Any tips on starting this Goliath?(Have already read one day in the life of Ivan)

It's because it triggers the weak.

I hope no one listens to this guy...

>unironically supporting neoconservatism
t. fascist

>literally reading a 1000 page meme book just to spite people you disagree with

Contarianism was never meant to go this far

You're calling me weak when you've been sold a piece of political propaganda by some boring hack pseudoscience professor who's given himself over to making YouTube videos for the Sargon of Akkad fanbase, if you want to be shocked then go find some modern histories of the GULAG with less spin to it. The monumental suffering of people there is now turned into the battleground for mental teenagers to fight their imaginary battle of the ideologies, people's ruined lives used as political ammunition to score points for USA USA.

Do you mean "attracts"?

Bait or not, the damage control here is insane.

Anyways, book is great, Catch-22 in non-fiction form.

>Catch-22 in non-fiction form.

Can you even read?

>The American Red scare moralists are out again in full force despite that the Soviet Union hasn't existed for a quarter of a century, before most people here were even born.

Is this something to do with that professor who dresses like it's still the cold war and paints college clubs as being communist infiltrators? If you fall for this then

What an autistic post.

Marxists are on the prowl again.

It's a good thing to read up on them.

You're in the same paranoid conspiracist mindset as the young who join antifascist groups and see fascism everywhere.

This board has degenerated so much.

false equivalence

Marxism is the hip thing on College campuses. It is taught by professors and it is believed by students.

Meanwhile there are ~12 fascists currently in existence.

>Marxism is the hip thing on College campuses. It is taught by professors and it is believed by students.
Not really, no.

false equivalence

Fascism is the hip thing in workplace culture and in online white subcultures. It is taught by managers and it is believed by employees.

Meanwhile there are ~12 communists currently in existence.

you will never be ostracized for being a marxist on campus

What kind of stupid metric is that?

>he really thinks literature classes are creating a revolutionary vanguard

>can't tell the difference between actual communist terrorists and those pushing for a little more representation in movies and a little tolerance

This is what listening to nothing but Veeky Forums and gamergate YouTubers does to you...

Solzhenitsyn would hate globalists like Anne Applebaum. He was blacklisted in the Western world when he went to Harvard and called liberalism out of its shit even harder than what he did to communism.

>>can't tell the difference between actual communist terrorists and those pushing for a little more representation in movies and a little tolerance
>it's okay because they're not terrorists! they're not even bombing anyone!

timeshighereducation.com/news/most-cited-authors-of-books-in-the-humanities-2007/405956.article

Most people in this list are either Marxists or sympathetic to it.

that's not good enough of a comeback imo

the key is to start in the top left, and read the first word there, then move to the next word to the right.

If there are words below that, don't read those yet, keep going from left to right until there aren't and more words on the line, then move down a light, but start from the left again and move right.

Actually you will, Slavoj Žižek has been suppressed in academia even to the degree that people who included him as an employment reference have been turned down because of his reference. And he's been boycotted by everyone under the sun in academia after hosting Lenin conferences.

What is acceptable in academia is a kind of cultural critique which is essentially just the capitalist mindset of exchange value applied to art and history. Marxists often have to defend the virtues of western civilization and art from post-colonial and liberal critiques and we're all called fascist for it.

Lumping people into a box so you can caricature them and strawman some Epic Put downs against an imaginary target, isn't debate,if anything it's just extremism.

>Most people in this list are either Marxists or sympathetic to it.
How so?

Is that objectively true?

You're not funny.

They use Marxist terminology and are conscious heirs of a Marxist intellectual tradition. Even when they criticize communism, it's from a Marxist point of view.

Trying you get me caught in the Veeky Forums spamfilter, huh?

Wtf am I reading, most of those people are not Marxists at all. There's only one Marxist there and that's Marx all the way down at the bottom of the list in obscurity!

Talk about finding a conspiracy. You really think people like Giddens Foucault or Bourdieu are Marxists? This is red scare on the level of accusing suffragettes as somehow being pinko plotters and armed terrorists behind the scenes.

Read One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich first, to introduce yourself to Solzhenitsyn.

