1950S ROCKET TRAVEL FUTURISM SHIT

>this is posted in /pol/ as well

That is utterly preposterous because it is well known and widely accepted scientific fact that objects heavier than air cannot fly. This madman belongs in the asylum.

>all these ass blasted shitters
the envy
the jealousy
how does it feel to know that this one man has done more in 5 years then you will in a lifetime

It uses a suborbital ballistic trajectory outside of the atmosphere. Since it's out of reach of atmospheric drag for 90% of the journey, it can just "coast" to its destination, making it more efficient than flying and also making the fuel consumption low enough to be affordable.

This solves the problems Concorde had exactly how...?

Shut up faggot are you elon musk?

No atmosphere = no drag = no sonic booms = no fuel consumption for most of the journey

>no fuel consumption
except for the shitload of fuel to get out of the atmosphere and to slow down the craft

but it wouldn't

In my opinion it doesn't, at least the ones which matter most which is price. I can see him getting the price low enough for it to be an option for wealthy people who want to be somewhere fast but I can't see him getting it low enough to compete with a regular intercontinental airline ticket and still break even.

Fuck me, Elon Musk is the rick and morty of science, stop listening to that hack. He's a glorified welfare queen with an computer science degree.

>he's still trying

As opposed to the rick and morty of what?

So any bets as to how long until we get an ITS version of this image? My bet is 8 years.

Reddit is the Rick and Morty of social media, Harry Potter is the Rick and Morty of literature, Nietzsche is the Rick and Morty of Philosophy and so on. The Rick and Morty of something that people who camp on the top of Mount Dunning-Kruger like. This doesn't imply they're stupid of the Rick and Morty of "x" is necessarily bad, its just where smart people who are retarded normies who bandwagon or don't research into something hang out.

Elon Musk is a patent troll and exemplifies the worst of corporate welfare. He proposes madcap ideas and acts like Jesus for "nerds" so he can suck hype money up and then sell the patents for ideas that will never work. Why not just give the money to NASA?

>SpaceX hasn't gotten a dime of government subsidy dollars
>has done lots of rockets
>ULA has gotten fucktons of govbux
>hasn't even launched a single rocket
methinks you're just asshurt he's doing things while you're still a NEET
I bet you fell for the pure math 300k starting meme

Well that's bullshit for a start, and second, he hasn't done anything. The re-usable concept was already known how to do, NASA just had its funding cut and so couldn't perform those experiments. What has he actually done? Made a meme car no-one drives, promoted early 20th century pseudo-science with the hyperloop and now is promoting this pseudo-science. There is no way launching rockets for intra-planetary travel is commercially viable.

remedied by the fact that launches can happen more frequently than a regular 12 hour flight

>Musk proposes a lot of things. His actual achievements to date are far less impressive.

Everybody recite this until you understand it. He's great at putting out ideas that maybe some government will throw money at without caring to much what he accomplishes.

>Muh vertical landing

Nice trick, call me when he puts men in orbit or does anything useful with it.

Now you're just being dumb.
Rich people will throw money at everything they can just so they can say they have "experienced" it and post photos about it on Instagram.
That alone would make things quite affordable.

>remedied by the fact that launches can happen more frequently than a regular 12 hour flight

Not sure how launching more rockets is going to do much for you, given the extremely limited number of people who will be able to afford a ticket. Launching more empty rockets does not make it more economical.

But IF he built it as a status ride for rich people. he might make a few bucks off it if subsidies help defray costs. Sorta like the Tesla.

>this is what /pol/ actually believes
Musk will have a colony on mars and you'll still be calling him a scammer.

>colony on Mars

Fuck that, call me when he puts a man in orbit.

Let me ask you something. Do you seriously think a few rich people wanting to take selfies will carry this industry that requires billions upon billions of dollars?

If Musk is a scammer, what does that make Jeff Bezos/ Blue Origin/ Boeing/ Lockheed? He is literally further along than any of them.

