Veeky Forums on porn

Nofap is pseudoscience. I just watch amateurs masturbate or when I watch porn I understand it is a fakery and I am being deceived.

I just crank my ding dong to photographs of hot chicks that I'm nice to in normal life, no desire to try and put my vagina miner into them in normal life. They look after themselves and they dress well and I respect that.

All I know is that hardcore porn will mentally fuck you up. I'm not sure if just looking at photos of naked ladies with nice bodies has the same effect.

BS you're probably too fucking fat to get laid

BROTHER, MAY I HAVE SOME PORN.

Nah I'm a good looking guy. I'm just an anxious wreck though and get too obsessive when I get involved with girls, better off in isolation for the moment

i don't pretend it's some sort of panacea, but ultimately i'd like to minimize the instant gratification in my life and focus on that which feels more meaningful. i say this while drinking a moscow mule so obviously i have a long way to go, but one step at a time i guess.

>In countries like the U.S. and Great Britain, we exist in a wholly sexualized culture, where everything from cars to snack food are sold with a healthy slathering of sex to make them more commercially appealing. But if you're using sex to sell sneakers, then you're not just selling sneakers, you're selling sex as well, and you're contributing to the sexual temperature of society. You're going to get people who, unsurprisingly, become overheated in that kind of sexual environment, and if they attempt to assuage their desires by resorting to the widely available medium of pornography, they're going to have their moment of gratification, and then they're going to have a much longer period of self-loathing, disgust, shame and embarrassment. It's almost like a kind of a reverse Skinner-box experiment, where once the rat has pushed the lever and successfully received the food, then he gets the electric shock.

>I think if you were to sever that connection between arousal and shame, you might actually come up with something liberating and socially useful. It might be healthier for us, and lead to a situation such as they enjoy in Holland, Denmark, or Spain, where they have pornography all over the place—quite hardcore pornography—but they do not have anywhere the incidence of sex crimes. Particularly not the sex crimes against children that we suffer from in Britain, and that I believe you suffer from in the United States. It seems at least potentially that pornography might be providing an essential pressure valve in those countries, which we do not have access to here.

The only patrician choice of porn is trap porn

No, trap porn has the longest recovery time.

No, my friend. I must refuse. For it is has always been the way of this village that everyone here must provide their own porn.

Perhaps you should ask in Beefcurtains. The winter has been hard here, and we have little porn to spare. Only a few tattered old dildos, whips and ball-gags remain. If you like, we can perhaps offer you a cam-chamber where you can film yourself. But please, be gentle with the AV equipment, as the repairman only passes through but once a year.

This quote seems like a non-sequitor to me. What is the relationship between the identity of sex as a commodity and post-orgasmic shame?

exactly faggot that is the point

You call yourself a friend, a brother, a comrade. Yet when I ask of thee for pornography, for an aide to a gasp of pleasure on a grey and heavy day, you reject me?

If I but had it, I would offer you up HD rusty trombones and bbw anal missionary, streaming through the air in currents of information. But think you so little of I, that you would deny me this trinket of joy? I ask again. Brother, may I have some porn?

Sometimes I feel shame when I watch real life porn, but not with anything else. I'll feel bored once in a while, and I'm a little paranoid about this whole hypofrontality meme, but I don't know if it's true. Is that only if you do it constantly?

>Get thread full of good posts incoming.
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Why do you feel shame when watching pornography? You are not producing the scenes or in any way affecting the actions they portray. You are only an observer. The scene will happen whether you watch it or not.

Do you feel that, as an adult male, it is shameful to watch the world as it really is? Do you also feel shame when watching african children starving on television or a homeless man walking by you in the streets?

Does this shame come from you having observed the scenes or from the notion that perhaps you can and therefore should have done more to prevent the scene from ever happening?

Brother, what you have asked for, I cannot give.

Porn is not a thing given; it is made. In this village, a porn is the result of a special bond between a man, his wife, occasionally someone else's wife, some of their friends from out of town for the weekend, a roll of duct tape, a few feet of bubble wrap, the Mitsuhara RectalElectric T-9000 Ultra Pleasure Swing, some ostrich feathers, a modest amount of cocaine, balaclavas, several hundred gallons of volcanic mud, two white-spotted octopi and plenty of fluids. We are but a simple people, and set in our traditional ways. The answer, brother, must be no.

