Veeky Forums goes to war

You can go to war as a journalist without enlisting.

Either of us might be right at one time or another throughout history, but as a rule, and as a matter of principle, your stance is teenaged at best.

And I've never been attracted to the facile self-congratulations of those who merely recognize a disagreement and then seek, meekly, to "leave it at that"...proud of having discerned. One of us is wrong, and so it follows naturally that you are wrong.

>tfw I want to be a soldier but my nation is docile and toothless
It is to me an almost mythical ideal, an ideal that I'll never have the opportunity to embody

what country?

Germany probably. The kikes really cucked them after WW2.

What's a better viewpoint for an aspiring writers, enlisted or officer?

My diary desu

What's so great about being a soldier? At best you'll be sent to murder some brown people on the other side of the globe who pose no threat to you to further the interests of the global elite. Not exactly as romantic as it was. Not to mention martial combat is all but gone.

Australia. I really want to love my nation as a man should be able to, but I can't. There is nothing here to admire or aspire to and I grow more bitter and discontented every day at the passivity and servility of our people and government.

that's what I mean, it's no longer a pure ideal. I doubt there will be a conflict involving Australia that wouldn't be shameful to fight in as long as I live.

>tfw Canada
>tfw your leader says "When you kill your enemies, they win."

Why couldn't the old one have shot blanks? Why God, why?

I'm from belgium and I feel EXACTLY the same way about my country and the way it has now rendered the pursuit of romantic ideals impossible.

Join the French Foreign Legion. Fags like you is exactly what they need.

How many men harbour these feelings today? I don't want to die without witnessing a movement in our favour

>Join the French

Va te faire foutre, grenouille.

we should institute female-only conscription until as many females have died in combat as have men

>tfw to intelligent to join the army

sounds totally awful

>to intelligent

I ain't no Ox-moron

newfag

>not realizing nationality is a spook
If a war happened you should always join the winning side, otherwise and you're still spooked.

>being a little bitch is a spook

idk

>being a puppet in Mr. Goldberg's army

Veeky Forums YES!

>dying to fill/protect someone's pockets
cuck

You can always join up with the Kurds and help them fight Isis.

Or if you don't like Kurds, you can always join up with Isis.

I hate the idea of fighting for Wall Street or Tel Aviv, but if Trump is serious about Making America Great Again, I would definitely take part in The Great Cleansing.

Outer Heaven when?

>couldn't serve the army because my myopia is too high.

>putting yourself in harms way for trump
you poor stupid fuck.

Shhhhhh

>dude you know what's super patriotic?
>conquering a bunch of shitskins halfway around the world
Like I understand why you might think it's right or ethical, but patriotic?

He's not wrong. The mafia is a lot more organised than they appear.

Certainly the army isn't like any militia, defending the good people of the good city or some bullshit like that. The army is a geopolitical tool, and it is proud to be one.

it has better benefits than being a barista at starbucks. the only problem is I can't have a twirly mustache and dreads.

You need to actually have some combat experience for them to want to use you. Otherwise you're just propaganda, which is fair (because why the fuck would you want to use untrained westerners on the front line?).

why would anyone who is intelligent want to become a mindless tool for the elites?

I used to glamorize war, since I was a teenager when the Iraq invasion started and thought Vietnam Vets were mostly complainer pussies.

As I got older, and saw the IED war, with no real enemy, and started reading stuff like Chomsky and Tolstoi's non-fiction works, and showed some scholarly interest in the Syrian conflict and the birth of Daesh, I have settled into the conclusion that while standing armies are necessary, as are generally peaceful alliance blocs like Nato, for the most part service in the military is for the low caste, and possibly immoral. This doesnt mean that I totally subscribe to Christian naivete ala Tolstoi, but harming your fellow man is ultimately monstrous and glamorizing it is a fools errand. We must strive for Detente and rise above our animal origins.

see
I don't think my country is better than the US, or Denmark, and if ISIS rolled in, defending from the savages is ethical, but it is not Patriotic.

French foreign legion

I have an uncle with a twirly mustache.

>I don't think my country is better than the US, or Denmark, and if ISIS rolled in, defending from the savages is ethical, but it is not Patriotic.
I'd understand if that was his argument, because if you believe in such a thing then defending your country is certainly patriotic. But going out to take over people thousands of miles away?

