Ban Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Allen Ginsberg, Andre Gide, Goethe and THE GREEKS

>thread about literary pederasts
>user LINKS a pic
Yeah, I'm not openin that.

lol are they really banning milo for that?

same publisher released that con artist chick's book about an honour killing that never happened?

this is hilarious. i feel like i should put money on people who hate milo being okay with beauvoir raping 12 year old girls and handing them over sartre.

>people keep comparing milo to some of the best writers we've had in the last century

Stop fucking say this, it's not the same thing.

>farty and boo vore
>best writers
Disgusting perverts

>if you're dead and your name persists, it's totally ok to be a pederast

What's a pederast, Walter?

so its okay when they do it ;)?
are you saying that milo isn't being punished by left-leaning liberals and conservatives for supporting pedophilia (a crime that, being people who believe in equality, one would certainly think that no one can be above the law on such an issue), but actually being routed out because he's not worthy of being part of the literary aristocracy?

I'm saying that you're an actual great writer and one of the most relevant philosophers in your century it makes sense to publish your art.

But if you're just a guy, a dude, a complete retard with no experience in writing and no interesting idea whatsoever, and on top of this being so mediocre you're also a troll, homophobe, pederast then yeah, fuck off.

he's certainly tweaking power in ways that writers haven't since 1968.

sartre wasn't as good a writer as beauvoir, but beauvoir isn't exactly great writing either. it's not like i'm implying raping kids will make you a better author, i'm just surprised at the people who think raping kids only matter when you're not their favourite author.

if you hate milo for advocating pederasty and you don't hate and ban the other pederasts to the same extent, and even think some of those authors should be kept in print or kids should read them, then yeah, you have a moral problem that looks like you're okay with raping kids so long as good poetry comes out of it, but not bad poetry. and to be fair, wilde wrote awful poetry

>farty and boo vore
>relevant
>great writers
>even philosophers
Fuck off.

Plugging his name alongside great writers won't make your boy good or interesting, OP.

yes, its a shame those people weren't also censored by their contemporaries who thought their work was immoral and didn't have merit. i mean, probably some of the things didn't have any merit! so just to be sure we should have censored all of it.

So what he should've done is build a reputation for himself first and THEN come out as a pederast.

Gotcha. Solid strategy.

op lists gide goethe and wilde, so you fuck off

>implying your boy is even capable of a career in writing

>implying anyone likes Faust II
>implying Wilde's poems are good
Is your reasoning that since Goethe put his advice to fuck young girls in the ass when their vagina's broken in a couplet, it's more art than Milo who published free verse?

Goethe is the only good writer of the bunch and probably the only one that wasn't a boy-molesting fruit. How odd.

I say all of this as somebody accused by -- as frogposters call them, 'normies', -- of being a 'kiddie fiddler'.
Faust II is the second best part of Faust and not even by much.

I mean does Oscar Wilde really belong on this list when his shenanigans got him so totally destroyed in court and in public opinion that he died?

Its a poster on pol saying they got an email a night before of the plan to take down Milo

Goethe literally said he likes sticking it in little boy's butts and the only benefit women had was more holes.
>Faust II is the second best part of Faust
you mean it's shit and even well respected scholars can earn more respect by not reading it?

>it's shit
Not at all. Read it harder.

well yeah, his best shit is for kids or after he got BTFO for buggering kids. even his poetry got better. I wish Bosie had been blown out like that because that was a man who needed working on his poetry and French

even Veeky Forums isn't contrarian enough to think Faust II is good. fuck off where you came from or you're going to have to read Faust II

Faust II was good, you're just stupid and don't get the allusions even though they're all fairly simple.

Rage, rage, rage you fucking faggot. Your impotent hatred makes me smile. Milo is a trash writer and a trash thinker and he's banished to the darkness where he belongs.

Even if Milo and youre arguments are sound, maybe he could have done some downplaying?

Well... first of there is the parts that make it sound like pedaphila?

And pedarasty are two different things?

The latter is legal? Is this strictly about the latter?

I thought the water water was because of pedophilia?

