"If you're doing it [masturbation] 20 times a day; if your primary sexual relationship is with your hand...

>"If you're doing it [masturbation] 20 times a day; if your primary sexual relationship is with your hand, something is wrong... You're running a movie in your head. You're having a fantasy relationship with somebody who is not real... strictly to stimulate a neurological response. So as the Internet grows in the next 10, 15 years, and virtual reality pornography becomes a reality, we're gonna have to develop some real machinery inside our guts... to turn off pure, unalloyed pleasure.... It's gonna get easier and easier and more and more convenient and more and more pleasurable to sit alone with images on a screen. Given to us by people who do not love us but want our money. And that's fine in low doses, but if it's the basic main staple of your diet, you're gonna die"

Well Veeky Forums, was he right?

i'm gonna die? look who's talking

This is basically what I think when people say "just google it retard". Well, maybe I want to talk to someone ;-;

the idea that virtual reality is unreal and therefore illegitimate is regressive luddism

To an extent yes.

He's overreacting though. At least in terms of what we have going on right now. In the future God knows how bad it will get.

/pol/sters like to say that the west will crumble due to a lack of belief in itself and a submission to more willful ideologies. I think one of the biggest threats is a future where nobody bothers to breed. The state might need to restrict access to pornography at some point. I don't know of the future will have 90% of the population hooked up on VR sex machines or fraternities with android mates. All I can say is that a civilisation isn't sustainable if everyone does it.

Fraternising*

>future God knows how bad it will get.
That's what he's talking about mate. You don't have to pin it down to happening last year crikey.

I thought dfw did his shit in the 90s, but I guess he is alluding to our future too.

I can see laws passed to ban certain kinds of escapism, or at least limit them. Didn't the Chinese do something similar with Wow?

>The state might need to restrict access to pornography at some point.

Restricting access to pornography doesn't magically make men more attractive to women and make them want to procreate with them.

The reason the West isn't breeding is because women now have high status and high-paying jobs compared to the pre-60s era, which means the batch of eligible mates is miniscule.

When someone puts a quote next to a portrait-picture, people assume that the quote must contain some truth.
But what if you just say fuck you?

>"If you're doing it [masturbation] 20 times a day; if your primary sexual relationship is with your hand, something is wrong...

Okay. Well actually, mr. DFW, you dead gay retard, nothing is wrong.

The vast majority of people are happy, social creatures. The minority of disconnected losers who only get their kicks from the internet and porn would have been creepy losers in any era, and as for the even more minuscule minority of histrionic pussies who offed themselves, well, that's 0.01% of the stupid cunt population.

It's literally nothing.

In a time of alpha females, only the apex-male is allowed to breed. This is the cause of the "beta uprising". Beta males are once again, being put in their place. The time of the true alpha has returned, soon, all young men will strive to become something greater than their mothers and fathers.

I'm assuming females will be using the Vr as well as males

Nah, women don't do anything for its own sake. They'll be out in the real world shaming guys who opt out of being providers for women.

>implying women will bother wasting their time on VR porn addicts

Not sure what you mean "for its own sake" I think women have the potential to be somnambulist pleasure seekers just as men do.

I think you'd be kidding yourself if you didn't acknowledge that there's beta female subcultures right now.

>tfw you don't trust other people enough to either have a child with them or adopt one

How does one overcome this crushing doubt? I'm not that ugly, and I can manage to be funny and interesting, but that's it. Wether my next partner will be a woman or a man I will always be scared of losing her/him after some sort of sexual revival in his life. I'm truly scared about losing him/her only because at some point he will want to have mindless sex with people more attractive than me, and I alreayd know that I'm way to narcissist and demanding to accept such a situation.

What can I do?

Are you a boy(male) a girl(male) or a girl(female)?

I'm a 22yo male (male).

>Given to us by people who do not love us but want our money. And that's fine in low doses, but if it's the basic main staple of your diet, you're gonna die"
holy shit
how do i get out of this rut Veeky Forums
last girl i tried dating friendzone me after she found out i was a bad kisser. do i need to get a 4/10 first ?

Yes, only idiots are unaware that VR is the herald of the end times.

2070 prediction: video games are gonna have better graphics

>Don't have a girlfriend
>Therefore I must masturbate to internet porn all the time

Nice reasoning there, bucko

yep, you're right. women will do anything for a traditional guy they respect, including leaving their high-paying jobs.

however, men who are respectable have become vanishingly rare since the advent of second-wave feminism, and women would rather forgo having a family than have a family with a man they don't really respect. even if a businesswomyn finds some numale she ends up marrying, she won't actually want to have his kids, and he'll tell himself he never actually wanted kids either.

porn is more symptomatic of the death of masculinity than it was a cause, but it's still a powerful tool for placating any motivation or spirit somehow left in the 2017 man

Fix it

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he literally predicted my existence from the last 12 months
I'm pretty sure this guy discovered Veeky Forums and totally predicted how this was going to develop and that is why he killed himself
what do you guys think he would be up to if he was alive? shitposting 24/7? psychward? totally happpy after overcoming depression? or was he too far beyond saving?