Ever considered that that might be something to do with the fact that one of the founding fathers of sociology on the left and the right was Marx?

Which ones are you talking about?

Foucault and Bourdieu are definitely Marxists and it's laughable someone would pretend they aren't.

Do you think David Harvey isn't Marxist either?

Giddens is a sympathizer.

REEEEEE

STOP ARGUING WITH ME
MARXISTS EVERYWHERE WITH THEIR BOOK SMARTS

FUCKING KEK SJW FEMINAZI THOUGHT POLICE EVERYWHERE HERE SPREADING MISINFORMATION, SAVE YOURSELVES MY FELLOW YOUNG WHITE GAMER MEN

KEKS

>Foucault and Bourdieu are definitely Marxists
*worried laughter*

>Michel Foucault
>Pierre Bourdieu
>Jacques Derrida
>Jurgen Habermas
>Judith Butler
>Gilles Deeuze
>David Harvey
>Edward Said
>Roland Barthes
>Walter Benjamin
>Benedict Anderson
>Jacques Lacan

All Marxists

>Anthony Giddens
>Bruno Latour
>Noam Chomsky
>John Dewey
>Thomas Kuhn

All sympathizers

>Dead people are scary.

Hm. All the evidence thus far about those authors contradicts this brilliant revolutionary new thesis. Now then... Where are the proofs?

How are they not, seriously? Just because they were not orthodox? There has never been an Orthodox Marxist since Karl Kautsky died, that's not reason enough to not consider them Marxist.

I admit I went too far with Thomas Kuhn, just because Marxists are often fond of using him, doesn't mean he was a Marxist sympathizer.

user will know.

It's just plainly wrong user, all evidence shows otherwise.

t. Someone who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about

>FUCKING KEK SJW FEMINAZI THOUGHT POLICE EVERYWHERE HERE SPREADING MISINFORMATION, SAVE YOURSELVES MY FELLOW YOUNG WHITE GAMER MEN
>when you unironically is trying to dispell the marxist bogeymen as a myth but at the same time uses divisive identity politics as your argument

Woah, you're a smart guy!!!

>baited into posting a idpol frog

The evil that men do lives after them.

>wrote with Marxist terminology
>shared Marx's revolutionary objectives
>took part in Marxist political movements

And most important, their works are used by Marxists.

We want names of people that are actually dangerous, user.

Hmm didn't realise Foucauldians were actually secretly Marxists despite everything they themselves say and do.

You don't have proofs. You're so clueless you even listed Jacques Lacan as a Marxist, a bourgeois shrink who never was directly into politics and challenged the 68ers to prove they didn't just want another new and powerful master in revolting, now part of the Marxospiracy?

There were three on that list whose ideas are being used to destroy everything good in this world. Dangerous doesn't even begin to describe them.

Holy shit I'm dying lmfao

This post is creeping me out! Please elaborate.

>destroy everything good in this world.
Please elaborate.

>it's a "marxists want to overthrow western civilisation by nature of their beliefs, but if you highlight their own beliefs to them they gaslight you" episode

If you don't want people to think you want to destroy the West you should perhaps stop attacking everything the West stands for.

Their ideas work to subvert and destroy the norms that make existence even remotely tolerable, and it's all done through the propagation of strategic lies in a mad quest for power. Any reasonable person should see that Butler, Derrida, and Foucault make Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. look like kittens.

Marxists want to overthrow and destroy Western culture because:
a) they wish to protect the West
b) they wish to destroy the West

...

>tfw I'm a Marxist but I also like Wagner and ancient Greek poetry and European culture and Christianity and consider Marxism and the workers 'movement one of the greatest results of European culture and inseparable from our history and values
>tfw philistines on the left and right can't understand my existence and put me in categories which I don't belong to
>even fellow Marxist philistines call me proto- and left-fascist
>Enlightened Marxist problems

Also

>tfw even Marx is at times too much of a vulgar Marxist for me

Bump

So is the book good or nah?

WTF is happening in this thread?

It's alright but it's used as a piece of political propaganda, revived for this use again and again by neocons and total nobodies like Peterson ad nauseam. Better and less sermonising, and far more revealingly shocking books have been written on the Gulag.

