Was Socrates right, Veeky Forums?
Was Socrates right, Veeky Forums?
Benjamin Powell
Isaiah James
It certaintly made it worse
Jacob Harris
He was wrong about literally everything.
Kayden Jenkins
We could test this. Get a person with a PhD in literature and put him in a memory game match with an illiterate African, then we'll see who has the better memory.
Christian James
that would be hemlock
Jacob Murphy
Not totally right, writing and reading saves us from being a society of total autists and enlightens the masses to at least some form of labor with life satisfaction.
otherwise it would be like old times, uneducated kings born of a lineage, the few smart guys are hermits, the masses shit and piss and raise chickens.
Adam Turner
That would be Veeky Forums, I haven't read a book since 2003
Lincoln Smith
There were no other survivors.
Family members arriving at the scene of the fifth-century-B.C. banquet
hall catastrophe pawed at the debris for signs of their loved ones—rings,
sandals, anything that would allowthem to identify their kin for proper
burial. Minutes earlier, the Greek poet Simonides of Ceos had stood to
deliver an ode in celebration of Scopas, a Thessalian nobleman. As
Simonides sat down, a messenger tapped him on the shoulder. Two
young men on horseback were waiting outside, anxious to tell him
something. He stood up again and walked out the door. At the very moment he crossed the threshold, the roof of the banquet hall collapsed
in a thundering plume of marble shards and dust. He stood nowbefore a landscape of rubble and entombed bodies. The
air, which had been filled with boisterous laughter moments before, was
smoky and silent. Teams of rescuers set to work frantically digging
through the collapsed building. The corpses they pulled out of the wreckage were mangled beyond recognition. No one could even say for
sure who had been inside. One tragedy compounded another.
Then something remarkable happened that would change forever how
people thought about their memories. Simonides sealed his senses to
the chaos around him and reversed time in his mind. The piles of marble
returned to pillars and the scattered frieze fragments reassembled in the
air above. The stoneware scattered in the debris re-formed into bowls.
The splinters of wood poking above the ruins once again became a
table. Simonides caught a glimpse of each of the banquet guests at his
seat, carrying on oblivious to the impending catastrophe. He sawScopas
laughing at the head of the table, a fellowpoet sitting across from him
sponging up the remnants of his meal with a piece of bread, a nobleman
smirking. He turned to the windowand sawthe messengers approaching,
as if with some important news.
Simonides opened his eyes. He took each of the hysterical relatives
by the hand and, carefully stepping over the debris, guided them, one by
one, to the spots in the rubble where their loved ones had been sitting.
At that moment, according to legend, the art of memory was born.
Thomas Wright
I think it does a bit
just like the Internet and immediate access to whatever piece information discourages actually remembering what you just read
Mason Baker
it destroys attention
Connor Wilson
TL;DR: pure memory is an autism party trick
source: myself
capitalessence.com
after reading this book and mastering the memory technique (which works) it is true the brain can memorize anything and recall anything at will
but you end up allocating all of your brains resources to maintain those sensory encrypted "memory palaces"
for example 259324759183 (randomly just hit muh keyboard)
259 324 759 183
>en.wikipedia.org
0c cero
1t (t has 1 line)
2n (n has two lines)
3m (m has three lines)
4R (fouR)
5V (obviously v = 5)
6 sh (shix)
7h (heaven)
8B (b looks like 8)
9P (p and 9 look alike)
259 324 759 183
nvp mnr hvp cbm
>PAO SYSTEM
>PERSON ACTION OBJECT
napoleon vacuumed poop (nvp)
menelaos named roosters (mnr)
homer vaccinated pidgeons (hvp)
telemachus bought munster-cheese (tbm)
then i would just place it at four landmarks
1) at my mailbox is napoleon vacuumed poop (nvp) (259)
2) in my driveway menelaos named roosters (mnr) (324)
3) at my front door homer vaccinated pidgeons (hvp) (759)
4) in my living room telemachus bought munster-cheese (tbm) (183)
at which point all i would have to do is imagine these scenes at these places, then walk from mailbox to my living room.
is it stupidly unnecessary? yes. i can permanently recall the random series 259324759183 now. SUPER !!
ps. dont memorize your credit card this way, unless you want to perfectly recall your number to someone when you black out. (personal experience)
Jaxon Morales
b-beautiful
Brody Morris
Smart people can be wrong
Aaron Hughes
>Socrates
>smart
Colton Gray
...
Lucas Hernandez
lel that is actually what Varg Vikernes says.
Christian Perry
>Socrates was right. As people grew accustomed to writing down their thoughts and reading the thoughts others had written down, they became less dependent on the contents of their own memory. What once had to be stored in the head could instead be stored on tablets and scrolls or between the covers of codices. People began, as the great orator had predicted, to call things to mind not “from within themselves, but by means of external marks.” The reliance on personal memory diminished further with the spread of the letterpress and the attendant expansion of publishing and literacy. Books and journals, at hand in libraries or on the shelves in private homes, became supplements to the brain’s biological storehouse. People didn’t have to memorize everything anymore. They could look it up.
