PISA 2015 Veeky Forums

>be half Dominican
>look at these scores

I don't know how to feel. My people feel OK being low achievers and not really attaining anything. Fuck.

The perfect definition of a "happy fool." Probably because of all of the free pussy in the DR.

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Wouldn't it be nice if there was a freakin spreadsheet somewhere we could download and work with the data on our own?

Data
PISA Education GPS

The Education GPS allows you to download the full set of PISA indicators and generate country profile reports in PDF format.

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PISA Data Explorer

The Data Explorer allows you to create your own analyses and build reports from the PISA data sets.

2015 2012
Research Documentation

Assessment and Analytical Frameworks

The theory underlying the PISA surveys – what they aim to achieve and how they are developed – including background questionnaires completed by students, school principals and parents.

2018 2015 2012 2009 2006 2003 2000
Technical Reports

Detailed descriptions of the implementation of the surveys.

2015 2012 2009 2006 2003 2000
Survey Implementation Tools

Field trial materials, translation manuals and technical guidelines used to carry out the surveys.

2018 2015 2012
PISA Database

The PISA database contains the full set of responses from individual students, school principals and parents. These files will be of use to statisticians and professional researchers who would like to undertake their own analysis of the PISA data. The files available on this page include background questionnaires, data files in ASCII format (from 2000 to 2012), codebooks, compendia and SAS™ and SPSS™ data files in order to process the data.
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Kek, jews are brainlets

>jews

OECD site:

oecd.org/pisa/data/

:D :DDD

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I enjoy looking at education statistics, but some of these graphs are just bad.
Should have included negative scale.
The idea behind this one is just difficult to understand. The percentages next to country names that are not graphically displayed are somewhat significant in analysing the data.
No definition of top and bottom performers. Useless.
Doesn't even say what it's representing. Instead there's a related fact as the title, that you could clearly see in the graph anyways.
No title, gray bars against white background.
>R^2=0.16
Why even include it, just takes up valuable space.

Also, very few charts showing relations between statistics.

It's just one autists who keeps spamming this shit for some reason. Sage

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>estonian intellectuals

So basically the Chinks & Fingols (Finns & Estonian) own the top 3.
Since Finland DNA is White + Mongol rape baby DNA.

>15-year-olds
>intellectuals

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PISA means nothing because the way it is assessed in the various countries is very different.

In the west they just hand out a booklet to students and tell them to work on it and the kids are like, "ok whatever and they do it half jokingly".

In China and other, "MUST SAVE FACE" cultures, the doctor the results by picking the best schools and making sure the kids get the highest possible scores.

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Finland has super inclusive education. There's basically no shit schools over there. They aren't geniuses but they are raising the average by making sure that there are no long tail on the bottom end of the bell curve.

It's basically the opposite of what the US does.

Chinks are doctoring the results, like they always do.

>picking the best schools
Actually a closer look to the results tells us that the ones actually cheating are not the Chinese

Why do you keep posting this? It's like once a month.

>In the west they just hand out a booklet to students and tell them to work on it and the kids are like, "ok whatever and they do it half jokingly".
>In China and other, "MUST SAVE FACE" cultures, the doctor the results by picking the best schools and making sure the kids get the highest possible scores.
Another typical excuse by white people, this is why the West is declining, even though lack of motivation has been pointed out as one of the reasons for the comparatively low results in some Western countries, those claims are actually anecdotical or just accusations made in newspapers or image-based bulletin boards and not supported by scientific evidence.

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>Foreign students do better in Asian, Jewish, Arab, and multicultural countries
>Domestic students do better in Europe
I think we all know who has the phenotype, and (((who))) is trying to subvert its significance.

Eh...mediocre arguments at best. In Canada, East Asians and Indians comprise about 85+% of accelerated high school programs, not to mention being the largest demographic pursuing post-secondary degrees. Not taking PISA seriously means the teachers are failing, since it was meant to be an index of performance.

