is there any hard evidence that dinosaurs "evolved" into birds? Besides them sharing certain bio-mechanical structures? And besides certain intermediary lizard-feather species existing in the past that went extinct.
This theory sounds more baseless and illogical than the idea of abiogenesis.
Yeah, many dozens of fossils showing the gradual transition from dinosaur-like to bird-like forms
Luis Brown
>sharing bio-mechanical structures >intermediary lizard-feather species Looks like you answered your own question, shillfag.
Kevin Price
digits confirm existence of satan
Zachary Myers
look at a chicken for two hours straight, follow it around
tell me you don't see a fucking feathered cretaceous monster
Leo Taylor
>Besides them sharing certain bio-mechanical structures what else would you accept for proof? a t-rex morphing into a chicken in front of your eyes?
David Miller
The theory is plausible if you look at it as a change in atmosphere composition and diet resources restricted high survival rates to only the smallest of it's respective species.
Grayson Rodriguez
is there any hard evidence that you "descended" from your grandfather? Besides you sharing certain physical and genetic traits? And besides certain intermediary son-father individuals existing in the past that committed suicide because of your faggotry.
This theory sounds more baseless and illogical than the idea that dinosaurs evolved into birds.
Camden Reed
So there is no good evidence.
Humans and pigs share a lot of structures and genes too. Doesn't mean we came from pigs. Think. Logic. Evidence.
Evolution really seems baseless and stupid IF you think about it analytically, just like the holohoax t.b.h
Camden Brown
Yes there is. My parents .
Camden Howard
I said besides your parents. I guess "son-father individuals" was probably a pretty unclear though. Seriously though beside physical similarities, genetics and the existence of your parents, is there any hard evidence your grandfather is your grandfather?
Ryder Nguyen
Particularity is irrelevant. It follows by logic and observation that humans have parents, and human parents have human parents, etc. Grandparents are neccesary. Finding the particular one is a matter of empirical analysis, with some uncertainty involved, blood tests and familia history is sufficient to come to a reasonable decision.
This is nothing like the idea that birds came from dinosaurs, in general, since it doesnt follow by logic or observation. and finding out which particular breed of dino gave rise to what breed of bird is not what is asked. I don't need that much specificity.
Jaxson Turner
Show me an intermediary fossil between a pig and a human and I'll call up the Nobel committee on the spot.
William Lopez
Then may I ask what evidence you would need to be convinced, instead of what evidence you reject?
Grayson Parker
Paleontology isnt a hard science. it cant be held up to the same standard or trusted like real geology can be.
that being said, its still got plenty of useful information and isnt all just made up bullshit. you cant fuckin nit pick at it as hard though because it is soooooooo circumstantial and really the excepted theories are just a "best guess"
evolution is real, but if you want evidence tracing X to Y, you are not going to get it due to how fossil preservation and preservation bias logically works.
its like getting a 1/4 of a slideshow of a movie and trying to understand it. There are plenty of unsolvable gaps in the details.
everything is an interpretation (backed up with hypothesis supported with evidence)
Carson Cook
"Grandparents are neccesary. Finding the particular one is a matter of empirical analysis, with some uncertainty involved, blood tests and familia history is sufficient to come to a reasonable decision." It's the exact same principle with birds and dinosaurs. Dinosaurs may or may not have descendants. Birds must have ancestors. It's just a matter of clearing up who is related to who.
Connor Martinez
Technically speaking, no, they didn't come from dinosaurs, they ARE dinosaurs. And paleontologists never assume current species came from fossile species, only that they must have a common ancestor. Just like pigs and humans share a common ancestor, birds and dinos too, making all of them belong to Dinosauria, "the dinosaur group"
Anthony Green
T Rex was a giant chicken? LOL it killed it's victims by making them die of laughter.
Josiah Cox
>So there is no good evidence Explain whay you consider good evidence.
Liam Davis
Being told by a book written by jews that god did it
Adam Russell
Fun fact, most large dinosaurs were genetically engineered or selectively bred for their size by the Saurians prior to their civilization being wiped out. Far from being an apex predator, the T-Rex was a domesticated farm animal.
Kayden Carter
>it wasnt the meteor that killed all the dinos >it was saurian-cause climate change
Man earth has the DEEPEST LORE
Sebastian Ramirez
the dirty secret of paleontology is nobody actually knows why the dinosaurs died off
Samuel Morgan
well when the asteroid hit, most of the farm animals (big dinos) died off. Civilization collapsed shortly thereafter leaving only very small/hardy mammals and dinos.
