Which languages is the best for poetry soundwise in your opinion?

old occitan

Nahuatl

Italian, of course. French is a close second.

>Das Deutsche ist ein barbarischer Jargon, gerade noch geeignet, um mit seinen Pferden zu sprechen
Friedrich der Große

Yo. Zu schade das ich noch dazu eine grässliche amerikanischen Akzent habe. Töte mich einfach.

This. Also, Persian and Arabic sound great, but most of you plebs can't understand it.

>Schade, dass ich dazu noch einen grässlichen amerikanischen Akzent habe.

>Arabic sounds great
You have to go back.

ITT butthurt germans not accepting the truth
It's not a coincidence that when Krausse sings in german she sounds like a cat with bronchitis and that the most known band from your country is 3 mongols shouting JAWOHL every minute. Face the limitations of your language, it's not like it doesn't have strong points. Russian also sounds incredibly bad for poetry(ruined The Mirror for me) and Swedish in general. So I guess the non contrarian answers are the correct ones: french, english, spanish maybe japanese

Und ich kriege das mit die Grammatik nicht ganz hin. Zehn Jahre wohne ich schon hier, und ich habe mich selber gefickt indem ich die beschissene Artikel nicht gelernt habe. Mir ist das so peinlich.

Wenn's nur ein Weg diese heute zu lernen gäbe.

>ein Weg
Vielleicht solltest du auch Nachhilfe nehmen

>my first epic trolle

Also ob ich eine solche stupide Arbeit merken könnte. Ich kenne zu viel Deutsch das ich nicht nach fünf minuten zu tode gelangweilt wäre.

The "sch", ch everywhere and uvular r sounds make it sound like garbage. The grammar is so robotic too.

>Ich kenne zu viel Deutsch
Offensichtlich. Kek.

Man fick dich

German is my favourite language. Shame it will be replaced with a bastardised semi-Arabic language.

I don't like Islam but the Arabic language isn't that ugly. Why are you crying for something the German people chose (the majority had to elect the ones who made the decision)

youtube.com/watch?v=TATrYS_FW_A

Ich hab nicht gesagt das mein Deutsch perfekt ist, ich habe gesagt das ich zu viel kenne das ich nur die artikel ablese und sie dann merke. Ich brauche ein bisschen mehr stimulation als das.
Ich kann mich mit dir unterhalten, oder?

English isn't my first language, but Germans should realize that not all of them sound perfect when they speak English or other languages. For example, Most of the Germans that try to learn my language destroy the articles. They change everything.

It's not people's fault that their language's grammar is fucking retarded.

>German seems to be one of the worst for it.
Nur wenn du ein großer Plebejer bist.

...

>citing Breitbart

If you'd bother to check (but why would you? You read that american idiotic shit) you could check on how Germany classifies migration background:

>In the German case this approach harks back awkwardly to old notions of blood identity, argues Anne-Kathrin Will at the Otto-von-Guericke University in Magdeburg. To have a “migrant background”, it is enough for one parent to be born abroad. And the German system, unlike the Dutch, passes the status on to the children. Many Germans with just one foreign-born grandparent are classified as having a migrant background.

Source: economist.com/news/europe/21699473-all-ways-european-countries-classify-ethnicity-germanys-may-be-worst-name-date

With that classification classical immigrant countries like the US or Australia would have a majority 'migrant background'

Does this also include people with French, Dutch or Polish ancestry for instance?

One drop rule.

Old drop rule is illogical. Prove me wrong.

Yes, it doesn't matter which country.

The Breitbart screenshot implies this has to do with refugees coming, but these people aren't counted as Germans and don't count in these stats.

Für einen Sprachstudenten mit halbjähriger Praxis ist dein Deutsch gut. Für jemanden der schon ein Jahrzehnt im deutschsprachigen Gebiet wohnt - peinlich

Stop being butthurt hans you still have your enormous vocabulary and autistic grammar.

Arabic is the most beautiful language in the world don't @ me
youtu.be/alfJXT9m2gY

Ach i w rodzicielskim domu byłem złe dziecie
choć nie chciałem naprzykrzać się nikomu
a przecie
byłem ja między krewnymi i czeladzi gromadą
przeszkodą i zawadą
choć kochałem wszystkich w dzień i w nocy
nie byłem nikomu ku pociesze ni ku pomocy

Ja eben

Spanish.
It's a beautiful language and there's a lot of amazing poets both in Spain and every Hispanic country

>Why are you crying for something the German people chose
If your beloved commits suicide after decades of bullying you couldn't stop...

At the very least, Jews are killing themselves as well. They should have started with that...

I'm neither Hans, nor butthurt. Your post is retarded and your opinions are shit.

es kommt davon das ich die deutsche sprache nicht gern lese. das einzige buch die ich bis jetzt richtig angenehm fand zu lesen war "Der Schatz Der Könige von Frankreich"

So you would prefer to be ruled than to have freedom? If there were no democracy you wouldn't even posting here.

schön für dich

Democracy is not freedom. It's a "haha you chose your fate!" mockery. The only choice of freedom in a democracy is the choice to leave it.
Equality is a false idol, and it enslaves everyone. Socrates found out the hard way, and Plato formulated models for states which had freedom.

boah bist du kalt

>democracy does not have rulers

From all the system we know, it's the system that gives you the most freedom.