But if you were commenting simply because you are insecure about your race's IQ, that's fine.

Being below Finland is a BIG deal here in Norway for some reason. Being just above average is a big deal. I think we should be happy. Elementary school knowledge doesn't matter anyways.

What does it mean?

What a fucking surprise, if you are not really clever, you won't waste time and money for a foreign uni, because it wont be really useful or you.
t. international student

Shit diagrams, Island, Russia and Canada take lots of space but Europe is tiny.

So basically, part of the reason why Singapore, Finland, Japan and Estonia (for example) score so highly is that everyone else is consistently underrepresented in samples. These comparisons are invalid if the samples are not always representative.

Your graph suggests nothing of the sort and is not a rebuttal of the point raised.

Basically PISA only gives us information about the "PISA Target Population" which is defined as
>"all students between 15 years and 3 [completed] months and 16 years and 2 [completed] months at the beginning of the testing period, attending educational institutions located within the adjudicated entity, and in grade 7 or higher"
and those details may seem mundane technicalities because in pretty much all of the OECD countries all 15-year-olds are actually enrolled in school and in grade seven or higher, but in some countries it can make a big difference, including OECD countries like Mexico and Turkey, PISA tells us nothing about 15-year-olds that have already left the education system completely or are enrolled in primary school, again, that doesn't really matters in most of the developed world because pretty much all 15-year-olds are enrolled in secondary school, and therefore PISA results can be extended, with some caution but with a high degree of confidence, beyond the PISA target population to all 15-year-olds in those adjudicated entities, but in some countries the share of out-of-school 15-year-olds and the share of 15-year-olds who are still enrolled in primary school is very significant of the overall 15-year olds population, this is extremely important when interpreting PISA results because the coverage of the "PISA target population" rages from 49% in Vietnam to more than 95% in Finland, Germany, Ireland, Malta, the Netherlands, Russia, Singapore, Switzerland and CABA, again this is very important becase, we do know from independent studies that teenagers that leave the school early or enrolled in primary school are academically weaker than their counterparts in secondary school.

take again for example Vietnam, only 48.5% of 15-year-olds in Vietnam actually qualify to make it into PISA (the other 51.5% have left the education system or are still enrolled in primary school) if PISA was a study about all 15-year-olds, Vietnam would perform way weaker than what it actually does now, another example, even though Montenegro and Mexico perform very similar in reading, mathematics and science performance, in Montenegro 90% of their 15-year-olds are enrolled in secondary in school but in Mexico the figure is 62% if we were to add the other 10% of Montenegrines not enrolled in school Montenegro would perform lower but including the 38% of Mexicans not in school would make Mexico drop even higher, countries like Singapore (96% enrolled in secondary school), Japan (95% enrolled in secondary school) and Finland (97% enrolled in secondary school) perform above the rest of the countries and they do so with pretty much all 15-year-olds in school, somewhat different from Canada (84%), Hong Kong (89%) or Macau (88%)

Smart jews is a meme, kek.

What does it mean? Girls in Finland don't get education?

t.brainlet

Again this is really important not only when interpreting average PISA performance but also other dimensions like social inequality or progress, for example Mexico is one of the countries in which the students' social background doesn't have much of an impact upon performance but that is mostly because a lot of the 15-year-olds in the lowest socio-economic stratas doesn't make it into the PISA sampling frame, if PISA was a study was a study of 14-year-olds rather than 15-year-olds, Mexico would have a higher social inequality, and the same goes for a lot of countries, if it was a study of 17-year-olds rather than 15-year-olds, countries like the United Kingdom and Sweden would perform better and social inequality would be less because a lot of their lowest-achieving students leave the education system at age 16

8th Vietnam.
So is Vietnam honorary White now?

American Jews are smarter than Israeli Jews.
Also a lot of Arabic Palestinians live in Israel too, pushing down the average just like blacks in USA.