Not a consenual relationship between adults; which still, could have been downplayed or just said :this isnt an important enough issue to potentially lose my carrer over to speak about this now in the open

I really want to see you laughed out of a literature department. Where you at, we can make a date of it.

Rejecting half of Faust will get you laughed out, yes, yes.

Academics always dislike what they don't understand.

>rage, rage
>rage you fucking faggot
Dylan Thomas has really gotten meaner and shitter since leaving earth. Maybe hell has no donkeys.

No, it won't. It'll get people who are Goethe scholars commiserating with you that you had to read it to judge it. You're actually so retarded you don't even know literary memes since before the internet. kekekekeke

>goethe scholars
I personally know one and she adores the second part because she isn't a 'muh tragedy' twat like you
>muh memes
Stupid frogposter.

Woah, nice source pleb

>women hate each other
Well of course she likes the story where Goethe goes Helen of Troy fanfiction. It's the same reason Twilight sells well.
>memes are from /r9k/
jesus christ kill yourself kid you can't even get references current to you

>sauce
You want the Venetian epigrams if you're hitting up this thread for lewd recs.

>memes from /r9k/
You'd know. Go back.

It comes from Dawkins, long before /r9k/ which you also don't know shit about apart from reading about Veeky Forums in online news. ekekekekekekeke. Try a book sometime in the next life, before you wind up with choruses like Faust II

so?

I've been on 4 Chan since before you were growing hair on your foreskin buddy

Whatever, newb, read a book before you post here.

I wrote that to the erratic person on their knees shouting towards the heavens "whyyy!! howww can thss happpeennn!! whooo is responsible!!!"
The link I posed explains all that.

I have, one of them being Faust II, which you clearly have never read.

>muh mary sue self insert fanfiction
I'm glad Goethe was dead so he doesn't know he had two werthers

Was the backlash about pedophilia, pedastry, or both?

Keep telling yourself that.

both with a hint of hebophilia, and an undercurrent of illiterates

>wake up
>see a picture of Ellen Degeneres on every other thread
What did she do? Was she involved in pizzagate?

>hebophilia
Though he was saying it the way, popularized by the lefties? That Paedophillia 'exists' in some people, and some people do not act on their natural impulses, and these people need more help and it should be talked about?

Isnt that pretty much all Milk was saying?

>Venezianische Epigramme
>literally satire
user... I...

>i bet user values my snide opinion
>on a truly anomalously bad work by Goethe
i think you need more faith than i
>singular
>they're all satire!!!
lol try reading.

Pederasty, I think. But people (especially in Anglo countries) tend to talk about pedophilia every time minors are involved.
Shaming of sexual deviants is a distinct Anglo thing, taken to the extreme in the puritan US culture
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender_registry
>Sex offender registration does not exist outside of the English-speaking world, however. The United States is the only country with a registry that is publicly accessible

Anything else would not be in the spirit of totalitarian democracy. And I don't invoke that term in a derogatory sense.

Do you think we're moving closer to the Athenian system? This episode definitely has a twinge of Against Timarchos to it, but I can't see mandatory democracy like Athens had or even Australia's current modified version actually explicitly being endorsed by these systems. You'd need something to shift the definition of citizens for the current blind populism of the American left or right to take such sway in a mandatory system of democracy I think. Perhaps I have too much faith in the unvoting centrist.

DO NOT REPLY TO MILO CONTROVERSY SHILL THREADS
DO NOT REPLY TO SHILLS REPLYING TO CONTROVERSY SHILL THREADS
YOU ARE BEING PLAYED

but his hair's qtier than rimbaud's.

Perhaps I have to clarify that my comment was based on Carl Schmitt's conception of politics as friend-foe-distinction and his opinion that democracy as a system taken to its logical conclusion demands homogenisation by eradication of the enemy of the people.

The enemy of the people being here the party that failed to assert itself.

From this follows that the current liberal democratic capitalist model, i.e. the west, is based on a contradiction as it combines a potentially totalitarian idea (democracy) with status quo consensus politics (liberalism).

