Where do the laws of physics come from?

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God.

They come from the observations of physical narrative objects.

Mathematics. The Laws of Physics are nothing but pure Mathematics. The right question to ask is "where does Math come from?". Were you to ask that, I would answer Math is simply truth, it's what there is, it's immaterial, it does not depend on spacetime. It is the existence of Mathematics (read: the Laws of Physics) that allows the Universe to exist.

>The Laws of Physics are nothing but pure Mathematics.
You are nothing but a pontificating philosotard.

reality is mathematics

>"The Laws of Physics are nothing but pure Mathematics"
>"reality is mathematics

>Where do the laws of physics come from?

The laws of physics are the best we know so far of how the universe works.

And the laws of physics that we have are really accurate, at least at macro scales.

In micro and sub-micro scales, the physics get a little less accurate, as we are still probing the mysteries of some phenomenon.

God made them.

Every symmetry causes a conservation law

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_(physics)#Conservation_laws_and_symmetry

Geometry.

>where does Math come from?
just some farmers in the ME measuring their land and counting their cattle, really

The universe Jews

Coincidence that everyone and everything experiences roughly the same outcome giving the same initial conditions. At least on the macro scale.

>Where do the laws of physics come from?
There are no "laws" in science other than by historical context. After Newton many cases of non intuitive physics were discovered, like quantum physics and relativity.

There is no "parliament of Physics" that can pass "Laws of Physics". Today we have hypotheses that graduate to theories once they satisfies the generally accepted process of science.

It is quite telling that the maths people here are still 400 years behind the times.

It jus werks

You may laugh at me, but the simple truth is that everything is numbers. Just look around. The shape of your monitor, the letters on this screen, the biological processes inside your body - the chemical reactions, the sub atomic particles, the flow of bodily fluids -, the trajectory of the sun, moon and stars. All of reality can be expressed through numbers, everything is numbers. And these numbers are in fact immaterial. It is the immaterial laws of Physics (read: Math) that allows the Universe to exist. Things must be this way. If you want me to expand on that, even Mathematics can be simplified into binary code. 1s and 0s. Existing and non existing. True and false. That is what the Universe is made of.

and who made numbers

Numbers are immaterial. Try to think of the number three. You're probably thinking of a horizontally inverted E, or maybe even of three dots. You can't think of the pure idea of three, because numbers are immaterial. Our Arabic numeral system doesn't even represent Mathematics for what it is. Binary does it better, because it's all about true and false, exiting and non existing. That's the fabric of reality.

This.

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Numbers are NOT some fundamental quality of the universe. They're a constructed logical system for quantifying things. They're a modelling tool, they are NOT the thing they are modelling.

You can describe a chemical reaction with numbers, but the chemical reaction itself is not numbers.

That's just kicking the can, where do the symmetries come from?

Jesus/God obviously

lol

I assume that's what you were trolling for?

Science is about falsifying theories.
I said that all laws of Physics are ultimately Mathematics, which is, by itself, immaterial.
So, please, falsify my theory.
Name one Physical equation that is not written in this language that is Mathematics and give me one example of any Mathematical element (a random number, a constant, a formula, an equation etc) that exists by and itself (for example, thinking of the pure concept of the number three without thinking of the inverted E sign or "hurr durr what three cows and three oranges have in common").
And before you say it, I can falsify your statement merely by stating the simple obvious fact that without the Laws of Physics - which are written in Mathematics -, the Universe simply cannot exist. Therefore, "numbers" are a fundamental aspect of everything. Your point regarding the chemical reactions is a good one, but it ignores that complex molecules are simply long strings of fundamental particles, which, by the way, are possibly all one single thing: strings (or, as I would call them, the 1s of the long binary code that is the Universe).

I agree that the laws of physics are ultimately mathematics, but that is because they are just models of reality. They are not reality itself.

If numbers are immaterial, how can material things be numbers?

Laws come from Law Givers.

Well, I like to think there is an upper realm, the realm of metaphysics, that governs what may happen in this material world. I'm not thinking about any god or gods or any spiritual bullshit, I'm thinking of a completely immaterial thing, with no color, smell, anything. There's only the numbers, the equations, all of them, just floating around, governing the physical realm below. And we are in this physical realm. So it's like a puppet master and his puppet, or a computer software and its hardware. The laws are just there and anything that follows said laws may happen. The Universe exists the way it does because these immaterial laws allow it to exist. When the last subatomic particles decay and/or are deleted by a black hole, another Universe will spawn, but this Universe will also be restrained to Mathematics. Maybe there is indeed an infinite amount of Universes that we cannot possibly travel to because Mathematics allows it.

