Would dinosaurs of evolved into intelligent life forms had they been given enough time?

Would dinosaurs of evolved into intelligent life forms had they been given enough time?

Nope. Evolution chooses what works, and size worked in that age. Dinosaurs had tiny brains, and we only gained intelligence because we're pack animals that need to communicate and can readily experiment with and manipulate the world through the use of our hands.

Communication came from our being social as a hunting & defense strategy, and hands came from us living in trees and hanging on to the branches, same as birds' zygodactyl feet. These experimentation & information-sharing tools came together to allow humans to comprehend abstraction, and the invention of the word was truly the experience that gave birth to the human spirit. It's why "the word" came first in many ancient religions, including in the Bible. Without fine manipulation and communication, you do not have the word and therefore do not evolve intelligence.

They have.

Your views on evolution are very humancentric

>Intelligent
>pigeon
You may select one and only one.

Pigeons understand probabilities and statistics better than we do. They intuitively use the best strategy in the Monty-Hall problem.

Chimpanzees are technically in the stone age, but they're very close to humans, so I'll discount them. However, other animals that are considered intelligent also share the traits of communication and manipulation.

The octopus has very fine manipulation capabilities and can learn by example very quickly, while communication is imperative for corvids, dolphins, and elephants. They're all considered intelligent, and they all possess some survival ability that requires them to reduce the world into abstractions. The dinosaurs did not require these things. Survival was done through brute force in their time, while it went more toward agility and strategy in the present day. It's why the animals from their time that possessed these traits haven't changed in so long; great whites and alligators have the prerequisite agility and hunting strategy capabilities for nature to not warrant many changes even though the hulking megalodon managed to go extinct.

If any dinosaur were to manage intelligence, it might've been the pack raptor, but even that would be limited in the same way dolphins & wolves are because they have poor manipulation abilities.

What would our world's intelligent life be if it wasn't for that meteor?
Huge lizard people?

Doubt it
We can probably all agree raptors were the smartest of the dinosaurs, what with their pack hunting skills and flank attack strategies
They undoubtedly had to have at least basic communication skills besides "I'm horny" to pull off that kind of shit
But what keeps them back is they're born with those fuckin awesome blades on their feet, plus super speed and razor sharp teeth
They're comfortable at the top. There's no need to improve, and therefore no evolution necessary.
Everything else was too big for their brains, or too busy trying not to die to have time to contemplate existence

>Pigeons understand probabilities and statistics better than we do.
True, they even invented the pigeonhole principle.

Probably not. Mammals never did.

Nope, it would be the same kind of shit as before but basically the whole word is a biome with no sapience, art, culture, and just a bunch of dumb fucking animals.

Raptoronoids

There is no guarantee of intelligence. Likely none would exist

Don't we have something like less than 0.1% of the dinosaurs that lived cataloged from fossil data? If you were to choose the same sample size from today you could easily assume that there were no intelligent species (barring any found technology).
Isn't it possible that there was an intelligent dinosaur?

Nope, they were given 500 million years, and what did they do with it? Made giant neck monsters and flying lizards.

>Implying they made the wrong choice

All these talk about dinosaurs and I'm just glad Jurassic Park operation Genesis is getting a sequel.

Corvids and psittacines are very smart, especially the most social ones.

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I need some context about this pic.

No tool usage/creation and language is what formed our wonderful brains. Also, dinosaurs ARE intelligent life you retard. Just not sapient or particularly mentally advanced. Of course some more complex brains could definitely arise but it seems likely that we are a very specific case. If lifeforms like dinosaurs dominated then I don't think weaker ones like mammals would do so.

It's very possible that it happened, given the level of biological complexity during that time their was many niches to exploit, now it may be intuitive to think that at those levels of specialization organisms would be enslaved to their etho-ecological niche, both by their environment and morphology. But it also follows that in such a complex environment being able to reduce the world into parts to be exploited would be beneficial, so behavioral plasctity and abstract reasoning could be selected for. This is the case with the evolution of primates and many other generalists in the tropics. Unlike some in this thread have so naively suggested, brain size is not an accurate predictor of intelligence, neuron density is. Also they could have evolved completely different structures that function more or less the same. There is a degree of biological determinism that comes with morphology such as the raptor claw example this user pointed out There is no bway to know for sure, ruling it out would be absurd.

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Lol dunno. Saw it on Veeky Forums. Apparently Spiderman...wants to stop Sauron from making people into dinosaurs?

Your views are so simplistic and naive

Because a pidgeon can solve 1 or 2 tasks doesnt necessarily generalize to all statistics faglet.

Obvious bait. Apart from it being, would dinosaurs *have* evolved, "had they been given enough time" is poor bait.

"Although the exact origin and timing of the evolution of dinosaurs is the subject of active research,[1] the current scientific consensus places their origin between 231 and 243 million years ago.[2] They became the dominant terrestrial vertebrates after the Triassic–Jurassic extinction event 201 million years ago. Their dominance continued through the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods and ended when the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event led to the extinction of most dinosaur groups 66 million years ago."

So the dinosaurs were around for some 160 million years, give or take the odd ten million years. How long exactly is "enough time"?

probably not, intelligence tends to only evolve in particular social creatures or species in-between prey and predator such as the octopus or the pigeon, the dinosaurs would of had no use for intelligence due to their large size and dominance so any intelligence would go to waste as it would not aid them.