Of course, this inherent contradiction was produced by the fall of the Soviet model of living. It is now being resolved by the rise of populist leaders who decry consensus politics as undemocratic, i.e. Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, etc.

This of course is true in a certain sense as there is nobody left to eradicate in a consensus democracy. Liberals must now answer this challenge either by eradication of the populists, thus becoming illiberal, or by imposing another political system, thus becoming antidemocratic.

Liberalism and democracy will ultimately part ways. We're experiencing it right now.

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I feel that this comment deserves an addendum.

The public shaming of sex offenders is an inherently democratic act insofar as it excludes (read: eradicate) undesirables from democratic societ, thereby enforcing homogenity.

Liberalism of course is in this regard a problematic ideology as it aspires to include rather than exclude, thereby heterogenising the demos.

I'd argue the semantic meaning of "liberalism" has shifted in the US any way. There're the hallmarks of forgetting their own history and it's already perfectly useless to discuss left and right with an American because they inevitably believe "liberalism" must align with one of them and often invert the meanings of both. Both the candidates decried consensus politics in surreal fashion in the US: Clinton and her supporter's belief that people she called deplorable would vote for her, and Trump's bizarre attempts to decry the populism that brought him there in the first place.

Democracy itself was not liberal. It funneled private wealth into grand displays of public duty, and it did so by making it illegal or uncouth to display private wealth. When Diogenes spits in the man's face because he did not want to spit on his imported carpets, it would have been lauded as a democratic move. Status quo consensus politics work just as well then as in Soviet Russia where everyone knows something is off but they know everyone else knows too and they're not saying shit.

The yummy mummies who talk about raising their kids gender blind in the American fashion are one of the strongest demographics for Trump. This top down account of liberalism ignores there's always far more good Germans than bad and dead ones running through the forests, and it's never because the president is personally hunting them; the status quo consensus is never liberal because it's always by definition compromising or already homogeneous.

tl;dr- I think you want to look at your premises.

He wasn't banned you asshole, they're just not publishing him anymore. People don't like pedophiles shockingly this makes him likely not profitable.

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I cannot see anyone in his demographic who would baulk at rentboys or sugardaddies to be honest. That is a fictive lost sale.

Diogenes doesn't need viral marketing, and he wouldn't take royalties anyway.

Go ahead, start a publishing company and publish him yourself if you want, you could clean up and no one would stop you.

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To be fair, user, I think the dude who's editor at Breibart can handle that better than me. If I had a publishing company, I'd be getting sucked off by Veeky Forums non stop in exchange for getting user first refusal.

You fail to understand that you and I are not in disagreement.

When I speak of liberalism I do not mean American liberalism but some very broad form of classical (social) liberalism on whose premise modern democracy is build. Liberalism in its broadest sense is some sort of social laissez-faire centrism that always seeks a compromise and never wants to exclude, lest it be deemed too radical.

Also note that I am not a classicist and am not interested in applying a classical defintion of democracy. My definition of democracy is inherently modern and based on the principles of the French Revolution and the idea of volonté générale

If you want to discuss that then make a new thread about it, stop giving Milo free advertising.

>viral marketing on Veeky Forums
For ten people or what?

French liberalism isn't that liberal at the time of the Revolution, user. There were some very fringe supporters on the left, but Voltaire was liberal too and a monarchist. This is like trying to shoehorn Burke into being solely a conservative, and liberalism to therefore also be a conservative idea. It just doesn't fit.

They really should have stopped publishing him for reasons other than boipussi if they wanted Veeky Forums to go on ignoring him.
kek this. If it is a marketing scam, it's pretty retarded. They don't get paid for books /pol/ will pirate for us. We don't even have to get one guy to buy it and give us scans.

They don't have to. They just want you to talk about him, trying to make a bigger "noise", especially on Veeky Forums which has a significant demographic he's aiming at.

He or his marketers deliberately provoked the publisher into dropping him. More buzz, more google adsense sees, the more it gets bumped, the more clicks his articles get, more revenue, more public exposure.