In any case, your question is invalid, because you're implying that material things are numbers. Nothing can be a number. Drawing the sign "3" on paper doesn't make it a three. Depositing three one dollar bills in an ATM doesn't make it a three. You can never have anything be a number. The closest you can get to mathematical purity is pointing out what three cows and three oranges have in common. In that sense, there is a god that is holy, untouchable and who governs this physical realm. Also, while the laws of Physics can be observed (you can watch a rocket's lift off, or the described trajectory of a thrown ball), the rocket and the ball themselves are not the Laws of Physics, but are merely abiding to these Laws.

Will continue.

All of that is, of course, if we can even say that this world is material to begin with. Fundamental particles are points, they don't occupy space, so do they really exist? I think reality is closer to a dream. In a first person dream, there is the notion of space, of time, of different things occupying different places, but where is the dream itself? What space does the dream occupy? In other words, the dream, within itself, is material, it feels material, but it obviously is immaterial. Such is this Universe and our lives.

who made the fabric of reality

See the transcripts for the landmark legal case that it was based on:

Newton v. God

we really don't want you to expand on that.

>Newton v. God

seems like that old supernatural faggot looses every single lawsuit he gets involved in, no matter against who or what

>Darwin v God
>Hitler v God
>atomic bomb v God
>internet porn v God
>Galilei v God

Your talent would be wasted on mere mathematics, the academics would only laugh at you, along with undergrads (as they are right now). You should definitely study philosophy, there are few people on your level there who will be able to take your brilliant ideas seriously. So, user, i advise you to apply to philosophy in 4 years when you're done with highschool. I believe in you.

What number are you? I'm like, seven, my dude

You are like a little baby

>There is no "parliament of Physics" that can pass "Laws of Physics". Today we have hypotheses that graduate to theories once they satisfies the generally accepted process of science.
Way to state the obvious retard. But the fact is that the universe has a certain order to it, that's what OP is asking about.

>I said that all laws of Physics are ultimately Mathematics, which is, by itself, immaterial.
No Physicist would ever claim this.

Vibrating multidimensional strings

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>being mad because brainletism

>not understanding that mathematics is just philosophy
brainlet detected

The jews

Took you a while to realise it's sarcasm, eh? Chances are against you.
I think i somewhat agree with that statement. After pondering for long minutes while doing my nightly excreaton ritual, i've come to conclusion that might please you pseuds and "philosophers".
Mathematics is philosophy done right, or philosophy 2.0 in CS-speak. Philosophy asks wrong questions that lead to dead-ends and, ultimately bear no significance, no reason. Mathematics asks better questions and as such has become the lingua franca of science or, as you think, the universe itself.

>Vibrating
kek

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where does god come from?

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No idea, so I'll throw some ideas in the thread.

1) Those laws come from math: We find a way to derive all the physical laws by pure math itself, showing that the violation of any such law would leed to fundamental mathematical error.
(this would still lead to the question: where did math came from)

2) There is a natural selection of universes, instead of genes we have things like different matter to anti-matter ratio, different laws of physics, different constants of nature and so on... those universes reproduce in some way. I see people talking about black holes, but our universe does not seem really tuned for black holes, I think that life(our universe is weirdly tuned for life) may be the way the universe reproduces.
(now you have two questions: where did life came from? Where did the universes came from)

3) God, or something like God.
(where did God came from?)

4)There are a bunch of bubble universes, each one with different laws and sheit.
(sounds stupid, answers nothing)

5) Jews invented them to sell pop-sci books about string theory.
(probably best theory)

Absolutely kek.
For the laws this applies to, this is clearly the right answer. It is a very deep result and should be known if you want to have this discussion.

12th dimension

>4)There are a bunch of bubble universes, each one with different laws

youtu.be/IcxptIJS7kQ?t=24m40s

Someone's brain

Lol this post is funny af

Nope, not even close. Just a moron who never math a girl or real friends

Lobbyists and Congressmen
They are responsible for creating our laws.