Where do I start with feminist and queer theory?

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>tfw mysterious turn of the century women in central european painting will never sit on your face

Fuck off, you degenerate

There already is one, from years ago.

read John Money.
He is the root of all this feminism/queer bullshit.

Why all this hate?

Feminism and queer theory is arguable the apex achievement of Western civilization

Please argue this, Satan.

Is posting about feminism the way to purge this board of /pol/ interlopers? It seems to be triggering them much more than marxism already does.

youtube.com/watch?v=SLFGMWoQaCU

Ask your parents.

look at femdom porn on /gif/

Although it's the designated enemy, /pol/ can accept parts of Marxism.

Feminism, on the other hand, really makes them mad on a personal level.

It's the empowerment of those fucking women that rejected them and won't suck their penis

In a women's bathroom.

Watching at least 24 hours of real voyeur video is OK, although it's still can't be compared to hiding inside some Asian latrine.

Remember: women have hundreds of hours of toilet experience. You can't walk in their shoes until you pissed into them accidentally.

John Money was a pervert, I still enjoy reading feminism and queer theory.

C'mon, you think Evola and the rest of the /pol/-core were fucking innocent?

ITT: Veeky Forums getting triggered

kind of a strange list, the top portion is indeed feminist theory.

Op, I'd start with Judith Butler (Cyborg Manifesto, Gender Troube) and Dworkin (Intercourse). Helene Cixous and Kristeva aren't bad places to start either.

people not on this list Eve Sedgwick, Michel Foucault's History of Sexuality

Do all these "queer theoreticians" ever stop and think how fucking bourgeois they are?
Not a sinlge actual working class man or woman gives a flying fuck about your the complexities of your poopdicking and bug chasing.

Joanna Russ

>feminism:everything after first wave is just man-hating

>queer theory: why are we so fucking gay?

yep that's the apex, sure beats all that architecture and math and exploration

Origin of the Family etc by Engels
Male Fantasies by Klaus Theweleit

the female eunuch by germaine greer

Gender dysphoria affects people from all walks of life. But yes, it is true that the working class suffers from the most repression and therefore has the least visible such class of people.

What's wrong with hating men?

100% of people who do not understand the very interesting epistemological consequences of gender have not read Bodies That Matter.

>philosopher Judith Butler
>dropped

1. Your belief there are no working class people who care about it is bizarre. It shows how completely isolated you must be in life that you don't realize that massive amounts of working class people are gay/trans.

2. Very few working class men or women give a flying fuck about the complexities of space travel, mathematics or chemistry (let alone literature or philosophy) but it's not really argument against those fields is it?

I agree, but I think it's more accurate to say that massive amounts of gay/trans people are working class.

i despise women who sucked my penis even more than the ones who didn't. i despise myself and i despise the degeneracy i got caught into.

>hurr men are so great durr

is there anything worse than cis white men???

A circle of self hatred:

I present to you the alt-right

Why can't you learn to live and let live?
You should focus your hate on your masters denying you healthcare

some people have no time to think about what they feel their gender is beacause they are too busy working. that's what he was trying to say i think.

False flag!

i have free healtcare and consider myself a communist
i'm also scared i might have aids

that they mostly love women so by hating them you hate women too

>live and let live
kill yourself liberal

get tested dude. Its not a death sentence. People live a long time with it, and there are promising new studies with bone marrow transplants. For the first time I can remember, there is actual hope that HIV can be cured.

I agree with what your saying but this ridiculous obsessive hate you find on Veeky Forums is just as retarded

>apex achievement of Western civilization

hahahahah holy shit

Veeky Forums is not like most of Veeky Forums. I see /pol/like posts but they are always way better argumented than real /pol/ posts.

go away leftist subhuman

you are not welcome on this website

1. It's 5-10%, as with all populations
2.Advancements in chemistry, math, etc. can be used to help the lower classes (medicine, technology). What in queer theory helps the working class?

Queer theory helps queer people, who make up 5-10% of the working class.

>leftist

Left and right are political terms originally used to describe factions in early 19th century French politics.

They have no meaning in the 21st century

what material help it provides?
list it please

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Right wing beta faggot detected

Please leave the internet

I would also like to see this

bernie can still win

make my wife's son's dream come true and vote communist

Bernie is further to the right than Trump you gigantic faggot

drumpfthf btfo how can he recover

Lay down hell of a garage you cunt

Broader acceptance of their sexuality and related conditions and more robust resources to address issues related to these on both personal and official terms. Do you think there would be gay marriage, legal status for trans people, and the medical/psychological resources available to both today without queer theory?

what did he unironically mean by this

This applies to gay people regardless of their socio-economic status. We're talking about the working class.

Communism won in America 2016

Yes. There are no benefits of queer theory specific to the working class, and no one in this thread ever said there were. The form of your argument is a "straw man."

If it applies regardless of class then it applies to the working class.

The beginning question made by is what I'm referring to.

I don't see the part of the post where he says "because there are no benefits of queer theory which apply exclusively to the working class."

the "accept your sexuality" is an idea inherently modern that has been presented to us only when everything started to be packaged as an identity to be bought. human sexuality was way more complex than how is it presented todays.

queer theory creates the problem they think are being resolved.

