Rightwing Environmentalism

Alain de Benoist, pagans generally are environment conscious. Perhaps also technology critical thinkers like Junger and Heidegger as well

>implying that Peter Hitchens could even ride a broom stick horse without falling off

Nope. That's pretty much the gist of Linkola's ideas.

But hey, he planted some trees. Let's forget that his philosophy is even worse than Hitler's.

I read "Can Life Prevail" by Pentti Linkola over Christmas and it was one of the most autistic books I've ever written.

His main arguments seems to be that life is worse because people don't live like they did when he was a kid. He says eating moldy food and gone-off fish is fine because it never hurt him. He rants about the Finnish forestry department for providing misleading facts despite only providing his own memories of skiing across Finland to back-up his allegation that the country's suffering deforerstation. There's a 5-page spergfest where he complains that some company knocked down a telephone pole near his house and he had to cycle several miles to another person's home because he refuses to own a mobile phone. There's a manifesto promoting cat genocide because they're destroying local native wildlife. The dude's a mess. I was expecting some Ligotti-tier existentialism but instead all I got was a weird old Finnish fisherman talking about the good old days and sperging out because people no longer delivered fish to the marketplace via bicycle. Fuck white people, seriously.

I never understood why any conservatism or traditionalist would be anti-environmentalist.

Urbanism leads to atheism, hedonism, and moral relativity. Whereas ruralism is traditional, country life instills an appreciation of the spiritual and fosters religion, and there are closer cultural and community bonds in the country even as there can at the same time be a healthy degree of self-sufficiency.

Conservatives should do all they can to preserve as much countryside and smaller communities as possible.

I'm 110% behind cat genocide.
Anti-environmentalism is mostly a boomer thing. I don't know why but boomers fucking hate that shit. Centre right rich kids will have a semi-ironic contempt for "tree huggers" but thats because they want to buy shares in Rio Tinto like daddy. For the most part there will be a pretty bipartisan agreement one day (too late) that turning the earth into decomposing shit heap for the sake of share prices is not sustainable.

Cars have done more damage to the landscape and community life than perhaps even the industrial revolution's consolidation of population. Just imagine how many square miles of greenery has been paved over to accommodate them.

It's also well noting that Urbanism doesn't even require a city dwelling. Tönnes foes into this on Community and Civil Society.

People ITT are memeing about Linkola but fundamentally he's right. What is the plan guys? An earth of 10, 15, 19 or 40 billion? Some Malthusian processes will kick and then thanks to globalisation there will be some real Camp of the Saints tier stuff. We live on a planet of finite resources and we have a political elite which seems to universally believe that growth is infinite. Despite the fact the factors growth depends upon are entirely finite.
>inb4 le mining asteroids
Space cuck fantasies are the worst kind of delusion. It is also the only rebuttal I ever get to this problem. We magically get to some Star Trek post-scarcity wonderland prior to the greatest catastrophe to ever happen to mankind. Just in time no doubt.

Not just are we not even remotely close to that but every time some kid gets spawned by the Ganges or spat out in the Congo the potential issues get bigger and bigger. Time is running out and the so called environmentalists are more concerned about fag marriage than trees these days, much less the population time bomb they don't want to talk about. It may not even happen in our lifetime but at some point the 3rd world will bubble over into everywhere else and then all bets are off.

I think a lot of conservative kneejerk dismissal of environmentalism is similar to how leftists oppose some things simply because the right support them.

Right wingers should really remove the associations with the left of environmentalism in their mind and take it more seriously.

If a nationalist, traditionalist, anti-globalist politician were also serious and committed about environmental concerns, I'd think we'd have as good a political model as we could hope for, for this moment.

Unfortunately, there's also always that libertarian element who just wants less business regulations, even if it means more pollutants, which they will deny acknowledging.

