Carbs are bad

If you haven't noticed the majority of "x is bad" sources are clickbait websites

Moderation ain't no bitch. Calories in calories out. Eat your greens & water.

they arent, murrika problem is the suger they add on them

>carbs are bad
>soy is bad
>sodium is bad
Based on what?
Science?...
should we even trust science

Funfact: Japan has the longest life expectancy at over 86 years of any country. Good job amerilard you're almost 10 years behind af 78, lol. Try reducing your GMO, pesticide herbicide, hormone ridden, alzheimers and diabetes inducing pig slop and come back and talk.

yeah, how does that counteract what I said?

WTF you talking about. I went to Uni in Japan and the portion sizes at restaurants are the same as the U.S. The difference is Americans add a lot of sugary sauces to food.

>GMO

Close but ya blew it.

Tsukuba?

t. assblasted gook

Neither is britcuck

>obviously hasn't heard about the current discovery in the Roundup lawsuit demonstrating Monsanto failed to divulge evidence that Roundup and the byproducts associated with it's production are carcinogenic.

Yikes, you are seriously cucked by muh savior big agri, faggot.

>and they actually DO NOT consume alot of sodium compared to western nations.
Yes they do, they eat even more.

>Dietary sodium levels are much higher in Japan than in the U.S.
businessinsider.com/people-in-japan-eat-more-salt-than-in-the-us-but-most-people-eat-too-much-in-both-countries-2015-7

They're less obese so their health problems are just different from ours, but they're there. They also probably have better access to affordable healthcare which will improve lifespans.

They aren't that healthy in general first of all. The Japanese who are stereotyped as healthy aren't eating lo mein sandwhiches. They're eating plain rice, clear soups, and some lean meats. They also don't eat as much volume wise.

The Japanese are slowly becoming less healthy.

>the us is fucked up healthwise compared to Japan, so lets celebrate when they start drifting down to our level.

If we can't join them in a better lifestyle, better beat them into submission with our fa(s)tfood.

>fast food represents the whole diet
Shit thread.

Simple carbs like white bread, white rice, fruit juice, not good

Carbs like whole grains and fruits, good.

Soy is fine as long as youre not having too many servings. 3-5 is usually the recommended amount

Too much sodium bad.

They eat fewer calories per capita than pretty much any other developed country.

Don't forget the MSG.

3-5 what numbskull

This post is correct. People always say "but muh asian countries are so healthy, sodium can't be bad for you" without actually looking into the fact that 4/5 of the top 5 countries for stomach cancer are asian, with Korea in a strong 1st place due to all the kimchi they eat.

>>carbs
They're all manlets

>>soy
Higher tofu and other soy food consumption is correlates with cognitive impairment in asians. They also have a shit load of bizzare fetishes from all the phytoestrogen

>>sodium
Stroke incidence is higher in japan than in burgerland

chemistryworld.com/news/who-clarifies-glyphosate-risks/1010208.article

A lot of the younger people throw up if they think they've eaten too much

Those problems comes from the extreme stress and massive overworking that comes along with being a salaryman. Those poor bastards

t. weeaboo

but kimchi is delicious
why are all good things bad for you, its just not fair

Servings

Skinny =\= healthy. Also, they walk everywhere. No need for cars in nip land. Traisn take you to work, to anime porno shop, and back home for dirt cheap.

Go to the Philippines where all they actually eat is rice and soy sauce.

Terrible malnutrition and hypertension affects their country.

erm...
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24456350

It's almost like stomach cancer is the only cancer ever.

Kimchi has health benefits, but it also has drawbacks. It's like if I ate broccoli with butter. I'm getting good nutrition, but clogging my arteries at the same time.

> For Asians, one of the major risk factors is diet — in particular, diets high in smoked foods, salted fish and meats, and pickled foods, including Kim-chi.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1592326/

I don't know what point you are trying to get across. My argument was that even though Asians are healthier on average, their high sodium intake has direct negative health consequences, so saying sodium is healthy because they generally have less disease is misleading.

You're probably right, IDK if the benefits of kimchi outweigh the risks due to the high sodium content, maybe another fermented food without so much sodium would be a better alternative. Kimchi every now and again probably wouldn't do too much harm though.

I know right? I mean most of their sauces are heavy in salt.
youtu.be/UF6eAWxP1d4

Because Americans are idiots and readily target anything that sounds like it could potentially be harmful so that they have to put in the effort of researching what constitutes a healthy diet.
>YALL! THE CARBS!
That's all it takes.

so that they dont* have to

Regarding kimchi I just want to add that most people don't have an idea about just how much kimchi Koreans eat. Any minor defect in its nutritional content is hugely magnified due to how much they consume. For most westerners kimchi will be a health food. Just like how milk was a health food for most of history before the west started consuming it in such huge quantities that it became a health hazard.

