Attending Academia in an age of YouTube, Wikipedia, Libgen, KhanAcademy, Private/Public Trackers...

You mean I can't become an intellectual by playing video games and watching animes all the time? What the hell

this sounds like a hypnopaedic mantra for lower castes

>Being a brainlet who cares what others think

lol!

So, what's stopping you going outside, lol?!

What is an internship?

Why do you expect people to think you're smart if you speak in text talk

>if you speak in text talk

How else would we communicate, friend?

Tell me one thing you learn in classes that you can't technically learn from the internet and books? You can download every single important books and if not you can buy it from Amazon for 15 bucks or get it from your library. Your professors aren't smart people, dumb people that are too bad at their subject to become successful teach, successful and smart people don't teach, they create.

>tfw you need a degree to prove you're competent in a subject

Not being a dilettante.

Majoring in a field which will require me to regularly use millions of dollars of delicate equipment. Yes, am STEM.

>wanting to work in retail

The value of an education.

What do you mean?

lmao, not an answer!!

Clearly you never had the pleasure of taking Intro College Seminar - The Value of An Education, as a required credit freshman year.

What the fuck does "the value of an education" mean? 50k in debt? I attended a University (a rather prestige one for Yuropor) and was on top of my class with very little work, I dropped out after 5 semesters because I felt like it was a complete waste of time and effort. While you can stumble upon a good teacher if you're lucky, the majority of professors are failed students that just went through the process of wasting a decade on getting a doctorate and writing an unthoughtful thesis about a completely niche and useless topic. I suggest you to read the doctoral dissertation of your professors to realise what dumb asses and failures are teaching you. Let's not continue about how fucking economically useless a degree is and wasting 4-8 years on an education is proper career suicide, I understood that early enough and dropped out and make money online nowadays. is not me

Stem isn't desired, it's a myth created by Newspapers and dumb people that dream about their own tech startup. The only engineers that are desired are the ones with 15 years of experience and a lot of impressive work behind them, sure if you worked at NASA for a decade, then you'll find a high paying job in no time, but if you're a graduate you'll most likely work in a non STEM field, unless you're a top of the class genius graduate with a lot of personal work already made. Most Stem students don't work in stem related fields, not everybody can be an inventor, sadly. Sure you might just hit a niche that allows you to earn a lot with a comfy job, but it's very unlikely.

The only worthwhile field to study nowadays is Medicine, both becoming a Doctor or Nurse.

you'd be amazed what's not available digitally.

you absolutely need to be at a 15k plus university to get access to some stuff

I'm in biochem with decent grades, so if the job market isn't panning out well I can certainly just go that route. But even if I didn't, there's no shortage of lab monkey positions in my area that would pay significantly more than a retail job. Sorry to hear that your engineering degree isn't panning out, though. I have a friend who's been unemployed for two years with an MSE degree. :(

Like what?

Archives are open to the public.

Yeah, I'll tell a company to trust my 401k not because I went to school in my field, but because I watched a lot of YouTube vids on it.

>He doesn't realise that if more people abandon Academia the entire qualification/degree system will have to adapt to it too

You understand that most colleges and universities allow you to just walk into their library and read everything without being a student?

I don't have a degree and I wasn't studying STEM. I studied international European law combined with English, a huge fucking waste. I didn't get a penny into debt but I still dropped out because it was such a waste of time. I make a lot of money online and moved to a nice city in an eastern European country where living costs are low as hell. if I completed my studies I would've probably been some low position public worker or local politician, both are suicide-tier wageslave jobs.

t. High schooler

Journal paywalls are a bitch, and not easily circumvented.

>he doesn't understand the prisoner's dilemma

Writing for NYU.

>50k in debt

I wasn't a dumbass and I got a full ride based on academics.

It must suck being poor AND stupid. Like, how fucking stupid do you have to be to not at least have 3.8 GPA in public school?

I've read 6 books on Game theory, brainlet, try me.

>Journal paywalls are a bitch, and not easily circumvented.

LMAO:

sci-hub.ac

You're welcome.

I'm European, I got paid money to go to a University and had 0 debt because I don't live in a 3rd world country like Americans. As I said, go read the thesis of your professors and laugh at how stupid they are.

>What is an internship?

Since when is education SOLEY the route to employment? And even ignoring that, many internships require you to have a degree or be doing a degree, especially in fields that require actual knowledge like engineering and technology

>I'm European

Then you officially do not matter.

>especially in fields that require actual knowledge like engineering and technology

What is Github or Prototypes?

If an employer wants evidence I can do something in Programming, I can just create projects in Github and show them that as evidence. If an employer wants evidence I can build an engine or design them, I can just buy the parts and display it to them with its functions.

I did and you responded with a meme. What's your plan for making enough people drop out of tertiary education to end their monopoly on job qualification when failing to meet that threshold will, on average, result in hundreds of thousands lost for each of them?