Rina Nagai is a gravure idol, through which, in the process of masturbation, I was stalled in my effort of objectify the woman's body and somewhat stunned at the beauty of the features of the face. I would stop and stare at the face and my erection would subside. I have more pictures of Rina's lovely face now than her body. I've either transcended my libido or become a psychopath. I cannot tell anymore. Like Dante viewing Beatrice, or Stephen viewing the Seabird-girl, I have become totally enamored in a way that does not stir the base libido but rather the soul

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No, because people are gross, man. And that's someone's daughter, and all that. I bet half of them regret it.

I'm 22 and have never had sex. I've been watching porn since I can remember. Once we got a computer that was it. I personally masturbate minimal once every 1-2 days, and that has been my schedule for a long time now.

Porn has most certainly had an effect on me. In truth, I believe it has deluded my desire for companionship overall. This can be partly be attributed to my parents initial divorce and my mother's second one. That aside, I screw up my conversation's with females just like I did in high school. And it's okay. I don't need them. Why should I bother fucking around when I can just watch a flick and get off?

The girls in the videos never cared when they took the money to act pornographically. Sex is a commodity, and that devalues it in my opinion.

I suppose it's also my fault. I've tried to find the most extreme shit I could. Nothing too far out that's weird, but I really like watching rough sex. I love it. It's addictive, just like your book implies. Maybe I am addicted to porn, I don't know. When is too much too much?

Yes, but someones daughter is getting railed regardless if you are watching the scene or not. You are deluding yourself into thinking that whether you watch it or not has any impact on the actions in the scene. That is borderline insanity. Almost like OCD.

What you are doing is basically saying:
>looking at this makes me feel bad, therefore I will ignore it and then it will magically dissappear, because the only reason it ever appeared in the first place was because I saw it and if I stop watching it, it will no longer exist and furthermore, it will never have existed in the first place.

Which is lunacy.

If you really feel bad about someones daughter really getting pounded and degraded, I don't but you might for some reason, then you need to actually do something about it. And no, no longer watching porn is not one of those things. You need to actually change society, in order to prevent it from happening in the future. Changing the actions of others, not of yourself. Perhaps go to /pol/ and start campaigning for a different culture surrounding sex. They'll probably say the solution is to gas all the jews that run the porn industry.

I'm in the same age and position as you more or less.
The fear of all relationships being transactional is something that holds me back from seeking real companionship, I feel like it asks a price of me I don't want to give and that's the extent of its meaning. Particularly when that price seems to be my identity and freedom.

I don't feel like I'm addicted so much as I just lack the belief deep down in something more being out there even if I didn't feel impaired in the sexual market.

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Dude can you try to see the guys point of view. I feel like you're missing his point and getting outraged at an argument he isn't making.

is this a trap :/

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this is a question for science. Unfortunately it's understudied, but there is some work.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574?utm_source=Silverchair Information Systems&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=JAMAPsychiatry:OnlineFirst05/28/2014

basically, it's probably bad for you, especially in large doses. Kind of fucks with your dopamine substrates.

that's a lady.

>At the risk of maybe ousting myself as a fraud I preface my short sentiment with this: for the sake of my own prosperity my insight on the topic of pornography is limited.

>To watch and to be within a pornographical video of almost any sort is akin to watching and being with your favorite television show. As any American television viewer will readily admit openly yet not feel open to discourse any further on the idea that they're daily viewing is detrimental to their mind, the American porn viewer will do the same. And so while watching the screen in either case he may occasionally consciously be aware of his involvement in the spectacle, but at any given time he is both willing and able or unconscious of the fact that he may slip into that comfortable reality viz. not his reality. Whether we are right or wrong in knowing this escape is detrimental--that is not the question. Whether we have a choice in escaping our comfortable escape--it is obvious.

Was he right, Veeky Forums?

There's some funny business going on where her vagina should be

His report on going to visit the Porn Awards in Las Vegas was an amazing essay

He uses chicane and clerestory in it. It's shit.

Some girls just have phat pussies

No, he was an eschatological moralizer and a complete fucking hypocrite.

What, I don't know this meme

I agree, but Kayden Cross's thoughts on it changed my perspective. Everyone here should check it out. brobible.com/girls/article/our-conversation-with-kayden-kross/

She says porn was going through some weird changes, and out of all the people, they stuck DFW with Max Hardcore... She's a huge DFW fan and seems alright.