Stop promoting him.

lol I'll talk about any book I like, user, fuck you very much. You're not even claiming it's a badly written book, so I'm thinking you're more likely to be advertising than I am. You're like the living low paid incarnation of THE NOVEL THEY TRIED TO BAN stickers. Fuck off we're trying to have a symposium, only high paid educated whores allowed.

Again you fail to understand me. French liberalism is precisely the ideology due to which our political quandary arises. It integrates both modern liberal notions and totalitarian democratic ideals. These two ideologies will eventually part ways because the historical circumstances that gave way to their marriage have been overturned.

The sansculotte and the bourgeois were historically allies but today there is no common enemy of both.

Then you're either a paid shill or you're being played by Milo like a little puppet.

I fail to see how it's a special quandary of our age or how the previous systems ever made good on the promise to unite liberal notions and democratic ideals for them to schism like you predict. They never were miscible and this idea that there's a coming split implies that such a split hasn't happened to every French republic since and Napoleon in between and before that back to the Greeks and since that everywhere else. You seem to be making out there is a special era, and some cohesion that was previously enjoyed by this mixture is about to collapse in ways unprecedented since the French Revolution, and that's just patently not true. It's presentism with a splash of interest in the French Revolution and nothing else before or since.

The thread's obviously moved on to boipussi, how much are you being paid to mention Milo when he is clearly long past twink status?

But the split already happened in history. It's visible in the rise of socialism in the 19th century and the failed radical democratic projects of fascism and soviet style communism in the 20th century.

I am not implying that this split is something unique to the 21st century, only that it is appearing again.

But what I'm wondering is how you think they adhere at all for any period for them to depart and why you are defining the status quo as liberal as a defining part of the split?

Even in Athenian democracy, or in deGaulle's France, the definition of citizen (such as around German purity, metropolitans only, or for the industrialists women's and worker's votes and rights) has changed, and changed because of the status quo consensus, and not away from it.
>status quo consensus politics (liberalism).
is not distinguishable from democracy at all really, and certainly not liberal.

It just makes no sense to have your premise be that
>these two things which are the same but I'm labelling one liberal are going to split apart and then one won't be liberal

I'm sure you're trying to discuss something, but I'm also afraid you don't know what your words mean or that you're playing Ms Malaprop.

Have you ever read Tocqueville or Tönnies?

Tocqueville yes, Tonnies no. Have you read Burke?

But in democracy at least in some sense, the minority must be protected (I suppose this is done by constitutional rights?) so that the majority cannot vote to eat the minority?

ah yes. ban them. better yet, burn them.
we need another good book burning.

> and then he compared Milo to Oscar Wilde, Andre gide, Ginsberg, and Goethe.

>milo's "literature"

Get off the board breitbart shill. Celebrity biographies are not literature

>status quo consensus politics (liberalism).
>is not distinguishable from democracy at all really, and certainly not liberal.
Is this implying the status quo consensus politics can never be conservative?

GO AWAY, MILO.

And, btw, I saw Allen Ginsberg speak just a few months before he died. He played the squeezebox and sang a song about his own asshole. Would you like to champion bleeding, worn out assholes as well? (Oh wait....)

posts maybe 100 more of these exact same posts, and then maybe you and we both will be proud of you.

we saw.. maybe sneaky viral marketing... we got it... there are conversations going on... continue doing gods work user

>Celebrity biographies are not literature
>teleny
>if it die
>howl
>italian journey
wtf is wrong with you?

it seems to be saying the opposite m9, that it can't be liberal.

Should we star discussing the merits of katie price' s biography?
What about the life and times of Paris Hilton?

We have to have standards.

Your standards are probably retarded, and your panties are way too twisted about this for you to not want it gone for a different reason. I don't think it's good, but the people who want it gone worse than John Green are definitely not good allies, nor the threat of Milo being the only thread on Veeky Forums so large that it requires special attention over any other shit thread. The people who think these threads are the nadir of Veeky Forums and deserving of special attention are probably more cancer than Paris Hilton's biography tbph.