If they are so healthy why are they killing themselves?

Science gives us information about things.
That's why those claims aren't based on science. They're based on internet articles and reporters skimming science and then pretending it says their opinion when it doesn't.

like a lobster, its the only way for them to die

>Simple carbs like white bread, white rice, fruit juice, not good
>Carbs like whole grains and fruits, good.
Is there a better way to show everyone you have no idea what you're talking about?

>Stroke incidence is higher in japan than in burgerland
>Sodium causes stroke
Do continue reading more fearmongering fake health articles and believe everything they claim, please. It's clearly helped you become so informed.

Nice argument you have there

Also why does everyone like to personify the body, like it has some sort of personality?

On average, normally, typically, whatever word you want to use to exclude cherry picked corner cases: Whole grain bread has the same amount of simple carbohydrates as white bread does.
One cup of cooked white rice contains about 37 times LESS simple carbohydrates than a slice of whole grain bread does.
You're an idiot who is spouting bullshit because he believes everything he hears on the television.

>Fiber doesn't matter
>micronutrients don't matter
Literally kill yourself

I'm sorry, could you please elaborate more on the strawman you're trying to create against me to distract from how WRONG you were?

See, that's an argument.

Now let's destroy it. White rice and whole grain bread have nearly identical glycemic indexes, and once you take into account you realize refined grains with fiber and nutrients removed are far less healthy.

Again, another non argument.

>Now let's destroy it.
Hahahahaha

>Again, another non argument.
Why yes, what a surprise. A strawman is an logical fallacy and one does not need to construct an argument against it. Do you not understand how logical debate works? That's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering it with your non argument of calling things a non argument.

>White rice and whole grain bread have nearly identical glycemic indexes,
You have no idea what this actual entails, do you? Of course you don't.

>and once you take into account you realize refined grains with fiber and nutrients removed are far less healthy.
Behold the anecdote of Arnold's Country Bread. "%" being relative to daily recommended value, which is bullshit, but a relative constant so we can use it for comparison.
>White Bread
Protein 3g
Calcium 4%
Iron 8%
Thiamin 10%
Riboflavin 6%
Niacin 6%
Folic Acid 10%

>Whole Grain
Protein 5g
Calcium 4%
Iron 4%
Thiamin 6%
Robiflavin 2%
Niacin 4%
Folic Acic 2%

Whole grain has 2g more protein, 4% LESS iron. 4% LESS Thiamin. 4% more Riboflavin, 2% LESS Niacin, 8% less Folic Acid.
Instead of being snarky and telling you continue demonstrating how WRONG you are by backpedaling away from micronutrients and building a fort around macronutrients, I'm instead going to tell you to shut the fuck up and stop posting because you're an ignorant dumbass who will never amount to anything in life because you can't even google facts for yourself.

Also, I'm out. Gotta get ready to bring the grandmother home from physical rehab. Feel free to construct incorrect arguments against my correctness since I won't be here to show how WRONG you are.

That's great an all, but there's more to nutrition than slightly higher amounts of minerals added through fortification

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19079919
>whole-grain intake is protective against cancer, CVD, diabetes, and obesity. Despite recommendations to consume three servings of whole grains daily, usual intake in Western countries is only about one serving/d. Whole grains are rich in nutrients and phytochemicals with known health benefits. Whole grains have high concentrations of dietary fibre, resistant starch, and oligosaccharides. Whole grains are rich in antioxidants including trace minerals and phenolic compounds and these compounds have been linked to disease prevention. Other protective compounds in whole grains include phytate, phyto-oestrogens such as lignan, plant stanols and sterols, and vitamins and minerals. Published whole-grain feeding studies report improvements in biomarkers with whole-grain consumption, such as weight loss, blood-lipid improvement, and antioxidant protection. Although it is difficult to separate the protective properties of whole grains from dietary fibre and other components, the disease protection seen from whole grains in prospective epidemiological studies far exceeds the protection from isolated nutrients and phytochemicals in whole grains.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25559238
>We documented 26920 deaths during 2727006 person-years of follow-up. After multivariate adjustment for potential confounders, including age, smoking, body mass index, physical activity, and modified Alternate Healthy Eating Index score, higher whole grain intake was associated with lower total and CVD mortality but not cancer mortality:
>We further estimated that every serving (28 g/d) of whole grain consumption was associated with a 5% (95% CI, 2%-7%) lower total morality or a 9% (95% CI, 4%-13%) lower CVD mortality

So to return to the original argument, yes, "simple carbs, not good, whole grains, good."