The rest of your post is pseudy af my friend. Spooks n shiiet.
Christ, I wouldn't recommend that even to someone who mythologises the army as much as user.

As if working in an office and playing with your iCrap is being an independent individual.

>pseudy
spotted the pseud. self defense does not immediately imply patriotism, especially if the defense is a common one within your civilization.

and you believe that patriotism ISNT a spook?

>spotted the pseud
What a pseud.
>self defense does not immediately imply patriotism
Nor did I say it did.
>and you believe that patriotism ISNT a spook?
...No.

Keep calm continue your studies, the pot is only beginning to simmer. Wait until it gets to a rolling boil and we will have some fun.

This is true. I personally despise everything related to death, but it is inevitable.

Mattis, only guy in current administration who is smart. Reads like a maniac, watch some interviews the guy is pulling anecdotes from literature as often as history and perr-reviewed studies. He bring a copy of Marcus Aurelius with him everywhere.

Lots of idiots in the military, meaning if you read a lot and are generally resourceful and smart, you will go extremely far, if you can put up with the bullshit.

I would've, but I got discharged from boot camp after not being able to sleep for several days and acting crazy because of it. I wanted to go back, but they wouldn't risk it and sent me home.

>Lots of idiots in the military

Among grunts and low-level officerd, maybe. What makes Mattis unique is the cult of personality around him. There's plenty of other "smart guy" generals in the military. You can't get that high up the chain of command if you're an idiot.

>What's a better viewpoint for an aspiring writers, enlisted or officer?

Officer, no doubt.

savage af

>You can't get that high up the chain of command if you're an idiot.
lol

Yes, but under the threat of prison. Conscription kills motivation.

Soldiers aren't interesting when they're all drawn from one personality-type. When they were drafted and you'd have weepy, Owen Wilsony type faggots in there, war writers were interesting; now I would honestly prefer war-journalists' writing.

t. Master Strategos

What l meant was that the military has a habit of sorting out the Michael Flynns from the Mattisses and the Kellys.

at times of peace only fucking losers join the army my man.

it's actually a cozy way to get college and benefits. (eating for free for 3+ years and getting paid to study) but whatever, enjoy slaving away bussing tables.

I'm not a burger, so correct me if l'm wrong, but doesn't the military provide scolarships for people who come back from their tours?

Isn't that how people like Tom Cotton got to where they are now?

>The Vietnam War seems to have effectively killed the romantic idea of being a soldier
In the U.S. maybe. In Europe that idea went down with the WWI.

Except for the whole Fascism thing.

Being a soldier is only Veeky Forums if you got drafted.

If you want a similar experience (traveling to a foreign dangerous country to serve people for a powerful experience) before you enter your normie life, consider the Peace Corps. That's what I'm planning on doing. All the adventure without the needless violence in service of a bunch of morally dubious causes.

It would be different if we were fighting a genuine existential threat, but right now America is just killing thousands of brown people because people are still somehow terrified of terrorism despite the fact that it poses basically no more threat than lightning.

Newfag wow
Be a navyseal. All of them are shit writers so go be a good one

Yeah I did my conscription.

those words aren't my own btw. that came from my grandfather who trained pilots in WW2 and stayed on long after that. when I was finishing highschool I wanted to join and he sat me down and told me about the difference in people during a time of war vs not. I did not join the army lol.

i served the shit out of your fat ass mom's dick hole

So as he said, then.
>without the needless violence in service of a bunch of morally dubious causes.
But that's the whole fucking point.

How the hell are you meant to have a sanity-shaking experience if you're not throwing yourself into the bad stuff?

one of my childhood friends did this. they were going to send him to marseilles on his first mission or else the parachute corps, which is essentially a death sentence so his parents and a couple friends staged a paramilitary operation to free him. he's alright now but i don't think his dad is leaving him out unescorted.

I served three years in IDF and it immediately abolished any bit of nationalist feeling I barely had previously and it was shit in general.
I imagine it's different in countries where citizens aren't forced to recruit and have tons of depressed and unmotivated soldiers, but at any rate I guess it's a universal illusion that army service and wars in general are glorious, and I think you should find something better to do with your time then getting drafted and sent to some hellhole in the desert to die for the globalists.

still free krav maga classes are based

I still don't get your point

Good goy

>How the hell are you meant to have a sanity-shaking experience if you're not throwing yourself into the bad stuff?