>he think people go to University to learn as opposed to going there to get a certification that they've learnt
retard

Where exactly would you "buy the parts" to demonstrate your aerospace engineering skills? Just "buy" a wind tunnel and the CAD machines to build your design?

By giving millions of people access to websites which provide all University information for free and adapting the entire qualification system from Degrees to evidence of proficiency, that is, displaying examples of creations to employers as evidence for one's skill level rather than relying on a Degree.

This is already done in programming where over half of programmers are self-taught.

see
Brainlet.

Degrees show you're monkeys who are good at jumping through hoops which is exactly what employers want

Of course such high-level jobs like Aerospace Engineering would be more refined and may maintain the degree system.

Such high-level degrees are not what we should be aiming for at this moment in time.

You do understand that the European Union is more relevant than the usa?

Are you kidding? I realize a million things that the world could do differently if we people put our heads together. But that's just not how people or the world works. You've got people who want to kill you just because your foreign. Because you don't believe in their version of god. Because you eat certain foods or abuse certain privileges. And if we can't agree on what's in our minds, then we certainly will never agree to what's around them.
Me personally, I'd study hard and work for free in a career I loved if it meant I got to learn more and if my working status entitled me to free(earned) liberties. But that's an utopian aspect of an utopian concept that I know will certainly never happen in my lifetime and will only happen if many, many people die and give up their right to power for it.

I'll hold my breath.

FTFY: Professors regurgitate things they read from other professors who read obscure books.

Mine was a land grant uni from the 1800s and they had god damned turn styles at the door, which you had to flash your id in front of.

These people are terrified of letting knowledge out the door

I don't want to be rude, buddy, but what I'm advocating doesn't require a mass-movement.

We are already heading towards it, more and more young men are dropping out of College and are turning to self-learning.

It will come, the day will come, I'm just telling you to prepare yourself!

What if what the employer wants, as 90% of them do, is evidence that you have a good work ethic and the ability to work with people you don't necessarily like? What if your field requires access to technology you can't afford to produce a relevant creation? You might be able to achieve limited success with finance, but that's about it.

>he thinks he can compete with people with similar skills but who also have a college degree
retard

>What if what the employer wants, as 90% of them do, is evidence that you have a good work ethic and the ability to work with people you don't necessarily like? What if your field requires access to technology you can't afford to produce a relevant creation? You might be able to achieve limited success with finance, but that's about it.

They'd be able to deduce you have good work ethic from your creation/prototype. No different to programmers on Github, essayists, short-story writers, accountant doing mathematics tests, engineers building engines etc. They would deduce it from your level of knowledge in relation to your age, income, etc.

The ability to work with people you dislike is not a good point because employers have no way of knowing how you got on with people at University as a Degree doesn't state that. They could tell you were good at working with people from past jobs, references on your CV, hobbies etc.

Your third point is the only good one. Yes, there are fields were access to high-tech stuff will leave you at an impasse but like I said before, these fields are not the ones we should be aiming for.

they need that sweet sweet 80 grand away.
they can't just give that shit away for free

Degrees don't mean anything any more, brainlet.

Not even Google relies on degrees any more as they've found with managerial testing that degrees don't suggest improved work ability.

You can check that online if you don't believe me, brainlet.

>paying 30K a year to have someone else tell you how to read a fucking book

top pleb

You just don't know what jobs are out there then, my man. Most college grads will go on to fill in excel sheets or write copy for 8 hours a day. Glorified secretarial work is what degrees were made for. If you were to submit a project as evidence of your capability, you would be turned down because people who do that shit aren't suited to white collar life.

>Degrees don't mean anything any more, brainlet.
Yeah they do. Having a good degree on your CV is a net positive to your overall marketability.
>Not even Google relies on degrees any more as they've found with managerial testing that degrees don't suggest improved work ability.
>One company does this one thing
Not an argument.
>You can check that online if you don't believe me, brainlet.
retard

Self taught men already run the world, you're discussing a figment of an illusion. And I assure you, the world cannot sustain 6,000,000,000 small businesses, and will destroy itself long before it's given the chance, even just to free itself first. But those in power seek this illusion of immortality which they only understand through genetics and civilization. They've forgotten that human existence will forever be finite and that true power is sustenance and necessity not luxury and overindulgence.
Which I'm way off track now. The point here is that you have a cute idea, but civilization as you know it will kill itself before it fixes itself. Even if it's "already on track" to repair.

>Not an argument.
>retard

Amazing debating skills from the College brainlet.

Really makes ya think...

>doubling down on no arguments
Not an argument.

