Is there a pill for post-modernism?

Is there a pill for post-modernism?

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A pill that makes you see everything as a postmodernist or one that wakes you up from it? For the latter case, the breadpill.

A pill? Yeah, post modernism is easy.

1. Take a thing you like
2. Think "How could i completely fuck this up?"
3. That is post modernism

what's post-modernism?

Traditionalism. No child who had strong father raised to become post-modern twink boy. Beta fathers create weak child aka post-modernists.

Break the chain, do future generations a favor. Create future generations.

Think what your family left for you? If it's plentyful, then realise they made sacrifices from their enjoyment of life to give it to you. Be grateful and do the same so your child will say the same thing.

If they left you nothing, then realise their selfishness is just leave you nothing, force you to start life from 0. Don't do that to your children, and make sacrifices.

Personal enjoyment will only delay the existantial crisis. When it hits you and you realise walls of luxury you built around you starts to collapse, you don't want to be post-modernist.

Post Modernism is this thing where somebody older than you says "this thing is a thing" and you go "but what if it was a different thing I just made up?" and then they go "thats fucking retarded" and then you go "fuck you, you're dead."

>Traditionalism for its own sake

Sounds empty

cool

what would be literary examples of this?

Imagine you have a sandwich and I have a sandwich.

You make a turkey sandwich with lettuce, tomato and mustard on rye.

I, instead of making a sandwich, take your sandwich, cram it up my ass, and start screaming at the top of my lungs.

That's post modernism.

i see. what would have been your end goal? confuse me?

Autobiography of Red is a good example.

Here's the Veeky Forums guide to post modernist shitters.

>I, instead of making a sandwich

You said you both have sandwiches you fucking retard.

It's the biggest obligation of you, procreation. We can talk about it because every generation before you does it. And if something that important for survival, we will evolve to do that, even evolve to feel our life fulfilled when we procreate.

No, not confuse you. That's absurdist or dada.

In that metaphor, the point would be to take something else someone worked hard on and had to put original creative thought into a make a fucking mess out of it because you don't have any good ideas yourself.

OR did I?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH POSTMODERNISM

Even postmodernists procreate. I don't see your point.

is post-modernism always negative or is this just exaggerated memeing? are there acceptable examples of it?

for instance, this
what was it they have shat on?

>There's such thing as an original creative thought

relativism
+
reductio ad absurdum

there you go OP

>forcing children to exist

You're just being a butthurt brainlet describing your own reaction towards postmodernism rather than any postmodern reaction towards modernism.

How is Man in Highh Castle long and difficult?

But who would do such a thing, fellow user?

every thought once was

Post Modernism is inherently negative. Modernism had a lot to do with authorial intent and realism. Therefore, in reaction, post modernism must inherently shit on everything that came before it. It's also heavily influenced by critical theory, which basically says "everything you think is good is actually shit and now I have to figure out why"

In the case of just read the wiki page on AoR

>Autobiography of Red is the story of a boy named Geryon who, at least in a metaphorical sense, is the Greek monster Geryon. It is unclear how much of the mythological Geryon's connection to the story's Geryon is literal, and how much is metaphorical. Sexually abused by his older brother, his affectionate mother too weak-willed to protect him, the monstrous young boy finds solace in photography and in a romance with a young man named Herakles.

Post modernism: take a thing, jam it up your ass, start screaming.

Get fucked.

And you need to realize that double major in creative writing and gender studies isn't gonna pay for your weed, much less rent, faggot.

you can look at this way, the post-modernist will be put back into context after they die individually. Not memeing, the best thing they can do for there own philosophy is to kill themselves. Although it's nearly impossible for them to do/be anything, besides when they are being marxist (which they don't believe in btw).

>Modernism had a lot to do with authorial intent and realism

Both New Criticism and Greenbergian formalism completely ignored authorial intent and realism. The reaction to these schools of thought is considered postmodern.

Postmodernism isn't a shitting on anything, it's the moving beyond the dead-end of modernism, a consideration of everything else omitted by it. It's a demythification of the Enlightenment so that modernists can't rely on thinks being so 'just because'.

where was the turning point between modernism and post-modernism?

isn't it just taking old thematic and relocate them into a modern setting? what's wrong with that? (if you don't have to over do it...)
there seems to be a limited amount of topics anyways. so you could label everything written in the post-modern area as "take a thing, jam it up your ass, start screaming"...

You're only getting less accurate the more you say. Generally writing is supposed to achieve the opposite. I wonder why you even try communicating with others at all? Maybe you're out of practice?

>It's a demythification of the Enlightenment so that modernists can't rely on thinks being so 'just because'.

sounds perfectly reasonable to me. so, why is it generally considered a bad thing on Veeky Forums?

isn't it a good idea to question "just because"? that seems a very lazy argument mainly used by people that spew ideologies withou having finished the tought

Advocating for traditionalism is like covering your ears so you don't hear what you don't want. You can't have traditionalist art when the outside world has no tradition anymore.

wow after typing this out i realized why dfw killed himself

>what's wrong with that?

