Nrx literati

France is a post apocalyptic disaster area by this point. Kinda hard to make analogies with US politics, he seems closer to the ideas of the Nouvelle Droite, which precedes Nrx/Altright by decades.

Yet he is a marxist.
Being a critic of islam != being redpilled

And the ease with which it'll readily accept any religious tradition that promises it order and submission. Because the West in it's decadence became depraved but never lost it's nostalgia for masochism.

marxists are braindead
hollebeck is redpilled

get that through your thick shit skull

>/pol/tard can't accept the fact that his memewriter is marxist
His work is a 1:1 copy of Clouscard's work.

>libcuck doesn't realize that he's redpilled and thinks marxists are to blame for the state of the West

No. He more or less is showing the destruction of the soul for modern neo-liberalism, mindless consumption to fill whatever void you think you might have, be it sex without love, food without taste and giving into desires without forethough

Houellebecq takes cues from both conservatism and western marxist to criticize liberalism. He is above your shitty american two-dimensional politics spectrum.
Please read L'Être et le Code before making more stupid "le ebin redpill xD" comments.

marxism is a mental illness

He mostly focusses on the West though. He doesn't say anything about global society.

Asia is doing fine and will do fine.

Houellebecq has said on multiple occassions, and made it clear in multiple books, that he hates Marxists.

In his book, the one that is set in Thailand,( forgot the name ), he pretty much makes it clear that Asia is doing extremely well. That a new life and set of values can be established there.
But the tiny Muslim minority is enough to disrupt that harmony the majority culture is capable of bringing.

He's so incredibly islamophobic I love it.

>Platform

His most important ideas are based on marxist theses.
Also, hating sandniggers doesn't mean that he's conservative. I'm an anarchist and I hate those fuckers too.

fuck off nazi. how'd it feel watching your hero richard spencer get punched in his fascist mouth?

BASH THE FASH

Sure. But that matters for shit. Many intelligent fascists ( I know that's impossible to conceive for a North American liberal nut ) read Marx and Marxist works.

Have you checked out Zentropa? They've been playing the alt right game far longer than any burger. But they actually encourage reading instead of their no-fun-allow-anti-degeneracy campaigns through frogtwitter. They read Marxists just as much as college undergrads do. They even have references to Marxist sociologists, but of course all in order to support their agenda: solidarism.

Lol. "NRx" as in Neoreaction? NRx is an American phenomenon (and I use that term generously) deriving from some autistic ex-libertarian's blog. What the fuck does Houellebecq have to do with Moldbug? These are people who think the government should be run like a corporation and lead by a CEO. They literally think a guy like Jeff Bezos would make a good king. They aren't even proper reactionaries. They're Austrian spergs disingenuously trying to rebrand and market their sycophancy towards big business as traditionalist in some way to give it a prestige that it wouldn't otherwise have.

As far as I can, Houellebecq is a disillusioned leftist who has become increasingly culturally conservative as he's grown pessimistic about the effects of certain left-wing politic trends, namely mass immigration and the sexual revolution. More than anything, he's a pessimist in the vein of Schopenhauer who sees life as fundamentally negative. In his own words, he doesn't identify as a conservative or reaction because he doesn't think you can go back. He sees himself as merely describing the effects of certain things. He doesn't have the hope that his novels will change anything nor does he think that's possible.

This. Left-wing conservatism is the ultimate redpill by the way. Read Sloterdijk for more input.

This post is embarrassing desu

Nrx is californian libertarianism: ye olde renaissance faire edition. ie. nerds who want to get cucked by greasy bay area techlords.

The basic point of Soumission to not care about "muh creeping shariah" because no Euro can stop it, it's basically a parody of ((((((((((((Neoreaction)))))))))))))

>Zentropa

Could you elaborate on this?

no, it's a parody of the weakness and servility of European intellectuals

Western European culture is pretty much American culture at this point.

This desu. Remove all liberals.

u okay?

>no, it's a parody of the weakness and servility of European intellectuals
Yes, hence my post.

That is correct but we should note that European culture is to American culture what Greek culture was to Roman culture.

