Do you guys really believe that the Universe spontaneously erupted from a singularity with no outside influence...

You will never be able to prove or disprove that something supernatural exists outside of our existing system. Even if we found out exactly how the universe was started someone could just say "Well created it that way.".

>gentiles
>children of Abraham
Jews.
>"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;"
No mention of salvation.

Please read the Bible.

It literally says both Jews and Gentiles in the second quote and that salvation has been sent for both of them. The definition of gentile is not a Jew.

Acts 13:26

Doesn't get more explicit than that bud.

Why do Veeky Forums racists worship a jewish religion? That part always got me.

I am not racist. Not everyone on Veeky Forums is racist. We are all God's children.

What about those of us that are racist. Give us one good reason.

Occam's Razor:
* All regions are frauds, vs
* One religion is real and all the others are frauds.

>Does this really make logical sense to you?
Yes, but it's also very likely that there was more to it than that. Believing in something doesn't mean you have to close off your mind to any conflicting thoughts you fucking RETARD.

>spontaneously erupting singularity doesn't make sense
>bearded man with superpowers does

hallelujah

unicorns may exist or unicorns don't exist. science simply doesn't know the answer yet.

so rational
Ezekiel 4:12

The question of are there unicorns "somewhere in the universe" is not important at all.

The question of "why is there something rather than nothing" is important.

>because nothing will ever occur from nothing
Why? That is a rule of temporal causality, and neither time nor causality exist in a nothing, so couldn't stop spontaneous popping up of a universe.

>The question of "why is there something rather than nothing" is important.
Nah, it's wordplay, not a question. "Nothing" is not a valid concept to work with, it's like talking about square circles.

We have a biased view of this reality because we have consciousness in it.
We could be in the 8 trillionth version of the universe, and the first one that took hold. 7.99 trillion iterations have passed and failed each giving rise to the next in various times from mere nanoseconds to billions of years.
Envision it like this. When you sleep you have no concept of time. Likewise we have no concept of how many potential iterations the universe has gone through, whether our big bang was unique or just one in innumerable occurrences extending towards eternity in both directions. The universe itself could well extend far beyond what we can observe, and it likely does. But there could be waves of energy from innumerable big bangs, bubbles of alternate space rocketing towards us faster than light, but at such distances the combined andromeda and milky way will disperse well before they reach it and delete it, overwriting it with a new universe. Within the vast scale of the universe there could be a new creation level event every second but we will never know it because the boundaries of the universe are limitless and the odds of it occurring in a pocket where humans will ever interact with it are infinitesimally small, exponentially smaller than life arising in each successful universe. And even if it did, we'd never see it because it would be coming towards us faster than light and would delete our universe, our reality, before we could register it.

>from a singularity
No.
The Big Bang wasn't from a singularity. It was, quite literally, the entire universe.

Space time is a fabric that can be manipulated time itself is relativistic and we also know that quantum physics allows for the possibility of time travel also we know from gamma ray burst that certain sub atomic particles have no problem exceeding the speed of light add the fact that we exist in holographic multi verse of many dimensions you begin to realize that anything is possible only mathematically improbable so all you need is a technology powerful enough to manipulate time and space and dimension now consider we are just beginning to understand the possibilities of time and space and advanced technologies now add a million yrs to our evolution and think of the possibilities if we as a species can even develop to that point without destroying our selves now you can see that these advanced beings are only doing with us what we do to other species on our own planet now conceptually it doesn't seem so outrageous does it these things could be from our own planet after all if it indeed is billions of years old plenty of time for other species to develop before we came along and perhaps their still hanging around monitoring our progress perhaps we are even the result of their creation they could even be our future selves nothing is impossible we are only limited by our own intellect and imagination

Who created the creator, who created the creator's creator, who created the creator's creator's creator, ad infinitum.
It's a recursive argument, invalid, useless.

Leibniz, the inventory of calculus, would say that the solution to this seemingly recursive problem is simply the existence of some non-contingent thing/entity. The first mover was not created and did not depend on any previous state. That is the only solution, cosmological lyrics. Otherwise you end up in the stupid recursive loop that you mentioned.

Whether you choose to call that noncontingent thing God is a different issue altogether.

>Does this really make logical sense to you?
QM doesn't make logical sense either, yet it's never made an incorrect prediction. Just because you're a christcuck brainlet doesn't mean the rest of us are.

We can't say whether it was spontaneous, and we can't say whether it followed a singularity. Maybe it's utterly naive to assume 14 billion years long expansion from zero solely because we can currently observe expansion.

Here's a thought experiment: What if time is an illusion created by entropy. Every thought we have is preconditioned on 'what happened the moment before'. This in return happens because entropy unfolds in one direction, which creates evolution, which creates brains that are adapted to perceiving things one way. However it could be that all our moments of consciousness are 'simultaneous' in a time-dimension in some sense (from a birds-eye view, like frames of a movie), yet we can never know this due to each 'frame' of our consciousness being a sandbox. So if you have the following chain of thoughts:

A -> B -> C -> D

What is maybe actually happening is:

[A->B] & [B->C] & [C ->D] simultaneously

Why make such proposal? Because then the universe could be eternal and timeless (and perhaps a big causal looping 'pattern' caused by Poincare recurrence), yet we could still have the subjective sense of time and causality. Then, an eternal and time-less self-consistent universe would not necessarily need a creator, since it had no technical beginning.

>Big Bang tots disproves exisntence of God!
Sign of a brainlet.
God beyond our understanding you fucks, at least that's what believers are saying.
Getting into argument about whether BB or God is real is being a fucking dumbass incapable of nuanced thinking.

>nothing will ever occur from nothing without influence from something outside the system
The big bang theory assumes otherwise -- what makes you so certain everything has a cause?

The Big Bang theory doesn't say everything came from nothing. It says everything was really close together, and then it spread out really fast.

>Logical rules even brake down in our own reality on the quantum level
Brainlet

all mainstream religions have similarities

All religions have similarities especially within their creation stories and any personal saviors they created.

>Do you guys really believe that the Universe spontaneously erupted from a singularity with no outside influence?
No, but I believe anything that happened outside of our universe probably isn't something we have much access to learn about. It's not that we know there's nothing outside our universe, it's that we know the limits of what we can observe from our position inside the universe.