>You're having a fantasy relationship with somebody who is not real

So? I'd rather be with my waifu than a real woman. 2D > 3D

>He's overreacting though
Is he? I'm pretty sure there most be a lot of people who masturbate 20 times a day and have never been involved in real sexual action
Didn't some guy die a few years ago after he wanked like 42 times or something like that?

>women will do anything for a traditional guy they respect, including leaving their high-paying jobs.

No, that's not quite right. Women will leaving their high status/high pay job to have children if the man they marry has higher status and higher pay than they do.

Which was my point. Since women now have way higher status and higher pay themselves, the amount of men that women could even imagine marrying or having children with is getting smaller and smaller every day.

So is once a day alright?

WE ARE JUST GONNA KILL'EM

maybe people don't want to talk to retards

>soon, all young men will strive to become something greater than their mothers and fathers.

No, we'll just sit in our rooms and play video games. Trying to start a family isn't worth it anymore.

I guess so, I usually need 3
I lasted a decent amount of time doing no fap, like a month, but is the most addictive thing in this world, and this comes from a guy who had problems with benzos n'stuff
Do you fap with porn or with imagination?

>tfw reading Nietzsche and realize even someone of his power level would be just an innocent naive child in today's world

>Women will leaving their high status/high pay job to have children if the man they marry has higher status and higher pay than they do.
no, that's not quite right. higher status, better job, etc. will sometimes be enough for a woman to respect a man enough to want to have his kids, but not always. there are plenty of well-off virgins, or at least well-off men who can't find women willing to marry them, because they're too stupid or awkward to entertain as a partner.

The only woman Nietzsche loved lived a very modern life: she was smart, well-read, libertine and economically free.
She ditched him in prder to have a free, sexually open life, and she succeded in that.
Nietzsche's struggle is ours too.

I hate relating to that edgelord so much

its over we men have loss

Read him more and you'll find out hat he was a beautiful soul, a great artist and basically a prophet of everything that has happened in the last 100 years.

Don't dismiss him only because teenagers misread him and start acting like sociopaths. He's better than that.

Maybe as sexual predators, but we've still got our brain, passion, art and craft.
Disregard women and produce something great through science or art.

>tfw you can't do this while shitposting on Veeky Forums

I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT
I'M SICK OF LOSSING
Where the fuck is my vitality, my will, my bravery? How did I manage to sabotage myself this hard? Is it really just not within me anymore?
I'm fucking lossing it lads

we were always loss in the end..

>Disregard women and produce something great through science or art.
its hard when you realize you're only doing it to suppress your lack of love.
hang tight brother were all gonna make it

>if your primary sexual relationship is with your hand, something is wrong
so if you're single and masturbate once a week something is wrong?

You just need to find a good waifu and settle down

>its hard when you realize you're only doing it to suppress your lack of love.
There are other good reasons for doing it. Examine and contemplate them.

>Read him more and you'll find out hat he was a beautiful soul, a great artist and basically a prophet of everything that has happened in the last 100 years.
thats why it makes me so sad (that doesn't mean his writing style wasn't kind of edgy)

>just wait wait for the overman and support him, bros!
>the Y chromosome is literally going to stop existing
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

Life is suffering, it's now your turn to find meaning into that same suffering.

This is what he would have told you.

>its hard when you realize you're only doing it to suppress your lack of love.
others will relate and find love in it
the stars don't speak to the one who shines!

And what would DFW had told me?

i have and i still weep when i come home to an empty house
reeeeee WHY AM I SO FUCKING WEAK
WHERES MY WILL DRIVE

>strictly to stimulate a neurological response

The exact same could be said of having sex. He doesn't offer any rational difference between the two actions.

I'll talk to you :)

dfw btfo!!
fapping is the same as having sex goyim xD just chemicals in your brain bro that is what life is!!

And but so, stop masturbating to porn 24/7

>being this passionate
You're sitting on a pot of artistic gold. Study a craft and channel these raw feelings into it.
You will probably die penniless and borderline anonymous, but we're on Veeky Forums: you should be able to be fine with that.

This is nitpicking by way of purposeful density

you're right m8. i just gotta put all my energies into a craft.

Unless you're sceptical of any sort of metaphysical statement, sex with someone you truly love will always be more meaningful and enriching than masturbation.

not the same guy but I'm too worried about my craft being complete autobographical boring and unoriginal, it has to have some kind of edge to it
is this what creative writing classes are for?

Something shallow.

>Daily Mail

DFW is assuming that sexual gratification by itself is only legitimate when it is performed with other people. Assuming we're talking about single persons, which seems fair since this seems primarily like a sexual issue instead of an emotional one; is jerking off all the time any more harmful than fucking random people just as often?