Some countries like Turkey, Peru and Albania have made great improvements in their average scores over the years while also decreasing the achievement gap, but those outcomes have been underestimated both progress in learning outcomes and in inequity because those claims do not take into account the large proportion of 15-16 year-olds that are ineligible for the PISA sampling frame, if one takes into account the changing proportions of PISA-eligible 15-16-year-olds in those countries is gigantic, for example Peru had an average reading score of 327 in 2001 but at that time only 50% of Peruvians were PISA-eligible, by 2015 their reading score went up to 327 but now 74% of Peruvians were PISA-eligible, in 2001 only 40% of 15-year-olds Albanians were covered by the PISA sampling frame, in 2015 it was 84%, in Turkey it was 36% in 2000 and 70% in 2015, all of this tell us that when PISA-ineligible 15-16 year-olds are accounted for, the improvements over time are larger than traditionally reported.

>USA: 58,000 dead
>North Vietnam: 1 million dead
>Damage to US soil: Literally none
>Damage to Vietnam soil: Disease, landmines, poisoned water and land, burned villages, ruined farm line, all infrastructure destroyed

America didn't win but it wasn't exactly a fun laugh a minute time for Vietnam.

Girls is Finland, Jordan, U.A.E., Albania and Macedonia do way better than boys, girls in Austria, Costa Rica, Italy, Chile and Japan do way worse than boys

>8th Vietnam.
See

Ebin

WELL FUGG :DDD
EBIN :DDD
Finland rank still high tho.

Actually the chart suggests that they are not "doctoring the results" they do not pick the best schools, I mean, schools are not even chosen by the countries but by an international contractor (which in 2015 was Westat and to a lesser extend the Australian Council for Educational Research by the way), of course you'd know this if you had read at least one of the PISA technical reports or at least see the OP's videos

Whenever an American or European wins an Olympic gold medal, we cheer them as heroes. When a Chinese does, the first reflex seems to be that they must have been doping; or if that’s taking it too far, that it must have been the result of inhumane training.

There seem to be parallels to this in education. Only hours after results from the latest PISA assessment showed Shanghai’s school system leading the field, Time magazine concluded the Chinese must have been cheating. They didn't bother to read the PISA 2012 Technical Background Annex, which shows there was no cheating, whatsoever, involved. Nor did they speak with the experts who had drawn the samples or with the international auditors who had carefully reviewed and validated the sample for Shanghai and those of other countries.
covered by Shanghai’s PISA sample, because years ago those migrants wouldn't have had access to Shanghai’s schools. But, like many things in China, that has long changed and, as described by PISA, resident migrants were covered by the PISA samples in exactly the way they are covered in other countries and education systems. Still, it seems to be easier to cling to old stereotypes than keep up with changes on the ground (or to read the PISA report).

True, like other emerging economies, Shanghai is still building its education system and not every 15-year-old makes it yet to high school. As a result of this and other factors, the PISA 2012 sample covers only 79% of the 15-year-olds in Shanghai. But that is far from unique. Even the United States, the country with the longest track record of universal high-school education, covered less than 90% of its 15-year-olds in PISA - and it didn't include Puerto Rico in its PISA sample, a territory that is unlikely to have pulled up U.S. average performance.

International comparisons are never easy and they are never perfect. But anyone who takes a serious look at the facts and figures will concede that the samples used for PISA result in robust and internationally comparable data. They have been carefully designed and validated to be fit for purpose in collaboration with the world’s leading experts, and the tests are administered under strict and internationally comparable conditions. Anyone who really wants to find out can review the underlying data.