There is absolutely a lot of that immaturity. I've experienced it myself and it is kind of funny these people want Taiwanese dry cleaners out of the country but are ok with Brazilian mining companies trashing the literal country

>we have a political elite which seems to universally believe that growth is infinite

I'd say they're more just kicking the can down the road. Same with every issue that's rising amongst the population that they're trying to cover up or downplay. They think Le Pen or Wilders or Frauke are "Far Right"? Just wait until the money goes dry and whites see themselves as an almost-minority in their own homelands. But, bring in more people to boost GDP (funny how general well-being isn't mentioned so much now, isn't it?) and kick the can down the road. Not enough farm land for all these people? Import it, and kick the can down the road. Wars for resources in the middle east and Africa (why do you think China is balls deep into that continent?), kick the can down the road.

And as for all the Utopians, I totally agree. It's really quite pathetic to see how they reason their way around all of the issues.

I think the real hurdle for true environmentalism is actually that too many people (even those that blow the trumpet) have too much going for them that they want to keep, but say getting rid of the Other's preference will save the environment. 4G uses about 20x the energy of wi-fi and the web and associated technologies accounts for something like 1/4 of the world's electricity consumption, but try and get some trendy city dweller to campaign for limits on internet speed when they love their NetFlix and Chill™. No, get the red necks and hicks to give up their SUV.

>extremism is right-wing
genius

atleast here in America, The Republican Party, doesn't really give a shit about Conservatism, they exist to serve the interest of the major corporations and Israel. Its crazy that Trump's secretary of state who is a CEO of Exxon Mobile is the only one that believes in climate change. In all honesty the "global warming is a myth" theory was probably deliberately spread by their corporate interests. Which to me is mind blowing absurd that they know what they are doing is destroying the earth and they have no problem encouraging more of it.

now you don't want to be like those stuck up queer democrat fags who give a shit about bay shit like the environment, do you?

Agreed, except that environmentalism is the ONLY thing I agree that strongly on with the left.

I mean... okay not exactly. I'm actually pretty socialistic politically and economically. But I consider leftism now as just an extension of the larger neoliberal globalist interest - progressivism being its claim to supposed moral authority as well as its attack dog (at home, abroad its attack dogs are "revolutions" and drones). The left just as much serve corporate interests. It's coming down more to whether you want to see the future global situation structured with this previous globalist model, or a more multipolar one. I am falling in with the latter, and yet I'm also fully environmentalist.

That's pretty based

I don't know why there is universal divide between Leftists and Rightists about simple things like transport.

All urban planners agree that personal use automobiles are responsible for the destruction of American cities and that isn't even including the American policy of bulldozing huge chunks of the city for highways.

But republicans jack them selves of over how big of a fag you have to be to not want to need a car and to want decent public transport bike infrastructure. It isn't even a matter about environmentalism, its just basic urban planning.

And these are the same people have a problem with the destruction of Western Civilization, yet their retarded policies give us the disgusting, inefficient, and ugly "cities" we know of today.

Same thing goes for aborting too, most of the people that are prolife, have no problem eating meat and will say that you are too much of a soft bleeding heart liberal for giving a shit those animals.

I really would love to be right wing but there are just too many retards.

Environmentalism beyond local conservation efforts is globalist. It is ultimately dependent upon instituting multinational, preferably global, environment restrictions. You can conserve whatever you want, but if China and India are still pollution powerhouses, it isn't going to matter in the end.

Honestly I wish that I could somehow make everyone collectively forget which issue is supposedly left or right wing, so that they could reconsider each idea on its own merits, sides be damned.

You might see people arriving at, say, being anti-outsourcing, but pro-environmentalism, and pro-public-transportation, but traditional in certain respects, but socialistic in others, etc.

It's such a shame these issues and positions get tied to different sides.

>one of the most autistic books I've ever written.
P-Pentti?

What's more conservative than CONSERVation

>There's a manifesto promoting cat genocide because they're destroying local native wildlife.

Sounds great

The conservatives of today want to "conserve" the period of boom time following the industrial revolution, when nobody really gave a shit about the environment.

