Why is it such a fucking pain to get into medical school...

Why is it such a fucking pain to get into medical school? Engineering and mathematics are far more difficult academically, yet it's far easier to get into a good program in those subjects. With medicine, you have to do a bunch of extra interviews, provide relavant extracurricular activities, sit extra exams (gamsat, ukcat, etc), and still get the best possible grades.
Is it simply because of demand and the fact that doctors have the lives of their patients in their hands, which requires extra responsibility?

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No, it's nothing noble like that. It is because politics. Medicine is controlled by a group of people in and out the government who simply act to protect their interests.

To put it simply, if getting a medicine degree was as available as getting an engineering degree then many more people would obtain them and then hospitals could start paying them less because if there are 100 doctors competing for 1 job the corporation could use this as leverage. Therefore doctor numbers need to be kept artificially low by any means necessary.

This is a double edged sword. It is good because every doctor is guaranteed to get a job and become a millionaire, unlike engineers who need to compete and only the best of the best become millionaires.

But on the bad side you get a whole lot of competition in education because now that you do not make doctors compete to get jobs, they compete to get a spot at a medical school which means that the funnel is put right in fucking high school. Have bad scores in 9th grade social studies and you are immediately out of the medical race. You will not ever recover.

Daddy warbucks just need to donate to the Uni and all that extracurricular shit will be out the window, friend.

It's very difficult/stressful to study to become a doctor. The "pain to get into medical school" is to prevent brainlets from getting in.

It's just as, if not more, difficult to study engineering or mathematics.

It boils down to cartelization of labour limiting the number of spots at medical school. Plus they want older people with more life experience. As long you're tenacious masochist though, even if you don't have a perfect GPA. There are medical schools that that weigh GPA at like 15% compared to interview and MCAT. So if you're an autist you'll probably do the interview three times before you get in.

>Have bad scores in 9th grade social studies and you are immediately out of the medical race
Nah they don't factor that in at all; 30 credit hours of your worst grades in university are disregarded. They care more about your social acumen these days

Proof?

Brainlets slips in through the cracks all the time and prescribe benzos indefinitely to people with some minor anxiety.

Restocking sheets at the hospital as a volunteer is quite the intellectual pursuit

You don't think engineering and mathematics are more academically difficult? The volume of the work load for engineering is very similar. Half the time medical students aren't even doing any rigorous studying, but doing placements (looking at warts on people's bottoms).

>why is it such a fucking pain to get into medical school
because any brainlet can memorize a bunch of biology or chemistry terms and it requires no higher level thinking. so you end up with tons of people that can get into medical school, whereas finishing and engineering/math/physics curriculum is much more difficult. The courseworks weeds out the dumbasses (for the most part).

Training a doctor requires using a ton of expensive, limited resources BUT getting qualified for an MD program isn't that much work. So you have high demand for entrance to MD programs but the number of MDs who can be trained at one time is limited.

On the other hand, in order to train a PhD mathematician you can just pack 2-3 people into a room with a couple of boxes of chalk and a blackboard. In 5 years they emerge from their cocoons with an intense interest in Chow groups.

Except that makes no sense and misses the point entirely. We are talking about entry requirements, but you're jumping to finishing a degree in your second example. Presumably medicine would also weed out the incapables.

>prevent brainlets from getting in
The lack of critical thinking is abhorring in med school

Science and medicine are 2 different things

Check out hippocrates and the 4 humors.. bile, phlem, blood and ... I dunno

This charlatansism is the foundation of modern medical "science

From Wikipedia on humorist and hipprocrates

" The theory holds that the human body is filled with four basic substances, called humors, which are in balance when a person is healthy. Diseases and disabilities supposedly resulted from an excess or deficit of one of these four humors. Disease could also be the result of the "corruption" of one or more of the humors, which could be caused by environmental circumstances, dietary changes, or many other factors.[6]These deficits were thought to be caused by vapors inhaled or absorbed by the body. The four humors are black bile, yellow bile, phlegm, and blood. These terms only partly correspond to the modern medical terminology, in which there is no distinction between black and yellow bile, and in which phlegm has a very different meaning. These "humors" may have their roots in the appearance of a blood sedimentation test made in open air, which exhibits a dark clot at the bottom ("black bile"), a layer of unclotted erythrocytes ("blood"), a layer of white blood cells ("phlegm") and a layer of clear yellow serum ("yellow bile"). It was believed that these were the basic substances from which all liquids in the body were made"

Hippocrates has nothing to do with modern medicine you tool.

>The cost of educating a student is high
>You need much more resources (hospital places, patient access, cadavers)
>They artificially keep doctor numbers low, to prevent wage decrease.
>Lots of people apply with the same grades, so you need to seperate them.
>Interviews to remove autists who can't communicate

t. Got into engineering, but rejected from medicine

>Claims hippocrates has nothing to do with modern medicine

My science has determined that was a lie due to Wikipedia

"Hippocrates has everything to do with modern medicine"

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates

So Astronomy is BS because Ptolomy had some things very very wrong?

I think it is annoying that the top highschool graduates in Australia get streamlined into a Bachelor of Medical Science program with guaranteed entry into post graduate Medicine.

I think it's incredibly unfair as they are not required to sit the GAMSAT (UMAT is a very simple test) and only need to perform well in 12th grade in order to get an OP 1/ATAR 99. They don't need to go through the 2/3 hour interview process and they certainly don't have to pay GEMSAS just to submit their applications.

Although when they get into the program, they get drilled with 5 subject semesters with no summer or winter breaks ;-;

I know that Medicine is hard to get into but it is certainly achievable for anyone slightly above average. I understand that there are a lot of hurdles to clear but that should be expected as a career in Medicine has plenty more hurdles to come.

I also agree with you that Medicine is not as academically difficult as Engineering or Mathematics. Medicine has a much greater emphasis on balancing: science knowledge, social skills, empathy and legal/ethical responsibilities.

>GAMSAT
Measures reading comprehension, essay writing and ability to apply science knowledge.

>Interview
A way to filter out students who don't fit the University's core values when it comes to Medicine. They usually know what qualities make up a good doctor.

>Extracurricular
This shows that you actively contribute to the community and that you have hobbies outside of Medicine to keep you sane.

>Best possible grades
Yeah that's more a supply vs. demand problem.

I had my interview for medschool last week and am waiting for either an offer or a rejection letter at this point ;_;

its easy to get into medical schools outside of the united states, so its basically restricting supply artificially to inflate salaries

bro the medical doctor part thats difficult is your patient is a case study. Expect to see the same scared person 2 years in a row and you have to use him as an experiment to see what methods of treatment will work, you might have to email doctors from different parts of the world to find out if they can aid in finding out what that person who keeps coming back has.