Yeah but he won't. What's the point in building a colony on Mars? What is he getting back out of it? Fuck all, its impossible for him to fund. You're essentially taking out a mortgage that will run into the trillions over however many years until you they can fend for themselves which could be hundreds of years. That is if you don't mind defaulting when it becomes too expensive and leaving them to die on Mars. Its just retarded. If you're serious about space colonization, you NEED the Moon first.

I'd pay a premium for the shorter trip on an East Coast USA to Hawaii route. Anything that's 11+ hours by plane is ripe for competition from this sort of thing. The way planes are now, I'll never take that trip again on one. But it would be nice to see family again someday.

yes, as it carried the early commercial plane industry a century ago
there's a lot more people rich enough to afford this today, as well as a lot more interest in the idea

plus you have business executives and other high status people that need to get place to place really fucking quickly
Their private jets only go so fast, so being able to get there in an hour or less would get lots of interest from those people

And NASA's Space Shuttle will be able to fly every two weeks!

Assuming I'm incredibly wealthy, how much for a private rocket?

>as it carried the early commercial plane industry a century ago

It didn't though, war and agriculture carried it first.

>there's a lot more people rich enough to afford this today

What, 4 million quid just to knock 11 hours off a flight? How often will they be doing this? How much cargo are they carrying?

I mean, you're right, I could be completely wrong but I'd say there's a 90% chance I'm right. Its just economically nonviable.

maybe amazon and ups would buy a couple of these to transfer warehouse size loads between distribution centers.

Nah, shipping or train is much more cost effective. Rockets are certainly not something you want to use to carry large loads. Maybe on the Moon you could, highly doubt on Earth.

>all these faggots ignoring the fact that it's thermodynamically more efficient to travel outside of the atmosphere where there is no drag

currently with only single digit amounts of rockets ready to do anything at a given time, millions
When there's hundreds, if not thousands of rockets operational and flying on an hourly basis, same as a plane ticket
Convenient that these rockets were originally meant for space travel, so they can get money buy sending shit to space
if you want to shit on an idea because you hate ideas, remember to shit on the whole idea all at once, don't just pointedly ignore the supermajority of the concept to suit your argument

factor in the acceleration needed and see how dumb you are

There's a simple solution to this class of transportation problem: privatize the roads.
Under a regime of public roads, the government subsidizes numerous factors.
>populations become less concentrated because real estate can externalize transportation costs onto society: urban sprawl
>mass transit can't service less concentrated areas as efficiently, so personal transport is emphasized
>having free access to a decent public roads makes private mass transit less profitable and less common
>the auto and petroleum industries are basically subsidized due to these reasons (which means we're subsidizing "global warming")
>certain modes of shipping take far more resources than they should

If we could privatize the roads, there would be dozens of Elon Musks building bullet trains everywhere because they'd be way more profitable. It's not going to happen while the highways and interstates are free.
I'm not even a lolbertarian, I just want a more logical allocation of certain resources.

Elon is a fucking idiot even if this was a good idea technically it would be a disaster in terms of security, he basically wants to seed the world with multiple cites with civilian owned rockets that have are capable of being used as vectors for trans continental nuclear bomb deliveries.

this is now an optimization problem.

> passenger rockets
> thinking this is a good idea in a world where muslims exist

>lets not have nice things because bad people exist
Nah

Finally a public transport where 400 people vomit their guts out the entire time.

>Bad people are the reason we can't have nice things

Sounds about right

How is he going to deal with reentry?

YFW Musk makes infrastructure on Mars then in secret developes nukes on some asteroid and comes with SpaceX fleet in orbit and says that either people of Earth comply or he nukes the living shit out of Earth

Musk is a meme and 90% of what he spews is bullshit, but stop acting like's accomplished nothing. SpaceX is a successful company doing good work. Tesla is hugely popular.

I'm hoping with electric vehicles gaining steam, ending the gas tax and restructuring how we pay for roads. The problem with the gas tax is that even though it's an extremely simple system to implement that does a decent job of adjusting for pollution and vehicle weight, it's a political nightmare to change it, and accordingly has caused a gap between funds for road maintenance and the cost of it. Obviously electric cars don't need tax, and trying to tax electricity for automotive use would be asinine, so a new system would be needed. So far any conversation about it has been about leaving the gas tax for ICE vehicles and using a different system for EVs, but I think it'd be a good time to overhaul our entire road funding system.