>the bible says we are to keep god's creation
>that the earth belongs to him and not to us
>protestants who have never read the bible think we can pollute the earth as much as possible because god will save us in the end

i wish i could go back in time and kill baby martin luther and spare the world.

When have Catholics really adhered to that though?

Typical Catholic blather. God gave dominion of the earth to man, to rule and subdue it.

Gen. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

i thought the stereotype that protestants are dumb was just that

not an argument desu

>Rightwing Environmentalism
Tolkien, of course. Duh.

Surely he could stick some more shit onto his gun.

leftists hate liberalism as much as "rightism"

I think it was likely heavily implied Marxists and liberals were probably being equated in that essay

It was actually Catholics in my experience who held that line of reasoning. It is so stupid to think that God would make the world for the sole purpose of us destroying it

Bit late, but I completely agree.

To be fair though, a lot of people have to "act" as if environmentalism is stupid because they're responsible for jobs and won't be elected otherwise.
If it came with no cost, everyone would always be pro-environment. It becomes tough when your decision to protect a lake makes 50,000 people unemployed

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I have a hard time placing extremist neo-luddites in the right-left dichotomy. I dont think you can claim Teddy as your own.

he may be before his time. I was listening to NPR this morning, and they had fucking negro union activists decrying the dangers of automation. As far left as you can be.

hmm pretty interesting pic user. found this:

iqc.ou.edu/2014/12/12/60yrsmidwest/

has a bunch of them.

>negro union activists decrying the dangers of automation

They're right to.

Do you think that the capital owners will keep the proles around when they've outlived their usefulness?

neat

Worth remembering the damage the Left did to American cities. They were the ones who insisted cars and highways were "progressive." They're the ones who used federal tax dollars to force people out of their homes to build "modern" commie blocks. Then they hastened white flight with their idiotic busing initiatives.

My diary.

I just feel like a cuck riding the bus. Europe seems like a dystopian hell to me, apparently it's impossible to drive over the speed limit because there are cameras everywhere that will automatically ticket you for the slightest infraction. I routinely drive 20-30km/h over the limit so you can see why living in a country like the UK would be a living fucking nightmare for someone like me.

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you literal retard

bump.

Right wing environmentalism seems like it would actually be a pretty interesting philosophy in today's political climate.

Uh, I have an IQ of 100 so guess again :^)

Just read "Laudato Si." I don't agree with Francis on everything, but Laudato Si actually does a good job of advancing a more traditional, conservative approach to environmentalism.

Edward Abbey. The man didn't fit neatly into "right" or "left", but he cared about nature like nothing else.

Kaczynski was post-left.

>Abbey has also drawn criticism for what some regard as his racist and sexist views.In an essay called "Immigration and Liberal Taboos", collected in his 1988 book One Life at a Time, Please, Abbey expressed his opposition to immigration ("legal or illegal, from any source") into the United States: "(I)t occurs to some of us that perhaps ever-continuing industrial and population growth is not the true road to human happiness, that simple gross quantitative increase of this kind creates only more pain, dislocation, confusion and misery. In which case it might be wise for us as American citizens to consider calling a halt to the mass influx of even more millions of hungry, ignorant, unskilled, and culturally-morally-genetically impoverished people. At least until we have brought our own affairs into order. Especially when these uninvited millions bring with them an alien mode of life which—let us be honest about this—is not appealing to the majority of Americans. Why not? Because we prefer democratic government, for one thing; because we still hope for an open, spacious, uncrowded, and beautiful—yes, beautiful!—society, for another. The alternative, in the squalor, cruelty, and corruption of Latin America, is plain for all to see."

He seems like /ourguy/

>Europe seems like a dystopian hell to me, apparently it's impossible to drive over the speed limit because there are cameras everywhere that will automatically ticket you for the slightest infraction.
life priorities
top kek

Who else will they sell the junk their automated factories produce to?

I cant wait to live in a mad max like wasteland... but hey i will be free to say nigger i am rite

>He just doesn't get it!

Why would they need to sell it?

well said

>comparing abortion with eating meat