American 'culture' is a technocapital abomination, the corruption and debasement of all other human culture

>implying Roman culture was any different in that regard

"culture" is shit from the ground up you spooked ga

Spooks are spooks

>He's so incredibly islamophobic
He's not, just read/watch the interview he gave to "Canal plus" after the "Charlie Hebdo" assault.
While he indeed said "Islam is the stupidest of all religions" when he was promoting "Plateforme", he distanced himself from the statement meanwhile.
You can even read "Soumission" as a kind of Houellebecqian Utopia (of course not entirely) since a lot of his ideas about how a society should be are fulfilled in the moderately theocratic society he describes at the end of the book.
(Of course H. is a little bit enigmatic and you never know if he sais and writes something out of promotional purposes, if his first-person-narrator is a character or the real H., and even if the H. in the interviews he gives is a character or the real H.)

another point: in the book francois was leaning towards catholicism, but seeing islam as the more pragmatic choice for continuing his dying career, he converted.

Everyone I've ever met who says bash the fash has hep b and wears leather all year round

He has literally nothing to do with nrx and there is nothing more irrelevant today than nrx. Eat shit niglet

Hermaphrodites where worshipped as gods in proto indoeuropean religion, this only changed due to semitic, Judeo christian influence. Maybe 'being trans gender' is not degenerate, but actually the ultimate act of rebellion against the modern world

Good post - H. is quite representative of the sane, intelligent European; an old blue socialist with contempt for the right, the religious and new left identity politics. As for the States - its impossible to even couch the political landscape in any sort of normal political terms.

He was born in a communist family and was quite clearly a communist in his youth. I doubt he is one anymore but the imprint still shows.

>proving his point
If European culture wasn't based on commerce then American culture wouldn't exist

>it's basically a parody of ((((((((((((Neoreaction)))))))))))))

It's not. H. probably has no idea neoreaction even exists. France never had an equivalent movement. The fringest right-wing movement they ever had is the New Right and it's anticapitalist as fuck, even using Marxist tools for analysis.

>Hermaphrodites
As common as people with an animal head.

What we see are not hermaphrodites, but children being mutilated on the order of hysteric parents and other young or old individuals with gender dysphoria, a mental illness that requires proper psychotherapeutic treatment.

Many Nrx people are Marxists.

>Houellebecq is a disillusioned leftist who has become increasingly culturally conservative as he's grown pessimistic about the effects of certain left-wing politic trends

>implying this couldn't just as well describe Moldbug or Land

>>implying this couldn't just as well describe Moldbug or Land
But Houellebecq is neither autistic, nor schizophrenic.

The way Hermaphrodites were envisioned has no relation with the contemporary concept of a ''transgender''.

Yeah, Soumission was actually a plea for female sexual liberation.

Says who? You? And it harm none, do what thou wilt. Your comfort zone is just as one dimensional as anybody who uses the words trigger and warning unironically.

>And it harm none

I suppose the only way you can conceptualize ''harm'' is someone punching someone else in the face or something?

Because THIS IS NOT OKAY.

Veeky Forums has actually made me way more sympathetic to gays trannies and the like, the medium forces you to understand other people at least to some level

>Many Nrx people are Marxists.

No, they aren't. Their ideology is based on Mencius Moldbug, an ex-libertarian blogger whose political ideology can be seen reactionary flavored American libertarianism. There's literally no connection to Marxism whatsoever, and it's obvious when you read anything Moldbug has written that he doesn't understand Marxism or left-wing politics in general.

There are certainly plenty of ex-leftists on the far-right, but every single NRxer I've encountered has been an ex-libertarian, which should tell you something about how narrow the appeal for this horseshit is.

NRxers are simply really boring reactionaries who read shitty pleb-tier scifi and Austrian economics texts instead of Nietzsche and Spengler. They're not school shooter types and meth head psychos like Neo-Nazis, and they're not repressed homosexuals like Evola fanboys. They're hurr durr STEM masterace redditors. They're people who list Ender's Game as one of their favorite novels or otherwise brag about only reading non-fiction. Worse than being evil, they're just really, really fucking lame.