Zachary Cruz
Nicholas Carr?
Alexander Sullivan
And images do the same.
Do you remember fapping simply to your imagination ? I wonder if kids today still experience it.
Ryan Nelson
>Socrates
>historically real
Jordan Brooks
>In Plato’s Phaedrus, Socrates describes how the Egyptian god Theuth,
inventor of writing, came to Thamus, the king of Egypt, and offered to
bestow his wonderful invention upon the Egyptian people. “Here is a
branch of learning that will ... improve their memories,” Theuth said to the
Egyptian king. “My discovery provides a recipe for both memory and
wisdom.” But Thamus was reluctant to accept the gift. “If men learn this, it
will implant forgetfulness in their souls,” he told the god. “They will cease to
exercise their memory and become forgetful; they will rely on that which is
written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves,
but by means of external marks. What you have discovered is a recipe not
for memory, but for reminding. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your
disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without
teaching them anything, you will make them seem to know much, while for
the most part they will know nothing. And as men filled not with wisdom but
with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellow-men.”
Socrates goes on to disparage the idea of passing on his own
knowledge through writing, saying it would be “singularly simple-minded to
believe that written words can do anything more than remind one of what
one already knows.” Writing, for Socrates, could never be anything more
than a cue for memory—a way of calling to mind information already in
one’s head. Socrates feared that writing would lead the culture down a
treacherous path toward intellectual and moral decay, because even while
the quantity of knowledge available to people might increase, they
themselves would come to resemble empty vessels. Iwonder if Socrates
would have appreciated the flagrant irony: It’s only because his pupils Plato
and Xenophon put his disdain for the written word into written words that
we have any knowledge of it today.
Socrates lived in the fifth century B.C., at a time when writing was
ascendant inGreece, and his own views were already becoming
antiquated. Why was he so put off by the idea of putting pen to paper?
Securing memories on the page would seem to be an immensely superior
way of retaining knowledge compared to trying to hold it in the brain. The
brain is always making mistakes, forgetting, misremembering. Writing is
how we overcome those essential biological constraints. It allows our memories to be pulled out of the fallible wetware of the brain and secured
on the less fallible page, where they can be made permanent and (one
sometimes hopes) disseminated far, wide, and across time.
Anthony Young
...
Robert Evans
>Do you remember fapping simply to your imagination
Yes because I still do that. And I consume an order of magnitude more porn than the average person in a variety that is both vast and horrifying in its perversion. And yet there are times when only my imagination is capable of getting me off because I can't find anything to scratch a few particular itches. The idea that porn dulls your imagination is ludicrous, it's just people who were never very imaginative or bright in the first place making excuses.
Luke Evans
Yes, a guy living in a time when the height of science was the Presocratics, should be the authority on how to handle knowledge. Collective wisdom has replaced individual genius long ago, there is no conceivable way one could gather every relevant information from every discipline of human knowledge, we inevitably specialize and share our findings with future generations. The questions Socrates was asking seemed simple enough, now they have mountains of literature.
Julian Morgan
And your brilliantly unbiased test will surely involve testing who can more accurately recall the contents of a written excerpt?
Henry Nguyen
Socrates was a hack like his suck-off student.
Carson Johnson
He was wrong, like on almost everything he proposed.
Writing and reading is the only reason we know about him, let alone memorize the things he did.
Daniel Lewis
In the sense that we don't often remember the things that we learn explicitly, but we just generally "absorb" it into our day to day being, he's right. I'd say that one doesn't truly know something unless he can talk at length about it. Oral tradition and dialogue is even better than writing at this, because not only are you exposed to your own views, but you're exposed to a constant second-by-second reevaluation of your views when you engage in dialogue.
Ian Barnes
>everybody is good at talking
Fucking neurotypical redditors.
Jose Wright
>Expecting an unbiased approach to social """""""science"""""""
Asher Sanchez
citation needed
Mason Edwards
Yeah, people had better memories back when they had to memorize everything.
...?
Joshua Harris
No, why? There's different ways to test memory.
Jackson Perry
that's not the point retard, he's not talking about one person, i think he's talking about how people act, think, and feel in the context of society, a certain memory is something complex and abstract, a book about the same memory can be very simple and biased
Thomas Foster
>retard
>i think
>improper capitalization and punctuation usage
>something
>very
That's nice, dear. Let the grownups speak now.
Parker Cooper
nice argument, you are a true intellectual
keep your meme answers to yourself please
Adam Martinez
>That's
>nice
>dear
>grownups
>speak
wow