afrika

the tide is already turning. the right become cool because obama and the democrats were in power and contrarians have a certain attraction. now that trump is in power, it's going to shift pretty fast. in a few years, being pro-trump will be like wearing a fedora

Considering how the establishment in Japan is conservative, and how the perennial opposition party is the Communist Party, I'd say Japanese Trump would be a commie.

Priscilla Ahn

i know japanese people like trump but do they like putin

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