Reddit post

>one company does this thing
>this company is also considered one of the most desirable employers in the world
WEW

>reddit bogeyman
Not an argument.

what a stupid post, you can make up for that marketability in skills gained not doing a degree idiot which will just make you more marketable for being better skilled than the other employees

>basing argument in your 0,01% dream scenario company and its hiring procedures instead of the 99% employers who will just flip through hundreds of applications and favor those with an actual degree as so to have the highest probability of finding a good hire and avoiding as much wasted work as possible
what sort of faggotry is this?

>He thinks future self-learners will apply to boring office work

LMAO

YOU ACTUALLY DON'T GET IT

PEOPLE WILL APPLY TO JOBS THAT FIT THEIR INTERESTS, BRAINLET AND THEIR QUALITY WILL BE DEEMED BY WORK THEY CREATED

You're just implying that as a self-taught student you'll always be much better than a University taught student.

Not true.

There is no fucking reason to believe that your skills from self-studying is not skills a University student also does not posess, either through their University curriculum or self-studies at the dorm/library.

>PEOPLE WILL APPLY TO JOBS THAT FIT THEIR INTERESTS
And until they get that dream job they will live the wonderful NEET lifestyle, i'm sure!

I just started online school so I can say I have a degree, other than that, I already know everything I need to Know to fake my way through just about any profession

Except I can through examples I have already stated such as Github, retard.

HmmmmmmmmmmmmMMM! I wonder who knows more about X subject; the guy who spent 4 years studying for exams or the guy who spent 4 years using all that time actually studying the topic.

Read the thread, brainlet.

Yes, I'm sure that over half of employed programmers that are self-taught are very happy with their lifestyles.

Thats why you adopt the "I'll try anything once" philosophy.

You do realize professors have to do research, right?

They might regurgitate stuff they themselves are not experts on, but absolutely do not in their comfort zone.

Why not extend this 'research' to all peoples instead of hoarding it for themselves and their fat lives?

>such as Github, retard.
Too bad College students are barred from using GitHub too.
>HmmmmmmmmmmmmMMM! I wonder who knows more about X subject; the guy who spent 4 years studying for exams or the guy who spent 4 years using all that time actually studying the topic.
You don't understand College if you think that is only what people do for 4 years, especially in programming courses.

Autodidacticism is frowned upon in University.
>Read the thread, brainlet.
No thanks.
>Yes, I'm sure that over half of employed programmers that are self-taught are very happy with their lifestyles.
Yes, I'm sure that over half of employed programmers that are University-taught are very happy with their lifestyles.

>Why not extend this 'research' to all peoples instead of hoarding it for themselves and their fat lives?
>Marxist
You'd fit in well at University actually!

Brainlet.

stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#developer-profile-education

I'm not a Marxist, where did you get that from?

Because I'm against Academics? Marx was an academic, brainlet.

>69% of all developers tell us they are at least partly self-taught.
>partly

>Autodidacticism is frowned upon in University.
is not*

Nice Reddit-frog, dork!

I notice you ignore the other piece of information where "43% of developers have either a BA or BS in computer science or a related field. 2% of developers have a PhD."

Which clearly indicates that Self-teaching and On-the-Job training is more important than a degree.

>Self-Taught: 69.1%
>On the Job Training: 43.9%

most of them would were they asked
the confluence of academia and economics is the most ticklish thing on earth

You don't join university/college to study there. You join them so you have a certificate that you passed them.

This. You are supposed to learn yourself in the uni. They wont teach you.

Enjoy trying to get a job with Kahn Academy on your resume.

Read the thread, moron.

The next generation of higher education will be small private firms that simply oversee what you've taught yourself on the internet and test you to prove to employers that you are qualified in a certain field

I have no answer to this

>Veeky Forums will fall for this much bait

Hello my naive friend. Biochrm grad with a masters degree degree from the best university in my country here.

The job market is so saturated with PhDs jumping ship from academia that there's almost no employment for our Ilk. Secure a PhD before you graduate or suffer retail

I read a lot and discuss things with as many people as I can, but I highly doubt my amateur non-degree in the field of philosophy is going to get me anywhere.

I can't afford to go to college and loans are for idiots. Thanks, America.

Wow, op. That's interesting. Be right back, adding YouTube and Wikipedia to my resume.

You must have went to a community college.

It is. Tons of research papers out there. Sure, for access to some you need to pay but ain't no hood nigga reading Harvard research papers.

And they'll probably want to only teach those worth their time so no biggie there.

just end yourself stupid socialist fuck

The problem is that autodidacts have no way of knowing whether their interpretations are shit or not, and also the reliance on all these available sources of information just makes you complacent because why would you study when you can just look something up when you need to? Not to mention that if lecturers just give you shit to study from the internet you're just going to be the same as a shit lecturer. Better to pay for professional tuition if you want to learn anything because of the other benefits directed study in an institution gives you.

No, he's talking about university and he's right.

>You must have went
>must have went
>have went

Lol, that's where you're wrong, brainlet. I know homeless people that use sci-hub for access to astronomy papers.