That's why being drafted is Veeky Forums as fuck. But it just doesn't make sense to willingly do that if you don't support it. Especially because in a draft you'll also be surrounded by people forced into this situation, rather than a bunch of nationalists pumped to shoot up some sandniggers.

I'm just hoping Trump fucks shit up enough that we'll need a draft soon.

>But it just doesn't make sense to willingly do that if you don't support it.
That's exactly what makes it patrish. We all know how essential internal contradiction is to not being a pleb.

I've thought about joining the Army and going for a Special Forces 18x contract after college

Join Special Forces - you can have a manly beard and a thousand yard stare.

I don't know. Are you going to do this senpai?

stop romanticising everything you retard

for infantry the main part of the job is carrying really heavy shit, doing a lot of training exercises and above all: sitting around waiting. Most will never see combat and combat today consists of hiding behind some cover, firing inaccurately at some distant position, not killing the terrorists who's only equipment is some poorly maintained firearms from the 50s-70s, then calling in an airstrike to avoid danger because they're not dying and getting closer or changing position is a slight risk. With half of the ordinance from the airstrike hitting a nearby village and killing a few dozen grandmothers and children.

Being a fucking truck driver is more of an honourable and dangerous profession than a soldier.

This post was some real shit.

>tfw you will never be drafted into WW2

Is there a modern equivalent for those of us that want to experience? Does anyone know anything about the experience of the peace corps (or maybe charity organizations that serve in dangerous areas)?

I've served.

See you on the battlefield some day

in addition, soldiers for the modern world are archaic and useless. They had no place outside of war time in the past and today they're more like "just in case", hence why most soldiers in the past are hastily enlisted/conscripted unskilled youth. Something far more honourable and of a higher ideal is being a scientist or engineer. You can retain fitness and self-discipline while actually being useful to society. A cashier at a supermarket contributes more to the world than a soldier, a soldier is just a money sink, an investment in case force is needed (tip: it never actually is, it's just used in some shithole foreign country for the ends of corporations).

btw im a soldier in a fairly active non-U.S army who strives to be an autodidact polymath. Though those words are kind of memey.

I was thinking about going to Ukraine as a volunteer when the thing with Crimea started, but they're not taking foreigners with no experience.

I don't know of anything. UN peacekeeper seems to align to what you mean but you have to be in a national military to be a peacekeeper (as far as I know).

You could join a force that fights against ISIS, such as Peshmerga. Though it'll be quite dangerous, far more dangerous than being a usual soldier would actually. Probably the worst part is you won't have a professional military around you. You'll have glory-searching, low quality, armed civilians at your side. Nor will you have the aforementioned airstrike or other tech and support on hand.

Peshmerga's foreign legion:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3049019/Peshmerga-s-foreign-legion-fighting-alongside-defeat-ISIS-workers-ex-soldiers-brave-men-world-teaming-Kurdish-forces.html

Modern warfare has lost all its glory. The vast majority who serve are not participating in combat, they're mechanics, engineers, cooks, clerks, etc. It's just a vast, bureaucratic machine, and the jobs are getting more and more specialized. Even if you are in the infantry, you will likely never see combat- and if you do, it'll be from hundreds of yards away, firing thousands of rounds at a few goat herders. Most of the people in the military are either fuckups or just plain fucked in the head. Like everything else in our society, the armed forces are becoming increasingly specialized and compartmentalized. There is no more glory, no honor, no struggle, no heroism. Just numbers and digits inside the great computer.

>no more glory, no honor, no struggle, no heroism
implying it genuinely had those in the past

It did and we all know it. Yes, there was disease and death and horrible fighting, but there was a true sense of self-sacrifice and struggle in the name of something greater than one individual. The soldiers under Alexander, Caesar, and Napoleon all knew what they were fighting for. They made history together. Brothers in arms. Even in the horrors of industrialized war, they were fighting for something greater, an ideal, a nation, or for the struggle itself. There were tales of heroism and greatness. We write stories about these wars because they appeal to us on a fundamental level.

Being a geopolitical tool does not, as such, disqualify an entity from defending the good people and city

Officers obviously are from a more educated baxkground and therefore more likely to be literary. There are literally thousands of grunt memoirs and they are nearly all sensationalist dogshit.

Serving in today's militaries is just being a tool of feckless liberal governments. There is little glory in that. Reminder that junger joined the French foreign legion before the German military

how did you find that?