I don't think queer theory existed in the times of Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing, yet those two still seemed to face some issues. I also present to you this chart demonstrating the codification of sexuality non-acceptance which existed prior to the foundation of queer theory.

But can you honestly say "Queer theory helps the working class" when 90-95% of the population is unaffected?

>Gender dysphoria affects people from all walks of life.
Only because the internet accelerated the spread of fashionable neuroses to light speed.

Yes

That's the cause for some of the claimants, but I doubt it has much to do with the interclass penetration.

don't get me wrong, i'm absolutely against punishing people for their sexual behavior apart pedos.

my point is a bit autist: most of the problems EVERYONE faces today is the obsession to have an identity - many identities also, as they're cheap to buy. and queer theorists, just like many feminist scholars, force a perception of reality that fabricates most of those problem. think about the outing-craze by queer activists during the 80s.

also, every acceptance-something discourse is stupidish at best, because the best way to live our life is not to worry about how other people filter ourself which is what acceptance activist want: to change the way we are seen as gays, trans, fat, blue haired or whatever; to change it for the better, everyone should bless everyone etc; that is not only impossible, because we don't have the means to do so (partly we do have means to do so: propaganda), but also heinous.

>mfw this thread

>yes
E L I T I S T

Your real problem is consumer society. Queer theory itself isn't to blame for whatever is co-opted by capitalism and in fact is congruent with its undoing. Also the types of 'queerness' present in the media barely scratches the surface.

>because the best way to live our life is not to worry about how other people filter ourself which is what acceptance activist want

What the activist wants is primarily to be left alone for what constitutes that person which cannot be helped.

Going into space! Mathematics! Quantum mechanics! The secrets of the universe! It's all there! Life is fiery with its beauty! Its incredible detail! Tuning into it!

being gay is no different than being a furry, stop identifying as your sexual fetishes

Not the guy from , but:
>Interdisciplinary, applies to many fields, including literature, philosophy, history, biology, psychology
>Utilizes methodology from all fields listed above; "standing on shoulders of giants" applies as much here as it does to recent breakthroughs in physics/maths
>Has enabled the creation of new sub-fields within these broader fields
>Explains/explores some of the rarest and most complex states of human existence
>Is the chief lens through which many are viewing the upcoming posthuman age
It's a useful and interesting thing to study. I'd still argue pure maths is more fulfilling/beautiful, but I'm biased in that regard.

>Queer theory itself isn't to blame for whatever is co-opted by capitalism and in fact is congruent with its undoing.
Stop joking around, you've been coopted by capitalism as another "lifestyle choice" without even realizing it and you also serve as a low-hanging fruit for the left that distracts from a change in the regime of production. You're as much a product of capitalism as an iPhone is.

Don't. Read Sheila Jeffreys instead.

>you've been coopted by capitalism as another "lifestyle choice" without even realizing it

I literally just told you this so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I haven't realised it. Please pay attention. Also 'I' haven't been co-opted -- we're not arguing from the only two opposing positions available.

>distracts from a change in the regime of production.

Not really -- as I said it is congruent even if outcomes from the theory have found their way onto the market. Like I said, it barely scratches the surface. Not all queer theory is commodified.

It's like you didn't even read my post. You barely acknowledged what I said and haven't come up with an adequate response.

it's just that i see empirically way too many young queer folks that wear their sexuality as an accessory and define themselves thru it & i think gender theory helped this situation as it implies we can choose what we are - the chat we are having here would be deemed queerphobic

>Jeffreys stated in a 2014 ABC Radio "Sunday Night Safran" program that transsexual women are either "homosexual men who don’t feel they can be homosexual in the bodies of men" or "heterosexual men who have a sexual interest in wearing women’s clothes and having the appearance of women", provoking criticism from members of the Indigenous and trans communities for racism and transphobia.

holy shit

gender-academia-industry-complex BTFO

It's academic wankery friend.

Well I've seen activists who are actual Marxist rather than 'liberal' who propose decolonisation, ending the continuation and effects of capitalism, which includes the imposition of binary gender identities. I can't honestly reconcile this side of queer theory with the young people who accessorise their queerness. But they're young anyway and not really into theory itself. I doubt they read it really.

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>racism
what

trannies are a race now?

>the sky is blue
Haha but you didn't argue it on my terms so I guess you're wrong ecks dee

>666
Oh, that explains it.
Christian cleansing of all this degeneracy by force when?

>everything I say is as obvious as "the sky is blue"
>anyone who wants me to explain my reasoning is either stupid or trolling
ecks dee indeed, my dude

DEUS

VULT

You don't.

FINALLY someone posted this comment. I've been waiting since the start of the thread.

Is this bait? It's an opinion, nobody has to explain how they got to their conclusions to you.

That's what a discussion is, though. If we just assert opinions at each other, we can't get anything out of the conversation. If we understand why we think what we do, and explain ourselves to one another, then we can learn something. That way, even if neither party changes his mind, both go away with something to think about.

tl;dr Shouting an opinion onto the internet is pointless unless you explain it.

I think you're wrong but I'm not gonna tell you why :^)