When will the far right embrace islam?

never because that was satire

Kek

What do you consider leftist about him? He thinks internationalism is a mistake, he thinks leaving behind religion is a mistake, he thinks feminism is a mistake, he thinks the sexual revolution is a mistake.

He basically looks upon modernity as one big fat mistake. In his earlier work he may have suggested moving beyond it as quickly as possible via transhumanism, but now he seems to say that we have to go back. Although we can't and we're fucked and so on of course.

Both of you, explain yourselves please. Sources.

He consistently identifies all of those issues as symptoms of Western capitalism, which he's critical of.

>only lefties are critical of capitalism

It's much more poignant to ask what Houellebecq isn't critical of, than what he is critical of.

Why is it so shameful to admit to being Right-Wing that people feel like they have to make half-hearted critiques of "capitalism" before they can safely express their right-wing views?

Let's not pretend that Houellebecq is a leftist just because he thinks the Free Market has commodified the sexual revolution.

>muh left/right paradigm

isnt it enough to assign to Houellebecq the title of iconoclast or Swiftian?

This. I have real problems seeing any positive ideology in any of his works. Even male vitality, which is perhaps the uniting "positive" trait of many of his characters, is almost repulsive in his means of description.

At this point, the left has shattered into so many different, sometimes competing, identities that anyone who stands against any specific aspect is labeled right wing.

Houellebecq may have some traditional socialist leanings, but in his obvious misogyny and disgust at both western liberal and Islamic cultural mores, can be safely labeled as "right"

So much for that shitty labeling system.

I would honestly prefer Islam to liberal democracy.

If liberals are so enticed by Islam, why don't they all just convert?

He was right on everything. If instead of Macron we had a moderate muslim candidate for presidency, it would be all the same. The present campaign shows that anyone consensual will have success if people believe he's the one able to defeat Marine Le Pen.
As a matter of fact, Macron is no muslim, but it would have made no difference.

They arent. They believe in the acceptance of all cultures, and the harmony in governance of all peoples.

Unfortunately Islam is not just religion, it is a political/legal entity, and does not allow for competition. Furthermore, many aspects of Islam are directly in conflict with basic tenants of small l "liberalism" as reflected in the Napoleonic Code or first wave feminism and the 1964 civil rights acts. Thus, Soumission.

Didn't say he was, but one of the main characters in the novel is a former nationalist that embraces Islam. That seems pretty realistic to me. I've always believed that if /pol/ got past its Islamophobia, they would find much in common with the Taliban.

>If liberals are so enticed by Islam

They aren't. They just apply "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Left liberals in America hate capitalism, Islamists also hate America and capitalism, so they are perfect buttbuddies.

It's not a coincidence that the term "Islamophobe" is being use solely by leftists against right-wing agitators against Muslim immigration.

>Left liberals in America hate capitalism
You lost me there.

Well, they do hate capitalism, at least that's what they say. The question is if they actually believe what they are saying.

>hypocrisy is not a thing

>heh, this peasant complains about Serfdom, yet his rake was made under Serfdom!

>performative contradictions are actually logical

> implying traditional islamic followers aren't far-right

Ask your muslim grandparents what they think of homosexuals. You'll be pelted with enough fruit loaf to send you back into the days of the prophet mohammad, salaam alaikum

Religious right is the most pleb form of right wing movements tbqh

The term you are looking for is recuperation. Capitalism is more than capable of profiting off anti-capitalism

>you can't critique capitalism if you're wearing clothes

Great argument m8

when houellebecq stops being a hack

That's no what I am saying.

What I am saying is that if you buy a new Iphone every time a new one comes out, and claim to be a committed anti-capitalist, you do not have the courage of your convictions.

It might be hard for you to hear, but there it is.

>leftists are all nihilists

except capitalism creates need to have the new iphone, to compete in its markets, fiscal and social.

ad hominem attacks are never relevant to the truth of an argument

Capitalism only forces you to play the game on the most elementary level, e.g on the level of the property arrangement.

You either need to work for the government, or the private sector, which means you have to associate with a bureaucratic boss, or a capitalist.

That's the extent you are forced to engage in capitalism. Literally everything else is up to you, including buying Che Guevara T-shirts and buying expensive smartphones.

The post-Marxist Left is definitely nihilistic, hence the New Left's infatuation with Nietzsche. Say what you will about Marxism, at least it is a coherent worldview.

Sick autism.