Short of arguments about methodology, some people turn to dismissing Shanghai’s strong performance by saying that Shanghai’s students are only good on the kind of tasks that are easy to teach and easy to test, and that those things are losing in relevance because they are also the kind of things that are easy to digitise, automate and outsource. But while the latter is true, the former is not. Consider this: Only 2% of American 15-year-olds and 3% of European ones reach the highest level of math performance in PISA, demonstrating that they can conceptualise, generalise and use math based on their investigations and apply their knowledge in novel contexts. In Shanghai it is over 30%. Educators in Shanghai have simply understood that the world economy will pay an ever-rising premium on excellence and no longer value people for what they know, but for what they can do with what they know.

PISA didn't just test what 15-year-olds know in mathematics, it also asked them what they believe makes them succeed. In many countries, students were quick to blame everyone but themselves: More than three-quarters of the students in France, an average performer on the PISA test, said the course material was simply too hard, two-thirds said the teacher did not get students interested in the material, and half said their teacher did not explain the concepts well or they were just unlucky. The results are very different for Shanghai. Students there believe they will succeed if they try hard and they trust their teachers to help them succeed. That tells us a lot about school education. And guess which of these two countries keeps improving and which is not? The fact that students in some countries consistently believe that achievement is mainly a product of hard work, rather than inherited intelligence, suggests that education and its social context can make a difference in instilling the values that foster success in education.

And even those who claim that the relative standing of countries in PISA mainly reflects social and cultural factors must concede that educational improvement is possible: In mathematics, countries like Brazil, Turkey, Mexico or Tunisia rose from the bottom; Italy, Portugal and the Russian Federation have advanced to the average of the industrialised world or close to it; Germany and Poland rose from average to good, and Shanghai and Singapore have moved from good to great. Indeed, of the 65 participating countries, 45 saw improvement in at least one subject area. These countries didn't change their culture, or the composition of their population, nor did they fire their teachers. They changed their education policies and practices. Learning from these countries should be our focus. We will be cheating ourselves and the children in our schools if we miss that chance..

International comparisons are never easy and they aren’t perfect. But PISA shows what is possible in education, it takes away excuses from those who are complacent, and it helps countries see themselves in the mirror of the educational results and educational opportunities delivered by the world’s leaders in education. The world has become indifferent to tradition and past reputations, unforgiving of frailty and ignorant of custom or practice. Success will go to those individuals, institutions and countries which are swift to adapt, slow to complain and open to change. And the task for governments is to help citizens rise to this challenge. PISA can help to make that happen

Actually makes swnse

American during testing shit usually ramp up expulsions or other ways to prevent low performing people from taking it

I think issomething more like this
youtube.com/watch?v=ImmV3gH8iVk
more or less the same situation as in other anglo countries and the Netherlands, and actually in 2000, 2003 and 2015 the school response rates were so low in the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and Malaysia, respectively, that their results were not fully comparable and therefore not included in the PISA databses and in most figures

Why are you morons comparing cities with countries? Why are you not comparing Shangai with Boston? China's PISA takers are all from big cities. In western countries and Japan, the samples are more representative of the general population in education at 15.
And the part about being validated by an international committee is bullshit. The referee does whatever the Chinese command. It's their turf, and they make the rules.
This is all too typical.

The cheating is transparent as fuck. Not that chink apologists would admit it.

>The fact that students in some countries consistently believe that achievement is mainly a product of hard work, rather than inherited intelligence, suggests that education and its social context can make a difference in instilling the values that foster success in education.
It suggests nothing of the sort. Education is useless everywhere, including high-performing countries (even China). Intelligence and personality is heritable. This should be commonly accepted on Veeky Forums, since it is a settled scientific fact, but since this place is full of brainlets and shills...

Your video suggests the opposite of "cheating" on the PISA. The phenomenon described in all likely-hood significantly retards PISA results in the US.

>The cheating is transparent as fuck
And why don't you back up your opinions with some evidence? I have never encountered even a preliminary informal proposal about Chinese cheating on PISA.

And by the way, there have been times in which the OECD has removed data because of technical anomalies or because the data did not meet the OECD technical standards for PISA.