Forgetting about everything else for a second (if that's possible for this argument), would the fact that he is an "eschatological moralizer and a complete fucking hypocrite" detract from his thoughts on television and entertainment and weed addiction? Some people say IJ is impenetrable and while I certainly think it's neither clear-cut OR especially deep in the sense that Shakespeare or Joyce or Pynchon can be, but it's a different beast entirely. Without going into it I'd say it's television in literature form. It definitely has plenty to offer.

Also, can you explain "eschatological moralizer."

pls explain

Porn is one of the most destructive forms of self pleasure that any person can take part in. Porn is bad for any adolescent teen growing up. Not to mention Jews own most of the porn production companies, you can imagine why.

After all that idolizing, he's realizing it's dude. XD

Gonzo porn exists though and there's still a ton of nasty shit being made. Max Hardcore might be an extreme end but that just makes him all the more compelling to examine

I read IJ as an overblown jeremiad against 'folk pleasures' that offers nothing in exchange but a mirror in which 'otiose and jejune' minds can more fully perceive the grotesquerie Wallace sees in them. And a plaintively self-aware (really just viciously cynical) indulgence in those very things he denounced does not lend his 'warnings' any greater credence or substance.

Is frequent masturbation harmful if I don't watch porn?
I masturbate 2-4 times a day but I haven't watched porn in roughly 6 years, I just use my imagination when I jerk it.

You're probably just high-t or something, or you're a teenager.

>be me
>stop watching porn
>stop fapping
>become more aggressive/confident
>girls suddenly attracted to me
>get laid
>get laid again and again
>return to my docile self
>not able to get laid anymore

there has to be some sort of middle way

Damn, thanks for the insight man. I have to admit IJ has shown some "grotesquerie" in me as you say, without a real straightforward solution. Lately when I think about it I find myself running circles thinking about what the significance behind many scenes are, one of them being Incandenza's actual Infinite Jest: why Joelle VD being a mother over a crib forces people to watch until they die, or kill themselves (I read it as we just want our pretty mother to take care of us, and when we realize that's never going to happen and we can't take the pain any longer we kill ourselves) and if that significance IS in fact significant, or if I'm just applying my own woes to a bloated text.

Do you have an opinion on why DFW killed himself? I like to think he truly felt anxiety/depression throughout every waking hour, like Gompert describes her depression.

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Nah, you're not. Isolation is good and a life alone is not a bad thing, but don't deny yourself one of life's greatest pleasures flippantly. I understand asceticism to live a more fulfilling life, but I believe sex and companionship is an integral part of knowing what living really feels like.

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Some intense qts on here. Gotta roll

Porn is completely fine as long as you're not a virgin.

Dude don't feel bad about liking rough porn, many women out there like it that way too. In fact almost every woman I've been with likes it rough, and I haven't slept with many overtly rough types. I'm 21 and have trouble talking to some women too, it's a skill like anything else that you have to practice to improve. Even chatting to the lady checking out your groceries and smiling at people walking by has helped me.

>most destructive forms of self pleasure
What about alcohol and other hard grugs like heroine? Or is that separate category?

sex without orgasm

Guessing you're a Nabokov fan

just embrace your betaness, accept your life as serving women

rol desu

I was born with a defect (micropenis) so I'll never have sex, and all I can say is that if it wasn't for porn I'd blow my brains out.

I'm into some hardcore shit, and I'm sure an argument could be made about how it's fucked me up, but really, since it'll never manifest into reality, it's not an issue.

Although, I am worried about the future of CG and hentai porn. I'm calling it now, when that stuff goes mainstream, all the good stuff (bestiality, incest, rape, etc) will be banned.

nabokov is an obnoxious faggot and I hate his writing, the only thing I like about him is his extreme contrarianism
I also enjoy big tits, perfect girls peak at age 16 and have large breasts

If some of these are the real reason then America really needs to get its shit together. Marijuana illegal? I legitimately don't even smoke the stuff and that is ridiculous.

Land of the free indeed.

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tried a bunch of times to quit, haven't managed. went nofap the whole of 2014 and half of 2015 though. felt really fucking proud of myself.
but at the same time jerking it to porn feels pretty damn good and it's a great stress relief so i don't even know what's better.

i'm doubtful that the guilt factor is healthy. it has to be environmental, it makes no sense biologically. plus i'd tend to think it's probably counter-intuitive to beat yourself up about it, since that shame is actually an integral part of the addiction cycle.

You're crazy. But okay. I don't think it disappears, I just don't want to watch it happen. I can't control them, but I don't have to watch it.

A better way to change it would probably be to go to church though, fuck pol