You need a smartphone of some sort to hold even menial jobs. It's like owning a car in Dallas, technically you don't have to but you really have to.

then fuck off back to Pakistan

>Either way, liberalism is done for because it's an ideology without a functioning immune system that offers no gratification. It's a vacuum waiting to be filled by something more assertive.
>tfw

>You need a smartphone of some sort to hold even menial jobs

Is this a joke?

not menial jobs, but if you want to have the job in which you can afford time to argue intelligently against capitalism you need a smartphone.

> TFW you live in Deep Ellum and walk to the office on Commerce in Downtown

>muh assertiveness
>muh """"authority""""
Epic LOL!

>Either way, liberalism is done for because it's an ideology without a functioning immune system that offers no gratification. It's a vacuum waiting to be filled by something more assertive.

The one good thing about the decline of the West is that self righteous libs are getting their comeuppance.

far-right joined islam in france when they wanted to stop same-sex marriage from being legalized

imo he does never imply those were mistakes, he just describes where it has lead us and how one can try to or reach happiness in these conditions. it's you who feels sorry for bruno or michel or jed or whoever. he says happiness can be achievable, yet some force majure won't let his characters achieve it (the possibility still remains tho)

>liberalism doesn't even have arguments

no sensible culture has ever allowed fag marriage, islam isn't special for this

yeah but post-modern bullshit > islam

Post-modernism throws the baby out with the bathwater.

Houllebecq has spoken against the ethics of charcuterie in the Map and the Territory. He thinks it's not man's place to kill such a smart animal for meat.

>hen they first meet, he lectures Jed about the importance of renouncing pork products out of respect for the intelligence of pigs; some time later, surrounded by packets of chorizo and mortadella and pâté de campagne, he admits despairingly: "I've completely relapsed into charcuterie."

he's a contradictory bucko

Western capitalism as it exists is a product of liberalism (not in the American sense). There's no contradiction in being illiberal and right wing.

I feel like that relapse was emblematic of his difficulties. His convictions were made to be subordinate to his empty self comforting indulgence.

if it's that important, your boss will give you a phone

sounds like he's actually a secret muslim

Because Hitler.

If its that important, you should have bought a phone already

>liberalism defeated communism and nazism
>idiots think it will fall to islam or petty-nationalism

Give it a few decades and all Muslims in Europe will be drinking alcohol and having pre-marital sex. They're probably starting to do it now.

>Righties love Capitalism

What is this, the fucking 80s?

They take the Evola approach nowadays.

>except capitalism creates need to have the new iphone
>Blaming Capitalism for your consumerism and utter lack of will power

>the New Left's infatuation with Nietzsche

I fucking WISH they were infatuated with Nietzsche.

He'd kick the Leftism out of them in no time.

I think it's much more likely that the left is going to let too many Muslims come in, they're going to keep changing laws that precipitate degeneracy and degrade our society's collective morality to the point where it will trigger and very violent reaction that will lead to a genocide of Muslims in Europe. There is precedent in history of this sort of thing happening. Before the Nazis rose to power "progressive" minded people ran Germany into the ground as far as morals go. For the average German the Nazis were a righteous reaction to the BDSM and prostitutes that plagued Berlin and they cleaned the streets up which earned them a lot of support. The degradation and destructive policies of the left reached a critical mass and I think we're seeing it rise again in the west. There is a limit to how far people can be pushed and it's getting close, people will not willingly live in an Islamic country.

Soon?

>army of nudist fascist warriors

Soon.

this. it isn't really hard to see if you actually interact with muslim people, there are a few at my college who at the start of freshman year were trying, but they are drinking at fucking now. it's not a path that can be rewound

>interacts with spoiled upper class yank muslims

That's a whole different story. Come to blue collar neighbourhoods in Europe where they teach the pious children to not even make eye contact with the kuffar and enforce shariah in the neighbourhood.

But that's literally the exact opposite of what's happening, Islam is becoming way more conservative the longer its exposed to Liberalism.

that's just not true. we may be seeing a micro-reaction with radical islam, but over time exposure to capitalism will bring them to where we are now. look at long term rather than short term.

Why do you think this?

because muslims (who have been the enemy of western civilization for over 1000 years) are going to integrate just like the irish and italians did, and if you disagree you're literally hitler

Yeah bro your personal anecdotes totally negate all that objective evidence floating around on the internet.

Personally the idea of drunk Muslims rampaging around doesn't do much to allay my concerns, especially after those alcohol fueled rape mobs in Sweden.

your "objective" evidence is completely without foundation. you can skew the stats any way you want to with enough effort.

i can't tell if you guys are memeing or not so I'm not going to argue too seriously. but interact with the people who you call rapists or criminals or whatever

what are good translations of Hoolebeck?