>>implying this couldn't just as well describe Moldbug or Land

Land doesn't care about anything except capitalism and AI. He puts the term "atomization" in sneer quotes. He's sort of his own thing with his own little cult and uses NRx to serve his purposes.

Moldbug is a stereotypical libertarian. He literally uses the phrase "teh internets" and makes Harry Potter and Monty Python references in his political manifesto. There's no way he's ever read a word of Marx.

Land wasn't always a Nrxer, if you read his early stuff you could take him for a tumblr inhabitant, if a little more deranged than usual, in 'Kant, capital, and the prohibition of incest' he even talks about 'neocolonial patriarchal capitalism' and calls for violent feminism revolution. There's even an ideology called 'xenofeminism' which combines landian accelerationism with some feminist/transgender ideas.

>The primordial anthropological bond between marriage and trade is dissolved, in order that capital can ethnically and geographically quarantine its consequences from itself. The question of racism, which arises under patriarchal capital as the default of a global trade in women (a parochialism in the system of misogynistic violence; the non·emergence of a trans-cultural exogamy), is thus more complex than it might seem, and is bound in profound but often paradoxical ways to the functioning of patri·archy and capital. Systematic racism is a sign that class positions within the general (trans-national) economy are being distributed on a racial basis,

>tfw nick land went through a 'woke' phase at one point

So much buttangrey in this post. Moldbug's playful immature references are only done ironically ;^)

>Yeah, Soumission was actually a plea for female sexual liberation.
Ergo: "Pickup culture".

Take that, cucklords!

>"they"
>undies in a bundle over a statue
If your logic is true, then destroying all of Arno Breks statues would rid us of nazis.

Also Lakshamana Temple with lots of cool statues.

There's no way on earth you actually believe this. Moldbug doesn't have an ironic bone in his body.

>NRxers are simply really boring reactionaries who read shitty pleb-tier scifi and Austrian economics texts instead of Nietzsche and Spengler. They're not school shooter types and meth head psychos like Neo-Nazis, and they're not repressed homosexuals like Evola fanboys. They're hurr durr STEM masterace redditors. They're people who list Ender's Game as one of their favorite novels or otherwise brag about only reading non-fiction. Worse than being evil, they're just really, really fucking lame.
> they're not repressed homosexuals like Evola fanboys. They're hurr durr STEM masterace redditors
My morian!

In the measure that his "submission" reminds me of the persian letters by Montesquieu

>The only resolutely revolutionary politics is feminist in orientation
t. Nick Land

bump

Yeah, I think he just wants to be witty and utterly fails at that. I've read "An open letter to open-minded progressives" and I can't stand his style.

On the other hand, while he might be misguided and jumping to conclusions, at least he is an independent thinker. I wish there were more people like him.

>To what extent can Houellebecq be considered a representative of European Nrx?

There is no 'European NRx' beyond palaeolibertarian reactionaries like Korwin. Most European reactionaries are palaeo-reactionaries. They are collectively known as 'The European New Right' and are both philosophically and phyletically distinct from NRx. These authors have value and are often insightful but are both different and often at odds with Techno-Commercialist NRx. Land's 'Fission' series provides indispensable clarification:

>xenosystems.net/fission/

>xenosystems.net/fission-ii/

As far as representatives of The European New Right go, French palaeo-reactionaries in general are profoundly representative (perhaps because of a deep --- even subconscious --- ethno-tradition of illiberal philosophy both reactionary and revolutionary).

Moreover, reactionaries outside of Francophone influence (such as Austrian economists, Alternative For Germany, and UKIP) are typically aligned more with NRx than with The European New

>neo-liberalism

Opinion discarded.

This is why Pinochet did nothing wrong.

I think an helicopter ride is in order.

>Lol. "NRx" as in Neoreaction? NRx is an American phenomenon (and I use that term generously) deriving from some autistic ex-libertarian's blog. What the fuck does Houellebecq have to do with Moldbug? These are people who think the government should be run like a corporation and lead by a CEO. They literally think a guy like Jeff Bezos would make a good king. They aren't even proper reactionaries. They're Austrian spergs disingenuously trying to rebrand and market their sycophancy towards big business as traditionalist in some way to give it a prestige that it wouldn't otherwise have.