How bout you just make your own stories and have an original thought instead of stealing someone else's and making it worse?

wait. How do they deny authorial intent if the only thing that keeps them being post-modernist is the fact they are still breathing.

>why is it generally considered a bad thing on Veeky Forums?

It's considered bad on all Veeky Forums really -- just a misunderstanding of what postmodernism is. It's almost like the line of thinking is 'well if postmodernists can just make things up then I can too' which is ironically not what postmodernists say as far as I know. Derrida at least warns against not taking into account the intended meaning of the author: 'Without this recognition and this respect, critical production would risk developing in any direction at all and authorize itself to say almost anything. '

>when the outside world has no tradition anymore.

pic related. there will always be tradition. even if the tradition is to get shitfaced on christmas eve...

you would need to define tradition in your own words if you want to use it like that.

what if there are no untold stories anymore? what if changing them up doesn't make them worse, just different?

how has post-modernism reconciled critical theory with its own philosophy, isn't that contradictory?

so, is that why people don't "get" abstract art?
the "a child could draw that" argument?
but what IS the difference between pollock splashing away and a child playing with acrylic paint? only the intention behind it? that pollock used paterns and layers? what if the child does the same because he thinks it's "neat"? is that not valued the same because there's not the same buildup behind the intention?

I don't think so but it depends on what you mean by contradictory. Postmodernism isn't the dominant ideology (I don't think it can be called an ideology) so it can't be considered hindering human liberty. It tries to make sense of the structures that do hinder it.

If on a winter's night a traveller is more post-modern than Invisible Cities.

Just stop reading PM novels. It's not the fucking end game of literature or anything, just a phase of writers interested in certain things.

I think people don't get abstract art now because its time has passed, and had passed since the 60s when works that couldn't fit into the modernist idea of art were being produced -- minimalism, conceptualism, pop, etc -- works since referred to as postmodern. I think photography contributed greatly to the end of modern art rather than the beginning.

The modern idea of art proposed by Greenberg championed Abstract Expressionism because it was a movement towards 'pure' painting, free of the illusionism that was a quality not unique to the materials of the medium itself. I think (can't confirm) that Pollock would be considered better than a child because he works within the history of art rather than a child who is unaware of it. But child art, and the art of the 'primitive' or mentally ill, have helped shape modern art because it is more immediate, expressive, and not confined by tradition or convention. I don't think the Independent Group was an influence on the New York School (I could be wrong) but Surrealism was, and Andre Breton wrote about how children had a greater liberty (I forget the exact wording) to their expression and imagination because they weren't confined by rationality and waking conscious.

>pic related
>no pic related

It is you who needs to define traditionalism first. If our traditions are memes, posting our faces all over the Internet, listening to rap music about how rich the singers are, then what kind of art/philosophy is the best?

i traditionally donmt attach pics when saying "pic related" in a post

hedonism?

what about the sandwiches we had before I started making my second one?

As usual, the thread itself signifies the complete transformation of modernity into post-modernity

Nothing left to do but read essays by some gay french dudes, do every drug the ad campaigns told you not to, pay for premium tinder, and enjoy the ride

nun, 48 posts nach erstellung dieses threads, befindet sich hier auch nur ein einziger deutscher? Oder liege ich richtig in meiner vermutung, dass es sich mal wieder nur um eine welt mit einer deutschland-pbsession handelt?

whoops, wrong thread

Thanks user

I feel ya bruh

Ich bin auch hier, was gibt's?

Oh myy what an intelligent human being.

I don't want to start a new thread about this but I read a quote on here about how people like to rate things instead of actually saying what's good about them. Anyone got a source?

the reason why there is a horrid meme of a 'postmodernist' is because of sjws. dont forget how a lot of postmodernist thought was an incubator for most of contemporary meme culture.

Pollock is not post-modern, he's late modernism, and his importance come from a lot of factors (innovation, his art being a natural progression of abstractionism, literal CIA funding).

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Pills are for sick people.

That's precisely the point.

Taking the red pill means you're sick?

Life: A User's Manual

that book seriously puzzled me

Bump

Nothing more embarrassing than someone on Veeky Forums extolling the virtues of masculinity. Did you post this before or after you masturbated to hentai cuckporn for the third time today?

This whole jingoistic Internet psuedo-traditionalism trend is really starting to tire me. It was fun during the election, but now it's just boring. kys

At this point, "postmodernism" is pretty much a meaningless buzzword for "things I don't like". But honestly it was never defined well in the first place.

Based.

it's a brilliant book but I can't work out why it's considered postmodern. is it just the gimmick with the knight's graph or whatever?

the dot is actually part of the cover

Nothing more embarrassing than someone on Veeky Forums projecting their pornographic preferences onto others.

Post modernism isn't well defined enough for there to be a coherent or large scale reaction to it yet
I think is accurate but it will be more of a Marxist twist on traditionalism, because as others have said post modernism is all about destroying tradition
I think people like Peterson are on the right track with Darwinian morality