Not , but
Simple carbs are fast acting, give you a short burst of energy but do not sustain your system. Cane sugar is a good example.
Complex carbohydrates are what "fill you up," and allow your body to maintain your every level throughout the day. Wheat bread is a good example

Or you can think of it like
Simple sugar = cocaine , Complex sugar = steroids

stroke.ahajournals.org/content/strokeaha/early/2014/10/28/STR.0000000000000046.full.pdf

Whole grain bread should not have waste chemicals in it.
If the package does not say "100% whole wheat" then you are eating lab synthed chemicals and touting them as necessary for life.

>oh noes, teh CHEMIKILLZ

They are all hazardous to humans except niacin. Even wikipedia will tell you this my friend.

Did you know hydrohydroxic acid is hazardous to humans? Fuark wake up sheeple!

>when your government mandates that the chemicals it produces at cameochemicals be added to all wheat, pasta and rice in your country

America.

>when your government uses your tax dollars to purchase the chemicals it manufactures and add them to your food
>when they keep all the profit
>when you eat industrial waste and pay to have to do so

>toxic in excess amounts
>biocumulative
>extra toxic to liver
>absorption increases when taken with alcohol

Had haw.

health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015-scientific-report/06-chapter-1/d1-3.asp

>In its analysis, the 2005 DGAC reported that non-whole grains contributed important amounts of certain nutrients to the dietary patterns, including folate, iron, calcium, fiber, thiamin, riboflavin and niacin.56 append G-2 The 2005 DGAC concluded that including only 3 oz eqs of whole grains, with no non-whole grains, in the food patterns would lower intake of many of these key nutrients and perhaps place certain individuals at risk of nutrient inadequacy. However, the 2010 DGAC found that consuming all grains as whole grains would provide for nutrient adequacy in the patterns if fortified ready to eat (RTE) whole grain breakfast cereals were substituted for RTE refined grain breakfast.55 append E.7 The 2015 DGAC concluded that consumption of only whole grains with no replacement or substitution would result in nutrient shortfalls.

>unlike the naturally occuring form of thiamin,
It's a nitrate salt of thiamine that dissociates into free thiamine and nitrate ions in water. You'd find that in any plant cell.

>is fat soluble and can lead to toxicity in excess amounts
It's as fat soluble as the "naturally occurring form" hence work on developing more lipophillic derivatives like sulbutiamine. Regardless everything can lead to toxicity in excess amounts and presence or lack of fat solubility don't guarantee a lower threshold or absence of toxicity either. You mentioned niacin previously and even that can have toxic effects due to for example methyl group depletion from formation of the methylnicotinamide metabolite.

that's because of depression and low self steem.

Poorfags there can mostly just afford dirty rice and porkbelly fat and vinegar. Soy sauce isn't that common

>they walk everywhere. No need for cars in nip land

This guy got it. Every post after this is just fat Americans arguing about MIRACLE DIET bitchscience.

they also cant fuck or win wars.

this is something only kids eat at lunch and their metabolism is obviously good

They walk. The biggest problem we have in burgerland is forgetting we have fucking legs.

Italy is similar to japan in this. Italian food is fucking horrible if you don't live actively. They also walk a lot.

japs also smoke a shitload and smoking is allowed in most bars and restaurants.

Tentacle porn is the likely answer.

They're all bad in excess with too little exercise, user. They just tell people to quit thm completely because it's stupid to trust people not to gorge themselves and then sit around later.

1. They walk everywhere.
Walking for a few miles daily has great benefits to your body.

2. Their "fast food" places don't serve carbonated drinks. Just water or barley tea.

Eskimos lived on fatty meat almost exclusively and were thin and had low heart disease rates before the white devils took over their lands.

in japan, fat-shaming is acceptable as something normal and good

unlike the western world, where you know, the media, yadda, yadda

A common myth, too bad it's not true.

nice try monsanto

what about that foodkino, what the health?
apparently, sugar is awesome for you.

Nips have a different response to carbs due to genetics. There's a few studies on this and its been replicated in mice.

>be American
>get shot
This is why life expectancy is lower, not those dumb Alex Jones tier conspiracies about GMO, dumb guy

Soy is not good for you at all. It makes you a numale and gives you estrogen and Japanese beta males and their declining birth rate is just more proof of it.

t. Big Beef bitch

Funny how the Japanese have eaten soy for a thousand years and birthrate decline is only a recent phenomenon. Almost like it has nothing to do with soy.

>there is no difference between whole fruit and fruit juice

State of your entire life

Do you literally not understand what complex carbohydrates are?

I like this thread because of the research user and I want him to know I appreciate him.

you eating pesticides nigga?

how does sodium give you stomach cancer? I thought it fucked with your blood pressure?

Hey dickless, the fibre in complex carbs slows down the absorption rate of simple sugars so you don't end up with the same short term blood glucose spike when you ingest something that doesn't have fibre and is all simple carbs.

There's also more vitamins and minerals and whole grains due to less processing. That's the point.