This poster is right (although approaching contemporary reactionary intellectual topology from an opposing polarity): NRx is neocameralism. Period. Conflation of NRx with palaeo-reactionaries has been repetitiously problematical recently.

Basically:

Neoreactionaries: modernity is flawed because capitalism is too restricted.

Palaeoreactionaries: modernity is flawed because capitalism is not restricted enough.

This is our entire axis of meta-reactionary fission.

>The fringest right-wing movement they ever had is the New Right and it's anticapitalist as fuck, even using Marxist tools for analysis.

Francophone political philosophy --- beginning with The French Enlightenment and culminating in The French New Right --- has always been an antithesis of Anglophone political philosophy (which began with The Scottish Enlightenment and finds culmination in NRx) --- and has an explicit affiliation with authoritarianism and anticapitalism.

Or more accurately: many neoreactionaries are post-Marxists.

>People so new to political shitbloggers they don't remember when Nrx bloggers were all unironic Marxist accelerationists who wanted to bring around a Utopian Communist world by collapsing the establishment using right-wing politics

You obviously are misunderstanding Right-Wing Marxism:

> xenosystems.net/right-on-the-money-2/

Except this only describes land, all of the other people in his circle remained leftists.

Bump.

y i k e s

what the. i mean holy by dadgum...

This is Veeky Forums, bro. I think you might be lost.

Don't mean to get off topic, but speaking of NRx, is Moldbug's Gentle Intro worth getting in to?

This is Veeky Forums, bro. I think you might be lost.

...

Yes

Why all the threads have as the first or second post a weak bait from a guy pretending to be a /pol/tard?

He is in a way, IIRC he identifies as 'anti-liberal'. Whether that makes him a reactionary or not is anyone's guess, although by the tone of his books I think yes. I read a Guardian article about him where he identified modernism, atheism, materialism as 'less threatening than Islam' which can be taken either way (a lot of reactionary types would disagree). I'm inclined to agree with him on that, if only because I believe it is still possible for the West (or some within it) to recover from our current predicament as long as Islam is not a credible alternative.

American culture is anti-culture. The 'Western Values) our politicians claim to defend (tolerance, capitalism, multiculturalism etc.) are not values at all. They all boil down to inaction and apathy.

I think people are confusing NRx (the Curtis Yarvin type which draws inspiration from people like Hoppe) with 'Reactionaries' aka anti-modernists who are not necessarily affiliated with the former.

>Asia is doing fine and will do fine.
Asia is too diverse to be taken as a whole; places like Japan are not doing so well from a reactionary perspective (spiritually, for want of a better word) but so far have avoided suicidal mass migration as we see in Europe.

Islam would not be a threat if the west was not so hollowed out and at war with itself. Bashing Islam is anti-SJW levels of low hanging fruit. The Islamic world seems to be doing pretty well for itself, what with it colonising the nations that once ruled over it so perhaps we should take some lessons from them.

>The Islamic world seems to be doing pretty well for itself
Yeah, with its countless civil wars between shiites and sunnites and alevites and whatever other faction/denomination there is in Islam, the Islamic world seems to be really doing pretty fine for itself...

>What the fuck does Houellebecq have to do with Moldbug?
Wouldn't I love to watch a lecture with that title.

>countless civil wars between shiites and sunnites
The middle east is a mess, but you can be sure that Islam will exist in some form or another in 1000 years (assuming humans as we understand them exist that far ahead) but one cannot be so sure that ethnic Europeans (and the 'western civilisation' that is dependent on them) will last that long.

Europeans face an existential threat, Islam not so much.

European is an ethnicity, Islam is a religion. They're not the same thing.

If you're talking about Christianity and Islam, well, Christianity is a proselytizing faith, after all. It doesn't matter what skin color they are, so long as they believe rightly.

I think that's actually the secret reason Pope Francis doesn't have a problem with refugees. He's tired of all the atheists in Europe and wants to flood the continent with Muslims so he can lure them to Catholicism. He figures they'll be easier to convert.

You two ;)

>but you can be sure that Islam will exist in some form or another in 1000 years
i really doubt this considering it's not the middle ages anymore, shit moves fast