There's a fairly popular notion that Star Trek-style teleporters are suicide machines. Being disintegrated by one will kill the person, and the reassembled person will have the same memories of the old person, unaware that the other person just died. When they go to be teleported again, they are killed and do not experience any life beyond that point.
How could this be tested?
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No need. Transporter accidents resulting in clones leave no other possible conclusion.
>How could this be tested?
I'd argue there's nothing to test because the "thing" (continuity of "self") people think failed to carry over in this thought experiment never existed in the first place.
I think this thought experiment can be a good introduction to normies on how the Buddhist "no self" doctrine works, as long as you make the additional inference that not only is nothing carried over in the teleporter situation but that nothing is carried over from one instant to the next in any person's ordinary sequence of brain activity moments. The idea these difference moments of brain activity are all part of one continuous "self" entity is a narrative that forms after the fact as a convenience of reference rather than any real module that could ever be present or absent in a copy to begin with.
More or less this is how quantum entanglement teleportation of people will work.
However all the molecules needed to assemble the person teleporting must be present at the arrival site.
I enjoy this theory. 0 = 1, 1 = 1, 2 = 1, 3 = secret underground fighting club.
I don't understand how people fail to grasp this.
It's like a copy of a hard drive. Nothing more to it. Now there's two identical >you
and, optionally, one dies in a flash of light.
the same can be said of you at any at any arbitrarily close point in t (time coordinate).
its more a matter of semantics and definitions then anything you can test, and essentially depends on what two arrangements of particles you define as the same person .
most wouldn't call the particles that make you up as they were arranged 8 billion years ago by your name which suggests that it is the arrangement that receives the name and not the particles , but at no two instances in time is the arrangement the same .
the human convention appears to be for a human to assign the other human a name in his mind , and to update that assignment with newly observed arrangements that are sufficiently close (ambiguous) to the last arrangement . for example if i met someone an hour ago and see someone that looks close enough to the person i met an hour ago ill call the two by the same name despite them being different people.
in this way the person destroyed and the one assembled by the teleport ed are the same .
TL;DR : language is ambiguous , there is no answer and as the question isnt empirical no test can be constructed .
The only real way to travel is to use a power source and get there.
To test for a "Soul" one would simply need to kill someone and bring them back to life.
Or freeze them, as death is basically a zero point in energy as a whole.
Truth. /thread.
Why is the killer in drag?
He's not. Do you think aprons are women's clothes or something? He's just using an apron so the blood doesn't get on him, and also he's not wearing pants, again probably so he doesn't make a mess on them.
It depends whether it's digital (ie. sampling-based + rebuilding) or quantum teleportation. Quantum teleportation is literal 'full' teleportation.
>also he's not wearing pants
Assuming the original human is considered legally dead after the scan, would rape of a still living remainder be considered necrophilia?
What if we can somehow swap out regions of space?
Simple thought experiment: If you are atomized you die, ergo star trek style transporters do indeed kill you and then reconstitute you either from the original particles or new raw matter in the specified arrangement. If you want to go meta af on it then this dude is correct.
The thing we colloquially call a person is basically a 'process' with some overall characteristics. As such, if you copy that person, you will have another person of such characteristics. However I personally believe, due to experimentation with psychedelics, and its inherent consistency as an idea, that all consciousness (essentially qualia) and physical body is part of a greater whole which we don't perceive due to our evolved need to separate our phenotype from our environment. Hence, even in this sense your fundamental essence is preserved when copied, because we are fundamentally all just components of the universe.
its 2043, everyone is a transexual.
hitler already tried this
Well, no... In the case of Riker, his energy-matter stream was reproduced by interaction with exotic materials in a strange atmosphere. You could then objectively say that the duplicate signal was not Riker as it wasn't made up of the original energy.
The energy-matter transfer beam was Roddenberry's preemptive solution to the suicide booth concern. It ensures that the you are made up of your original energy when you materialize on the other end, and thus it could be excused as an extreme state change, rather than a suicide. Like full anesthesia, it involves an interruption of consciousness, but not an interruption in the temporal causality that forms you as a singular system in space-time.
Now, that episode of DS9 where they wipe the entire computer to retain the quantum state of folks after a transporter malfunction - that's another thing. ...But Star Trek isn't exactly known for its consistency.
The person doesn't die, the person gets "recycled"
Like says, Star Trek teleporters are supposed to work on an energy beam transfer basis specifically to avoid this conundrum... But if this were not the case - if the energy and matter making up the new person was entirely separate from the original, and only data was used to build the destination organism from all new materials, you could tell the difference at the submolecular level, if you had some organic remains of the original person (nail clippings, whatever).
It'd be very easy to prove, if you set out to do so beforehand, and entangled particles in an object to be teleported, then only teleported half the entangled system. The object at the destination end would no longer be entangled.
A duplicate of a coke can is still another coke can, regardless of how perfect the reproduction is. There's plenty of buckyball-20's in the universe that are perfectly identical, even at the atomic (if not quantum) level, but they are nonetheless each separate buckyball-20's. No reason to assume this is any different when it comes to a person.
i never understood why they make them destroy the original instead of just transporting clones of crewmembers to wherever they want and keeping the original ones .
even if they need need to fight with humans for some reason why not just have a scan of a heavily armored ,armed and drugged crew member that just spent weeks of intense nonstop training on your computer and beam lots of clones of him unto the enemy ship.
have a highly trained engineer with the proper gear saved up to beam to wherever in the ship something is broken . could even scan brainwashed people so the clones just go to some recycler or something by themselves after they're done .
secret = 6
This is a philosophical question.
>Star Trek-style teleporters
They are not teleporters! They are "TRANSPORTERS" which is a huge difference.
Teleporters kill.
Transporters convert and transport.
There's even episodes where people "wake up" inside the buffer or seeing things on the way through the system. A teleporter is the one that destroys the original.
moving is key, copying should always be illegal
>Federation shills
>in this quadrant
I can tell that's a fake. The semen reservoir is in the Holodeck.
>Simple thought experiment: If you are atomized you die, ergo star trek style transporters do indeed kill you and then reconstitute you either from the original particles or new raw matter in the specified arrangement.
Then what's stopping the Federation or any other alien species from taking their best and brightest soldier or scientist and making hundreds/thousands/millions/etc clones of them to take over the galaxy? Just keep pumping in new raw matter in the specified arrangement.
They don't want to do that.
The borg happens when you do that
>he actually thinks the simples that construct an object constitute that object, when the true nature of the object is actually the object-wise arrangement of the simples
>he actually thinks the continuity of consciousness itself isn't an illusion and you aren't just an inheritor of memories from an older you that no longer exists
Or they could just beam over an infinite amount of fuckbot-9000s/explosives.
I never thought about it before, but why don't they ever use robots in Star Trek? (apart from Data)
>disco ball
>have holograms
>can make projectors literally anywhere they damn please
>can even make portable holographic projectors
>these holograms are capable of picking up live weapons or tools and using them to full effect
>star fleet never ever ever uses holographic crew
>not even to do things that would kill organics and do fuck all to a hologram
this is why I say star trek is trash, they disregard common sense to make plots that don't hold water in their own fucking universe