It's good.

Marxists don't like it because it's just one more evidence to what happens when you implement Marxism.

But you should definitely read it, whether or not you're a Marxist.

i listened to it on audio book while walking.

i notice that marxists all attack it strongly for portraying the utter waking nightmare that is communism.

Is there even a good Marxist today who still defends the Soviet Union?

Your reason is full of crap.

The actual reason 'Marxists' dislike it is because it instrumentalised people's suffering for use in the CIA's cultural warfare all over the world.

Brilliant example of ideological warfare being put to use and a forced consensus being naturalised.

>far more revealingly shocking books have been written on the Gulag.
care to name some?

>stop instrumentalizing the holocaust
>stop instrumentalizing the Rwandan genocide
>stop instrumentalizing the lack of humanity in all Marxist regimes
>stop taking lessons for history
it's a pretty shitty reason to hate a book desu

>The gulag, nationalist repression, and all manner of soviet inhumanities are unique to the soviet union and were not just a tradition inhereted from Tsarist Russia

>Nouveau mccarthyists

The book isn't the problem, what it's supposed to prove is.

The hard truth is that we still don't know why the Soviet Union turned out so horrible.

>it's all done through the propagation of strategic lies in a mad quest for power

What are you arguing?
That the soviet inhumanities were unique or that they weren't?

The atrocities in the soviet union were similarly found in other socialist regimes. Social repression was not unique to the Soviets, rather, it was a symptom of its ideology. Thats the point of Sozhenitsn's book.

>The hard truth is that we still don't know why the Soviet Union turned out so horrible.

Russia has a historical precedent of always being horrible. Whenever they extend their influence to other countries it turns out horrible for those countries as well.

Russia is the common factor in most contemporary misery.

>What are you arguing?
>That the soviet inhumanities were unique or that they weren't?

That they weren't unique and they weren't unique to socialist regimes.

That should have been apparent from my comment.

>rather, it was a symptom of its ideology

TIL The Marx-Engels Werke literally just acquired a mind of its own and jumped out of the archive sometime in the 1930s and started sending people to forced labour camps.

Holy..... is this the power of the Red Pill??

The idea of egalitarianism and a materialist conception of history literally sent people to the camps? Christ. I guess we really SHOULD surrender to the US Empire... and I guess Capitalists really SHOULD keep all their money and crush environmental and trade unions, and privatise everything... Damn... Otherwise those ideas literally lead by inexorable necessity to the GULAG.

The Red Pill, one hell of a Truth Bomb.

>The idea of egalitarianism and a materialist conception of history literally sent people to the camps
Yes. If you use the concepts of oppressor and oppressed to describe real world events, you''re already more than capable of committing any and all types of political violence. To view the world through that lens makes you more of a ticking time bomb than a human being.

>dehumanizing your antagonist
classic

By subscribing to a oppressed-oppressor dialectic you've already done the same. To be labeled an oppressor is to be something worse than any demon found in the religious texts. Any and all violence against them becomes an act of the utmost righteousness, and as is implied, is always justified no matter how brutal it may be. The only difference is that yours is an act of aggression, and mine is self defense.

>playing the victim card

I'm not playing any card. I am a victim of this ideology(which has fooled people into believing it is not one) that, through academia, has managed to pervade the entirety of our society.

Are you a student?

The way you speak is so grandiose. It's so funny that you diagnose other people as being self-righteous because they believe themselves to be oppressed and then you literally pull the same thing in far less justified circumstances: other people say things you don't like in academia.

Not just that, it's a stupid idea of how socialism developed to accuse those starving peasants and workers of being somehow evil and self-righteous in violence, when violence was the reality for them and they had to do what they could for their families and communities. Only a spoilt little vermin could diagnose those people as being immoral or evil in performing political violence.

>total nobodies like Peterson
Haha he's a nobody yet he lives in your head. Little bitch you are.

One doesn't

Tips? Just read it.

Libturds hate it because they still want to massacre and imprison Christians the same way the jewish USSR did in this book, and it exposes them.

"Beat non-ficiton book of the twentieth century." -- Time

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