What I think would be best would be to have periodic registration that applies a carbon tax according to how many miles the vehicle has gone and what it's emissions are. Then have tolls collected on every freeway and interstate, adjusted by the weight of your vehicle and axles. The tolls would be set to cover the maintenance, and possibly, to recover the costs of construction. This would implement an equal and fair system that would be capable of maintaining our roads and encouraging green choices. It's also relatively easily implemented with our current technology. The gap would be covering local roads, where tolling every road would be asinine. The best solution would probably be to set a budget for each locality, and pull the money from surcharges on registration and/or tolls.

methane rocket would pollute less than fuel oil burning airliners.

Electric rocket or bust, musk.

methane is also a fraction of the price of jet fuel
and shorter trips means more flights over the vehicles lifetime

The problem with gas taxes is that it doesn't solve the game of economic whack-a-mole you get by subsidizing stuff. Sure it reigns in overuse of roads, but not overproduction of roads (or production of the wrong roads.) I think you could improve things by making all roads publicly owned toll roads, leased out to road management companies under strict regulations. Even though it would fix a lot of problems, automotive lobbyists would never allow it because if you solve these inefficiencies they lose profits. It's not in their interest for cheap mass transit to exist.
The more extreme solution would be to turn every local road or road system into its own private company, giving free shares to every citizen. That way, the economy could figure out how valuable each road is, and only the profitable roads would be maintained. You could sell your shares or keep them and collect dividends.

So are his rocket emissions chlorine free? If not , I'm going to ride a banana boat to the moon.

Wasn't this literally what Virgin Galactic was going to do? Richard Branson is getting cucked as fuck.

I was going to do that in 15-20 years myself if he hadn't. I probably still will but damn

Concorde was very small and used LOTS of expensive jet fuel.

It just wasn't reasonable when it came to seat prices.

Methane and LOX is considerably cheaper by quantity than jet fuel and has no bad emissions. It'll also get cheaper while jet fuel will only get more expensive.

The thing is that it definitely won't be as cheap as a regular economy flight to begin with. For starters you need to build the infrastructure to support them, this means landing/launching pads and the Methane/LOX fueling facilities and storage facilities in every location.

If only supervillains were real.

>Why not just give the money to NASA?

Socialism and world policing has killed NASA.

US doesn't have the money when the other 2 are being funded.

>BEST INVENTOR SINCE TIM BERNS LEE CONFIRMED
Who knew Elon Musk invented the rocket? I learn something new every fucking day.

SpaceX is 70% government money, Tesla never had a year with profits.

>Concorde was very small and used LOTS of expensive jet fuel.
>It just wasn't reasonable when it came to seat prices.
You do realize that rockets have a far higher fuel fraction than airliners, yes?

>He believes the propaganda made by a company desperate for investors

Hmm.
Can't someone else do the MATH!?

>Can't someone else do the MATH!?

It actually works out. Marginal cost for a launch in fuel is under a million dollars, and can launch 1,000+ people at a time in an economy class configuration in a passenger volume that exceeds the size of an A380.

A jet airliner can make a long haul trip exactly once, and most of the airline's cost is in the crew. The rocket can make the same trip ten times a day. If the route can be filled, they're making revenue to the same destination ten times as fast as they would with a long haul jetliner, even if they spend ten times as much on fuel than they do with the jet (actual estimated cost is 2x as much).

>deliveries to ISS
>not useful

And thats when most of Veeky Forums discarded all of your opinions. Where is Penn Gillette when you need him?

While i agree with you that we should go to the moon first, mars is still a good idea for Musk. He will have a monopoly on an entire fucking planet worth of resources. Mars is going to make Musk the worlds first trillionaire.

A Brave New World!