Sex is sex. It's as basic of a retarded monkey impulse as hunger is. Who cares how you overcome it?

then why is he overlooked and dismissed

>Nietzsche
>overlooked and dismissed

Keep not reading 20th and 21st century philosophy

Non of them get him

Even when you are social it doesn't remove the crushing pressure to retreat. Even when you are social within a 'progressive', 'artistic' community, it does not remove the alienated feeling that causes this retreat. It is something inside of you that is causing this retreat, and it is the fear that gnaws at your will that is killing you. Potential not even 'will', but a respect for your place within the interconnection of all things.

>>ITT Veeky Forums defends masturbating with more rigorous logic than anyone here can muster for their own sense of wellbeing

Aww I never thought about it that way :(

>not fracturing your life into Social Being and Virtual Being where you can enjoy the aspects of each end of the spectrum

What do you expect... Is the closest thing most of us have experienced to love and affection in years, some in their entire lifes

>but if it's the basic main staple of your diet, you're gonna die

I swear you can't make this shit up!

why is literally 90% of anything complex not understood by literally 90% of everybody?

fuck off.

we're in a state of overpopulation right now, and I'd think war or famine is more of an immediate and long-term threat to our species than pornography deterring us from procreating is

I personally don't want to bring a kid into this sick world which is the main thing driving me away from that in my mind right now

>all suffering has meaning

kek

ok sure have fun living in that cave of yours, friendo. virtual reality is not reality. it is an objectively inferior experience.

this is the problem with our modern society: people are afraid to say that something is WRONG and INFERIOR. i feel sorry for people like you, i really do. maybe one day, on your virtual deathbed high among the fractal clouds of your own design, you will understand.

the world is only as sick as the environment in which you encase yourself in

>your life< can't envelop the entire planet, only an insignificant portion of it, so find another plot if you're dissatisfied, really

is this good?

>tfw DFW will never be your college professor

Why even live?

>why is literally 90% of anything complex not understood by literally 90% of everybody?

Sad truth.

there is a difference between someone wanting to engage in stimulating conversation and someone just being lazy and wanting you to do their job man.

faggot

>reading comprehension

>We're

No, we're not. The west isn't overpopulated, it has skewed demographics but that's it

Thirld-World countries are overpopulated and still breeding like mad, and there's no cultural or political mechanism in those countries to stop that

>The reason the West isn't breeding is because women now have high status and high-paying jobs compared to the pre-60s era, which means the batch of eligible mates is miniscule.

Yes it would. Try noporn + nofap. After just 90 days of noporn + nofap, I developed razor-sharp focus, like being on adderall without any side-effects all the time, my initiative sky-rocketed, I was energized, slept well, looked healthier, started eating clean without any effort, my voice got deeper, I was happier in general, I became much wittier, I developed a seeming magnetism on women, got laid frequently, could slow down the flow of time through sheer will alone, could move small objects with my mind, could levitate in place, developed precognition, learned the secret name of G*d which allowed me to summon a Golem to do my bidding, unlocked the secret metaphysical truths of the cosmos and became the master of the universe and lord of all creation.

excellent post

He's right, but he fails to recognise (perhaps from experience) that most men are resigned to the images, and don't prefer them

DFW was a chad lite. Smart, good looking in a frumpy kind of way. He had it all.

You can only get redpilled on sexuality from ugly motherfuckers like Houellebecq

Kek

your a retard

this bland faith in anything technological just because it is novel is not logical or sane... it's regressive technofetishism .... and how pathetic it is to write off any criticism of specific technologies with a "Muh ludditism"

>The reason the West isn't breeding is because women now have high status and high-paying jobs compared to the pre-60s era, which means the batch of eligible mates is miniscule.

that's a pretty stupid and facile explanation. Surely there must be a lot more factors at play

>more and more
What did he mean by this?

>it doesn' turn you into a god so it means it's worse than the alternative

When I do nofap it takes 3 hours+ to fall asleep

When I fap I wake up in the middle of a night with a raging boner and can't go back to sleep.

My brain is fucking crippled from this insomnia.

Hire an escort and finally sort that out, user.

My hand fucks me better than expensive escorts.

What is the fucking issue? Why is women's masturbation celebrated but men can't?

Jesus I hate this world

Like what?

>What is the fucking issue? Why is women's masturbation celebrated but men can't?


Because men are still supposed to be the proactive ones and women the receptive ones, and this notion permeates our culture at every conceivable level, despite ardent efforts by some people to dispel this conviction, duh.

Thus, male masturbation is resignation to defeat, women's masturbation is of no significance whatsoever, so we may as well just celebrate that they fuck themselves with plastic penis electric dildos, because why not?

Increased income and social security nets have eroded the need to breed loads of children to take care of you when you're old and hyperindividualism has devalued establishing families in favor of personal advancement and development. Those are two I thought of immediately that I think are at least as good if not better explanatory theses.

Redpill (fuck I hate that word) thought is misguided. While I'll grant that it identifies certain explanations, it is myopic and puts much too much weight on these factors.

Places like England and Italy are definitely overpopulated. Japan too.