Don't cut yourself on that edge mate

Yeah you don't sound mad at all. Last post so you can calm down.

He's right. Take a look at some nasheeds, Arabic is wonderful and I'm glad they're improving the linguistic diversity in Europe.

>what is philosophy?
Gtfo.

Les petits homoncules roulent riant,
Pâles voluptes d'âmes et de gens,
Filant comme milles mauvais vents,
Niais puis niant, marchant crânement.

Défilent comme une vague armée en parade,
Arborant sourires et leur armes viperines,
Une rue comblée de silences et d'accolades,
Le fumoir consumé de l'innocence caudine.

Tout autour, jaillissent et jubilent, truculent,
Ces marées d'inexistences lasses et vides,
Pieds bots, unijambiste, contorsions livides,
Ornés sordides et crasse vivide, ils en trémulent...

De la sincérité interlope, en un horizon acharné,
Tirant or mort et argent désincarné, je me suis paré.
Ocres tours sybillines, silhouettes décharnées,
Un masque de terre amère, affrontant armées.

Le marcheur perpétuel de cents parcelles,
L'ultime paradigme, celui de l'irrigué oeil irrité,
Bathyscaphe des profondeurs humaines, sel,
Faisant fi, foutant fat, gardant pédance, iré.

Interstices dans l'âme d'un monde sans onde,
Les sinoques solliloques d'un amer solipciste,
Fendant l'air, volonté inavouée, prières bistres,
L'isthmique altérité de l'autre, vaine faconde.

A la main pâle crépitante, un talisman jubile,
Éphémère pilier évanescent et futilité nubile,
Crevant silence, sonant naissance il brille,
Fumées envolées en un ciel mordoré, me vrillent.

Les nycthémères courent et tonnent sous le pied léger,
Nos esprit résonnent et chantent les hauts lieux atteint,
Quatre bras et deux têtes, nous les foulons bien niais,
Les matins dont le crépuscule jamais ne s'eteint.

Le flot s'est calmé dans ce chaos subjugué,
Et son vent mauvais de mille petits gens,
Les murs ne sont plus de passé, ils sont blancs,
La lune couronnée vint alors me chuchoter, courroucée,

Qui donc chevauche si vite à travers la nuit et le vent?

日本語。

This can't be original, yet google doesn't give me anything

Why couldn't this be original ?

Lies. It's the least free model. In the case that I disagree with anyone. You see, if 99% of the people choose that taxing me 100% is valid, they will do it.

Because I like it

Do you have any actual thoughts regarding the matter or are you just in the denial phase? If you disagree with the majority, democracy is the worst possible model for society. Regarding your freedom.
Now, in the event that I were to own most media outlets, or the most influential one, I could choose their opinion for them. See: Trump, Obama...

It is actually, but it's kindda pedantic anyways.
Old work

>I like the German language
I don't. It's the language of Orcs.

Hard to refute an argument so securely ground in reality.

Well, I rarely read critique threads, because what I've seen tends to disappoint me, this however has a certain charm to it. Then again French is my third language, so I'm not that sophisticated in my appreciation of poetry. However, I like what you wrote, and I hope you write more and find a form of expression that doesn't strike you as "pedantic".

Je ne savais même pas qu'il y avait des threads de critique, en français du moins. Généralement les gens tiquent sur les mots qu'ils ne comprenaient pas et le sous-entendent. Merci pour les encouragements.

Wanna read more ?

Based.

Sure, maybe post a pastebin? I am merely a dilettante, though. I can't give you any advice on how to improve, just my appreciation.

pastebin.com/jtC6hSSw

Italian. If you consider Italian literature, the best works they have are mostly poetical, both in the long form and short form. Dante is greatest poet of all times and Italian poetry of the twentieth century is the GOAT imo

Recommend some 20th century italian poets you faggot.

>Read thread
>90% of posts are butthurt Krauts and/or Krautophiles
>10% answer the question

They really are autists desu.

Anyway, the answer is English and/or French. The former probably wins because the corpus of English poetry is so big (and a lot of it good), but French has Rimbaud/etc, which is a definite case of quality over quantity.

Montale (the GOAT)
Ungaretti
Quasimodo
Saba
Pavese

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:20th-century_Italian_poets

>I can't pronounce or read German so it must be bad!

Come on OPhaggo, I can barely understand the German being written in the thread, but at least I can pronounce and: does not sound ugly. German is honestly an extremely attractive spoken language, it wouldn't be a popular language to learn if it weren't. Why is it assumed to be an aggressive language? Any language will sound aggressive if it's being yelled.
Not inherently, it's just some dialects that exaggerate it, or some people.

