Why cant we have a philosophy board?

Why cant we have a philosophy board?
A lot of things that don't belong on /pol/ or Veeky Forums or Veeky Forums, or Veeky Forums could go there. Like important truths like this:

>Nobody in this world is good except Jesus. We are all flawed sinners with no hope of being good. Trump said all Mexicans are rapists. This is true. We are all rapists. Nobody is a virgin. Nobody is innocent. Not the elderly nor the infants. This is absolutely true. To be good is to control. Free will dictates that we are Gods. This is a satanic belief. There is one God, ruling from outside of this world. All the perceived forces in this world are derivative. Jesus perfectly transcended those worldly forces and was one with them because he worshiped the source of the forces, not the forces themselves which are derivative. We are not good because we worship the world and its forces instead of the outside source of them. Since God controls us, the only thing we can do is beg him to let us repent and fear him.

stut up loser

But how do you know that this is the case and not that Reality is cold, random, and uncaring?

The nature of it is irrelevant.

>The nature of it is irrelevant.

It's actually not and you should explain why you think it is instead of being intentionally vague as if I should get it.

Not that guy, but "it" (the nature of reality) is A C T U A L L Y irrelevant. It's like asking "what is the nature of this table" about a table you're making up. Unless you're referring to an physical object, you can't make a natural inquiry. "All reality" is not a physical object, no matter how you slice it, "reality" is an idea used to describe a totality of specific things. So inquiring of its nature is navel gazing, or a language game, or stupid; however you want to call nonsense.

The nature of the source of the forces of our world is not important. What is important is how to be saved instead of damned.

What I'm asking OP is why he thinks that damnation or salvation are real?

Go stand around an active volcano. You'll see that hell is not a parable :)

Does it really matter? This is Veeky Forums. Caring about post quality and clutter. It's a lot like caring about toilet cleanliness. Just keep out the black mold and child porn and otherwise what happens here isn't important and neither is the time we put into it. My response to anyone who thinks that one post belongs on another board is basically either learn to hide threads or fuck off into the real world.

Because...they...dont want people thinking

You'd cut this board into a third and destroy it

>Nobody is a virgin
fuck you and jesus, I deserve this title

>reality is an idea

you're just using this assumption as a crux for concluding that metaphysics is useless. i think you'll find that most metaphysicians have notions of reality very different from ideas (note that they have a notion OF reality, not that reality IS a notion -- this distinction is clearly eluding you). a lot of them would reject the distinction between 'idea' and 'reality' you're positing inasmuch as theoria and praxis are interrelated. it's a shame that a lot of "philosophy" has descended into navel-gazing where people emphasize a theory of knowledge at the expense of knowledge itself. this kind of knowledge-through-action is usually known as "wisdom", and it is THIS kind of knowledge, not an "idea", that most classical metaphysics is by and large concerned with.

then the romans and arabs started translating the greeks and things got out of hand pretty quickly

arguing about what reality is is a lot less interesting or important than whether it can be said. MUCH more interesting work has been done there (especially recently)

>whether reality can be said
Could you elaborate on this?

no, I can't, fuck you.

The nature of the source of the forces of our world is not important. What is important for me at least is how to be saved(or 'at peace') instead of damned (or 'mentally tortured')

>predestination
LMAOing at your life

"nature of the source" is not necessarily the same as the "nature" of reality, though there is a thread which identifies the two. but understanding the character of reality is certainly helpful for the freedom you mention. we seek to understand Being in order to better comport ourselves towards it.

The "distinction" does not elude me: take "the notion of a table" vs. "the table is a notion." The former implies a table antecedent to the notion, while the latter implies a table that exists only mentally.

My point is that you cannot have a "notion of reality." Go ahead and attempt to conceive of all reality: no matter if you spend 20, 200, or 2 000 words, or images, you'll never give a full and accurate depiction of "all reality." I suppose this is what you mean by "whether or not it (reality) can be said."

>knowledge through action
You mean your own empirical knowledge? I'm not denying the usefulness of that, nor am I a solipsist. Reality exists, i.e. reality is real, so attempts to describe reality in terms of "what is real" will fail due to their tautological nature. That's why I'm saying asking after "the nature of reality" is nonsensical.

>predestination
that word is irrelevant. I'm stating that God controls us.

>God controls us
In what sense?

Because he controls the laws and forces of the world which we are currently in.