>Fuel is the main cost of this operation (Kek)
>What about reassembling the rocket?
>Transporting fuel / refiling the rocket
>Repairs, safety checks before launch
>How many people are needed on the ground to monitor such a launch?
>How many times can the rocket be "re-used"(They have still to re-use a rocket)(They have still to prove that this is viable)
also...
>1000+ people (More than the A380)(Forgetting that the A380 is actually doing bad BECAUSE it has too many seats)
>AKA more seats does not equal a good thing

Let's also think about the safety issues with sending 1000+ people into a rocket like this.
And, how many of those will get window seats? Oh wait, I don't even see any windows, so going to "space" will be pretty unsatisfying (AKA less people will be interested (It lacks the "space tourism" sale point))
And oh, why is the launch on water? A fucking 30 minute boat ride to get to the rocket?
Seriously, do you think these idiots who came up with this shit, can be trusted to do something like this?
(And, we are also trying to get GREEN alternatives. Especially in transport. I don't see how green this thing is)

You Muskboys are delusional. You all leave logic behind because of your spacefetish.

Honestly I think some people just post the Musk stuff just to watch people whip out their hate-boners.

Musk is at least getting people interested and excited about space, unlike NASA cuckboys who have only been good at convincing people to slash their budget

They gotta get those nickels and dimes somehow
why else would they be here in every thread from dawn to dusk

I addressed that in my post as well.
LOX and liquid methane are considerably cheaper by quantity and the prices are likely going to go down.

The space tourism aspect of it would start to wear off if they were actually doing as many launches as he talks about.

Most likely there would still be a class setup with the first class getting viewports, as there are some at the front.
If you want to actually see space pay for the first class seats, if you just want to get to the other side of the planet in half an hour then go economy.

Yeah, and all you have to do prior to boarding is two weeks of astronaut training. Awesome right? So quick and efficient.

9201014

He said this project would be taking funding from a lot of other ones. So he seems to be serious about trying this.

stop giving shitposters (You)s

Lets do some math:
assuming such a rocket costs 20 M per launch (Less than half of FALCON 9) and can transport about 30 people. One ticket would need to cost about 50.000$. What a bargain. And yes i know these are loose calculations and maybe Elon has a rocket costs less than that, but you people need to realize that sending an object into space is somewhat expensive.

Haha retard

Every day on my walk to work I see at least 10 Tesla vehicles. Try to get out of HickTown USA and interact with actually successful people and you'll see that tons of people have Teslas

You're a fucking retard

Private individuals ALREADY CAN DO THIS but they don't because it's never profitable

You want the road system to only prioritize population centers? There's no money serving rural towns. Way to cut off all of your retard "let's privatize it" Republican voters, KEK

>LOX and liquid methane are considerably cheaper by quantity
Not really

>lowering the amount of passengers to 30
>when the FIRST MODEL is designed to hold at least 100
>passenger specific models expect several hundred
at least fucking try to be honest

Considering a 60 year old Soyuz rocket launching out of Kazakstan can do the same thing while costing a fraction as much, it's not really impressive.

>What's the point in building a colony on Mars? What is he getting back out of it?

Immortality mah nigga. His name will be remembered for all of humanity's future as one of the fathers of interplanetary humanity.

Interplanetary is a meme though. There will literally never be large cities on mars. It just doesnt make sense. Its like settling in Antartica.

Except settling on Antarctica is much easier. Space colonization is a meme.

>I'm too much of a retard to figure out something
>so nobody else in the whole wide world can either

My apologies, i did not know that. Still, a single launch would need to cost less than 2 M (With 100 passengers and 14,000$ per ticket). Even with several 100 passengers it dosent seem feasable.

and what causes it to cost all these millions, when the only cost is fuel
this is the exact same thing with aircraft, They don't cost millions per flight, why do you think that is

WE BRAVE NEW WORLD NOW

go ahead then, tell us how we can colonize mars in a way that dosent cost trillions and slowly kills off the inhabitants.

Settling on Mars is not hard, it's just useless.

It also doesnt increase the chance of human survival. No matter how bad climate change is going to be, earth will always be more friendly to human life, because it will always have the perfect gravity for humans and keep its magnetosphere. So there is literally 0 reason to settle on Mars.

"rockets will be as reuseable as a car" is a meme that i hope you dont sincerely believe.

its like saying "yeah, so these are our plans for intergalactic travel, now we first have to figure our how to construct a worm hole, and then we are good to go."