I'm borderline unable to do a nice-sounding uvular trill, but the near-silent one I use has never lead to confusion.

Germans proving their autism yet again.

>If you disagree with the majority, democracy is the worst possible model for society.
>it's a 14 year old tries political discussion episode

Give me an example of a pleasant-sounding Italian poem

>monolingual anglo gives advice on languages

German is a very crisp language and is excellent if you want to make precise points. German is also a really nice sounding language IMO.

French is a very fluid-sounding language. French sounds really good when sung.

English is a bit in-between French and German, it can be more so what the speaker wants for the moment. I think this is because of its vast roots.

So we can pretty much all agree that OP has literally no taste, and that German is in fact one of the most phonetically beautiful of the major literary languages. But I'd admit one caveat: prosodically, German is not exceptional. It lacks the strong iambic drive of English, though English is an otherwise phonetically inferior language.

This guy also knows what's up. Chaucer's English is about as aesthetic as it gets. It's a shame, though, that Old English was not prettier, as the prosodic qualities of strong-falling alliterative Old English poetry are lovely. I have never heard a reconstructed recitation of Old Norse poetry, but perhaps that would be prettier.

But let us not forget Latin (and also its direct descendant Italian, although I daresay that classically pronounced Latin is superior even to Italian). The Latin language was so inherently beautiful that its poets did not feel the need to obligate her to anything more than the arbitrary and almost imperceptible restraints of imported Greek meter. Not only the phonetics, but also the crystalline logic of that language, are superior to those of perhaps any living language, although ancient Greek and Sanskrit can give it a run for its money. Which is funny, because from everything I've been able to tell, Proto-Indo-European was a phonetically hideous language, somewhat like Irish with an overproliferation of phonemes. Yet if we knew the prosodic principles of those primordial poets, the direct descendants, according to Vico, of animistic shamans, perhaps we should stand in awe of the savage gifts of those proto-artists.

I speak English, French and Norwegian.

Your move, Hans.

>cellar door

English tends towards smaller, monosyllabic units of speech which allows it to convey a great deal of subtle information while simultaneously being economic with its word usage. What makes it so good for poetry also makes it the best language for irony, and useful for cynicism and sarcasm, though the latter two are perhaps bested by the yiddish voice.

only in some regions tbqh with you m80

Well, OP was being a faggot, so he has only himself to blame.

Fat juicy disgusting bait

Non sono un robot

youtube.com/watch?v=-iEqx0Mmycg

I am German but why are our youtubers always beta faggots?

>Dante is the greatest poet...
Chi è Petrarca? Ludovico Ariosto?

Not him, but italian rhymes even when spoken. Still, i think it's a violent but respectful language, more suited for plays than poetry. German is perfect for scientific talk, but not so for poetry; english on the opposite is hideous for science, but perfect for verse

>Why are all youtubers massive beta faggots?

ftfy

Because European entertainers always have the style of beta faggot?

Vandalismo

Meu coração tem catedrais imensas,
Templos de priscas e longínquas datas,
Onde um nume de amor, em serenatas,
Canta a aleluia virginal das crenças.

Na ogiva fúlgida e nas colunatas
Vertem lustrais irradiações intensas
Cintilações de lâmpadas suspensas
E as ametistas e os florões e as pratas.

Como os velhos Templários medievais
Entrei um dia nessas catedrais
E nesses templos claros e risonhos...

E erguendo os gládios e brandindo as hastas,
No desespero dos iconoclastas
Quebrei a imagem dos meus próprios sonhos!

youtube.com/watch?v=DUzsNkKTXMU
The Infinite, by Leopardi (1819)
>Always dear to me was this hermit’s hill,
>And this hedge that always separates me
>From looking at the distant horizon, but
>Seated here and lost in an endless meditation
>Which discovers a vaster space within,
>Boundless silence and deep inner quiet,
>My heart is nearly overcome. And like the wind
>Murmuring among the leaves to which I compare
>Its beating, this infinite silence, this inner voice
>So with my mind I encompass an eternity,
>And the seasons die, and the present lives
>In that sound. And in the middle of all that
>Immensity, my thought drowns itself:
>Sweet to me, to be shipwrecked in this sea.

Italian when well spoken has nothing to do with what people think actual italian accent is. The stereotypical italian accent you're used to is actually a result of Southern dialects.

Sh sh sh sh sh sh. Portuguese is astonishingly ugly for a Romance language.

Not the Brazilian one. But the Portuguese one is quite ugly indeed.

Some Brazilian accents don't use that 'sh' sound.

A Brazilian that pronounce s like s reciting that poem:
youtube.com/watch?v=Y4qY2R7U-IM

>uvular trill
most varieties, including standard German, use a uvular fricative instead. A fairly similar sound is used for word-medial g in European Spanish.
Also, uvular fricative, uvular trill and alveolar trill are all accepted as allophones of the same phoneme in German...

I don't think German has more sch than English has sh, and it's the exact same sound.
Also, try Russian then