Brayden Hill
No, they have different rudimentary fingers on the legs.
Logan Gutierrez
Well, it's true that if you disregard the major arguments in favor of any theory, it's not going to sound very logical.
Angel Cooper
Humans and pigs share a lot of structures and genes too. Doesn't mean we came from pigs. Think. Logic. Evidence.
Asher Richardson
You....you don't understand evolutionary history do you?
Juan Allen
can you put some numbers for that my guy?
Wyatt Harris
i meant you
Matthew Hughes
>is there any hard evidence for x discounting these two pieces of hard evidence Really evolved my microbes there, Satan.
Blake Evans
this guy, i keep fucking up
Wyatt Garcia
>is there any hard evidence of X if we ignore all the hard evidence for X? Subtle but I can still tell you come from /pol/
John Peterson
humans have eyes, fish have eyes, thus humans come from fish, huh? makes you think
Justin Price
>hard evidence >structural similarities
so biology isn't even science
Justin James
Can't explain evolution to someone with that level of cognition
Jonathan Miller
Is there any evidence of an event happening if we ignore 2 of the largest indicators that the event happened?
David Phillips
so you got nothing?
>Show me an intermediary fossil between a pig and a human
done
Luis Ramirez
Let's apply Occam's razor here. How do you explain the similarities birds and dinosaurs share, and the fossils which clearly indicate variations on older dinosaur species almost perfectly resembling modern birds?
Jeremiah Martinez
From the Mesozoic era?
Tyler Garcia
How retarded are you? I would smash your head in with a rock if you were anywhere near me
Matthew Bell
Say that to my face, not online. I'm bigger , stronger, faster and smarter than you.
Biologists can only propose theories as to the phylogeny of species that have been extinct for longer than any DNA trace lasts. Evidence of similar biochemical structures and mounting evidence of more bird-like traits among dinosaur fossils being uncovered and given more scrutiny seems to suggest that birds have a closer common relative to dinosaurs than any other classification. Normally one would think of reptiles as the key there, but if you take into consideration the relative age at which reptiles were around, there's been a lot of time for evolution. While evolutionary pressures aren't so high for such adept species as many reptiles are at exploiting niches, even incidental mutations that have no necessary change on fitness would build up to the point of speciation by now.
That last part is more tangential to the argument, though. At this point we run under the theory that all life evolved from one common ancestor, and so we classify under that model. It's convention- and it hasn't been disproven, so it's fairly strong until evidence arises that causes the foundation to be questioned. There are some theories that seem to imply extraterrestrial DNA, for example.
What confuses me is how you transition from cold to warm blooded. Obviously it happens, but is it a one generational change or does it happen in stages. It must happen in stages. I've tried to Google it but nothing.
Lucas Butler
Theres actually dna evidence now that trex genetics most resemble a chickens of modern animals.
Carter Thomas
So youre telling me that im a fish? Kek.
>faggots r us.
Jordan Perry
Yeah but they have a common ancestor. Any fuckig stupid comparison you make can be answered by the fact that they have a common ancestor. Your common sense type examples actually work against you. Faggot.
Nathaniel Diaz
Tbf its highly unlikely that any given dinosaur fossil we have is a bird ancestor. Everyone really needs to use common ancestor not descendant to be logical in these arguments.
Isaac Stewart
Youre thinking too discretely and neglect the fact that cold and warm blooded are just vague terms for extremely complicated biological processes. Its not binary
Charles Hill
Do you seriously think that a change in how temperature is regulated can happen from one generation to the next?
Juan Taylor
>Yeah but they have a common ancestor. where is the proof? humans and fish are separate kinds of creature.
doesn't help evolution.
Carson Nelson
More than that, my little cracker. At one time your direct ancestors were some sort of single celled organism, like an amoeba or a bacteria. And if you continue to take a direct ancestral line then at one point they were an assortment of free floating amino acids, and other basic molecules. But why stop there? Keep going back in time and at once stage your direct ancestors were a collection of hydrogen atoms just about to under go fusion with other hydrogen atoms in the core of a star that then blew the fuck up and spread your disgusting ancestral components here, such is the pity.