He's a boogyman to the liberal left, check out the many furious academic articles on his work comparing it to fascism

>Pays for overpriced shit
>Complains about it fully aware of how shit it is

Not even Islam is immune to the effects of feel good liberalism. Hence the phenomenon a of hijabis literally campaigning for transgender bathrooms and sticking cocks up bums

When will Veeky Forums stop being triggered by non-leftard world views?

that quote just cucked me

what book is that from

Non conforming views are literally rape.

>Americanized inner-city "muslims"

Come to Europe you fucking faggots.

I have sympathy for both positions. On the one hand, western capitalism has an almost unstoppable way of atomizing and individualizing people, so a unified radical/reactionary muslim front against western liberalism is highly unlikely. Then again, it can provide no ideological or philosophical substitute.
I know from experience that muslim immigrants tend to keep a reserved respect for their religion even while they're participating in western, sinful exploits. It's not the full-blown, enlightenment-tier atheism that completely rejects every religious principle, far from it. They're superstitious, scared and often still tied to it through their family, which is why I'm hesitant to believe anyone that claims Muslims will automatically become good, western secular citizens.

What the /pol/tards claim is also partially true though, they rarely ever have an interest in participating in or preserving whatever they find in their new home countries, be it France, Germany or wherever. It's oftne alien to them and they, at best, participate in it for individual reasons, but they almost always stay outside of existing cultural traditions (Sports might be an exception, especially football). And it's not because they're excluded for racist or xenophobic reasons, it's because there's a cultural and sentimental gap that's wide enough for it to make a difference. Muslim immigrants participate in western culture through individualist/capitalist channels and the institutions they can't avoid, like School. But that's it, they have no interest in perpetuating or improving it, and the master narrative they will return to is Islam or the Nationalism of their ancestor's countries.

There are many examples around the world where non-Western countries are embracing capitalism but rejecting secularism and liberalism. Turkey, for example.

One thing that I don't think a lot of people recognize is that in the Islamic religion there is a sort of built in fail-safe to stop people from becoming too liberalized. People may find Muslims that drink lots of beer, have gay sex, and are fully accepting of whatever progressive bullshit is being forced down peoples throats but that isn't going to stop those specific Muslims from becoming radicalized. There is a guaranteed way to heaven for every Muslim and that's through Jihad. At any time a Muslim can be overwhelmed with the sin and take this guaranteed route no matter how sinful they've been in life. We've seen this happen before with the Paris attackers and the Gay nightclub shooter with how they used to do lots of drugs and visit gay clubs.

No matter how liberalized they become as a population they will always be a danger because that is an inherent theological view that can't be changed.

>not being an anti-immigration socialist because you understand immigration is used to keep wages down and divide workers
that being said, I hate 90% of people on my side of the political spectrum for being bleeding heart useful idiots for corporations

India too, that's probably the biggest geopolitical trend atm.

Not sure but it's persuasive tbqh

I have become anti-political and anti-economical.

Honestly the far right should just embrace the old testament

>One thing that I don't think a lot of people recognize is that in the Christian religion there is a sort of built in fail-safe to stop people from becoming too liberalized. People may find Catholics that drink lots of beer, have gay sex, and are fully accepting of whatever progressive bullshit is being forced down peoples throats but that isn't going to stop those specific Catholics from becoming radicalized. There is a guaranteed way to heaven for every Catholic and that's through Crusading. At any time a Catholic can be overwhelmed with the sin and take this guaranteed route to Jerusalem no matter how sinful they've been in life. We've seen this happen before with the First, Second, and all those other Crusades with how they used to do lots of drugs and visit children's brothels.

>No matter how liberalized they become as a population they will always be a danger because that is an inherent theological view that can't be changed.

The only guaranteed way to heaven for a Christian is to be martyred. Muslims also have this but in addition to that they're guaranteed a spot in heaven for running infidels down in semi trucks so it's not comparable.

top tier post

True Christianity is pretty much dead in the West. It's basically indistinguishable from any other type of self-help at this point (pic related). From an outsider's perspective, Islam doesn't appear to have completely lost its spiritual vitality

When Islam adopts memes as its primary method for disseminating information.

Get on their level

i'm glad people are realizing that all abrahamic sand nigger cultist religions are exactly identical

What a monstrous lack of perspective or intelligence.