For example in PISA 2015, even though Argentina (except for CABA), Malaysia and Kazakhstan participated, their results are not fully comparable to those of other countries or to results for them from previous years.
Argentina (except fot CABA) had issues with sample coverage (there was a re-structuring of Argentina's secondary schools which is likely to have affected the coverage of eligible schools listed in the sampling frame, mdzol.com/nota/707847-la-ocde-asegura-que-no-excluyo-a-argentina-por-una-cuestion-politica/)
Malaysia had issues with school response rates (51% of weighted response rate among the initially sampled Malaysian schools and 98% (wtf) after replacements, see and ongkianming.com/2016/12/08/press-statement-did-the-ministry-of-education-try-to-rig-the-pisa-2015-sample-schools-in-order-to-artificially-boost-malaysias-scores/)
and Kazakhstan with construct coverage (national coders lenient in marking on human-coded items AND not following PISA Technical Standards)

In PISA 2000 results for Austria, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and the United Kingdom were not reported even though they participated, in PISA 2003 it was the same for the United Kingdom (again), in PISA 2006 the United States (only reading scores) and in PISA 2009 for Austria (again)

Incidentally, notice how there is not even an East Asian contry on those lists.

niggers got BTFO by asians LMAO

Everyone here is either a Sino shill or a naive Westerner to think we Chinese don't cheat.

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>Schools are not just places where students acquire academic skills; they also help students become more resilient in the face of adversity, feel more connected with the people around them, and aim higher in their aspirations for their future.

HA HA HA HA HA. HA HA HA HA.

Schools are where physical pavlovian training begins. Rise, shit, brush teeth, take public bus, eat shitty breakfast, be crammed in a room with 40 other idiots, be expected to behave, etc.

This is in regards to the US system. Complete fucking bullshit compared to private schools. I couldn't imagine a more inefficient system of pedagogy than the US K-12 system.

Put kids in bullshit environments.
Force them to fight against their own circadian rhythm, especially teenagers
Get kids used to "3 meals a day" which is horrible because most kids don't even fast. Which means a number of cellular repair protocols aren't even activated.
Have subjects taught by mostly retards.
Strict zero tolerance policies which defy the ideas of justice and reason.

It's a fucking horrible system here. It's 12 years of fucking babysitting and wasting your fucking time on immense amounts of bullshit. When I see the pathologies of society here in the USA, I see behaviors learned in public schools.

t. kid who grew up in Los Angeles.

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And the worst part? For wasting the most learning sensitive period in your life, they expect to be thanked and honored. Especially the administrators who are the biggest pieces of shit in the universe.

Not him but the Chinese and Indians are notorious for cheating and forging various certificates and diplomas.

Is Software Company #924 going to do its due diligence and travel to India? FUCK NO.

i forgot to add how shitty the food is. Bacon and eggs 1x a day would be far healthier than the shit menu the lunch ladies follow.

"Wow, a chicken patty sandwich. I'm sure glad that it's between two buns that block the ability of leptin to signal 'I'm okay and full'"

In a more perfect world, there would be a million tortures for the architects and soldiers of public education in the USA.

Yes, but again, do you at least some kind of evidence that shows that "the Chinese and Indians" cheated on PISA? I have never encountered even a preliminary informal proposal about them cheating on, as stated above there have been times in which, for technical reasons, some countries' data were removed from the databses because their data didn't reflect an accurate reflection of their ability and performance, in 2015 survey operations were carried by Westat and sampling and weighting operations by ACER and Westat, ETS with some sub-contractors had an overall management and oversight of the project etc.

Only 7 Muslim countries but >1/6 of earth's population are muslims.

>In China the doctor the results
>Chinks are doctoring the results, like they always do.
>is not a rebuttal of the point raised
>Everyone here is either a Sino shill or a naive Westerner to think we Chinese don't cheat.
>the Chinese and Indians are notorious for cheating and forging various certificates and diplomas.
Success breeds jealousy