>God controls us
this is foolish because it invalidates the reason God gave for making us: for mutual love and communion. While we don't have "free will" in the sense of being able to impose our will on reality in every way shape and form, we certainly have agency that, while knowable and foreseen by God, is not controlled by him. This gives us room to make a free choice to love him, which makes the love genuine.

In what way?
Once the world is put to motion, everything that happens is necessary by natural law -everything 'follows' from what has existed before, etc. Causality. Like in the butterfly effect, applied to everything.
What kind of control do you believe God has?

> My point is that you cannot have a "notion of reality." Go ahead and attempt to conceive of all reality: no matter if you spend 20, 200, or 2 000 words, or images, you'll never give a full and accurate depiction of "all reality."

you're treating reality as a thing or as a collection of things. no metaphysician in their right mind has done that since before aristotle.

>>knowledge through action
>You mean your own empirical knowledge?
lol no. empirical knowledge and inductive epistemology are near-useless in metaphysics. is the non-distinction of knowledge and action foreign to you?

It's impossible to know the reason why God made us. Though we are commanded by Jesus to love others in the same manner that he loved us, we can only beg God to allow us to love others. He decides whether we may follow through with that commandment or not.

what do you mean by "controls"?

in other words, i'm asking you to put forward your view of providence.

God controls natural law. All that this means is that the physical laws of this world do not come from this world. They come from outside of it.

Since we cannot create natural/physical laws, they must come from an outside source. The nature of that creation is another question.

You're going to run into MAJOR problems if you posit a direct relationship between God & His creation. (You'll literally make God evil.) How are you not doing this by talking this way?

Then He doesnt 'control', he just put things to motion.

God may be evil, but that is another question.

The nature of that creation is in question, since the relationship between a creator and his creation (like a carpenter & a table) is HIGHLY problematic if we apply it to God & His creation. How do you propose to solve the so-called "problem of evil" which so commonly arises in theology?

>you're treating reality as a thing or as a collection of things. no metaphysician in their right mind has done that since before aristotle.
It's not an argument to say "you're not in your right mind to do this."

>empirical knowledge and inductive epistemology are near-useless in metaphysics. is the non-distinction of knowledge and action foreign to you?
This is a language game. As if my knowledge is somehow less my own because its "inductive." The deduction-induction dichotomy is itself a language game, since the former is infintely regressive or dogmatic while the latter is psychologically influenced.

I don't even know what you're trying to defend. Are you defending the ability to talk about the nature of reality? Surely you can, I can't stop you from navel gazing.

Also, trips

He created the laws. Everything that happens in this world is due to the laws he governs.

As I said, whether he's evil is another question and it doesn't change the fact that we are under his dominion. The fact is that if we want to transcend this world like Jesus has, we must love others the way Jesus loved us. To do that, we must beg God to allow us to love others the way Jesus loved us because he is the decider.

>The laws he governs
He doesnt. He just started the whole thing. Natural laws cant be manipulated, theyre necessary -in the philosophical sense of the word.
What youre saying is
>God created the world

>It's not an argument to say "you're not in your right mind to do this."
it is when it's been a fundamental insight of metaphysics for millenia (ignoring the arrogant assumption that you "deserve" a rebuttal). you've never learned about the distinction between Being and beings?

> This is a language game.

"it's just words man"

get out of my sight you filthy pleb

>God created the world
He also created the laws and forces that govern it.

Yeah, that was included in my use of the word "World".
I shouldve been clearer

Well it's important to realize that he created every single aspect of this world and therefore it shouldn't be surprising that he controls every aspect of our being, along with the power to damn us or save us.

That's what Veeky Forums is for.

No Veeky Forums is just /litpol/

>He controls every aspect of our being
He does?
He sees everything, ok. He understands everything, ok. But he also 'controls every aspect of our being'? Controls in what sense?

We have fucking Veeky Forums - History AND HUMANITIES

In the sense that everything in this world does not derive from this world but rather from outside. It all comes from outside.

Question for you: Shouldn't we be begging God to allow us to beg God to allow us to beg God to stop this infinite regress?

Really, we should have had seperate Veeky Forums and /humanities/ boards. The restriction over at Veeky Forums about no contemporary events/thinkers is incredibly artificial, yet at the same time I understand wanting seperate boards for discussing ancient empires and modern feminism.

Jesus submitted to the judgmental father, he was a bitch. Could have been a cool dude if he actually rebelled against mean old daddy and ended human suffering, but instead he decided to "suffer with us" and spent his last moments crying out to daddy.

Veeky Forums is the philosophy board you dangus

you should do everything you can to not be dropped in a lake of hot lava by God