Best literature for insecure men who feel the need to act in an excessively "Masculine" manner?

Best literature for insecure men who feel the need to act in an excessively "Masculine" manner?

Meditations

any hemmingway

Satyricon by Petronius

this

Why would an man ever be "secure" in his masculinity? I'd rather be humble in my masculinity.

When you learn BBJ, you're not taught to be "secure" in your skills. You get choked out, and you tap out, because you're not good enough. You're taught be humble, not secure. You face the reality that you will lose sometimes. That's the point of competing.

Humbleness is a key part of manliness. You can't have competition without it.

As Donovan put it in Becoming A Barbarian:

>The idea that a man should be “secure in his masculinity” is a bourgeois fantasy
invented by therapists and repeated by women. Every king, every chief, every world
record holder and every silverback gorilla looks over his shoulder. Being good at
being a man just means the challenges get dialed up and the challengers become
more formidable.

>This gauntlet must be run whether a boy likes it or not, whether he accepts it or
rejects it. To reject the struggle is forfeiture. Avoiding the struggle is an acceptance
of defeat and a demonstration of spiritual cowardice.

>There are some who will applaud this kind of forfeiture as if it were courageous,
but they are despisers of masculinity and strength. They are foolish women or
failed men or deceitful manipulators who prefer men to be passive, for reasons of
their own.

>However, accepting the fate of men and running the gauntlet of manliness
means understanding that the fight is never truly fair, and that all men are not born
with the same strengths.

>Accepting the fate of men also means understanding that the fight is rigged, and
that every man will either die early or live to see himself decline. Every man who
does not die in his prime will live to see his body fail and become weak.

gay

>being humble about masculinity
that is not how it works you little shit

>bbj
>think u meant bjj
My fuckin sides

obvious answer - Hemingway

DELETE THIS.

Yes it is.

99% of the time someone says "Whatever dude, I'm secure in my masculinity" they're someone who looks like pic related.

99% of millennial males should be 100% insecure in their masculinity. Some sort of forced bootcamp or a world war or great depression would be beneficial.

Yes, very much so.

this

>world war
>needs calamity to be seen as manly

wew

Stay "insecure" in your masculinity so masculinity can be conveniently defined for you by a feminine-primary culture.

Stay blue pill faggot. :^)

I refuse to believe this is real.

The Achilleid of Stace

fite me.

Your "spooks" are nothing but abstract mental masturbation.

Haha Christ, I tried to read The Way of Men and it was maximum spooked. Went to Amazon to check out the reviews after quitting about ten pages in from the epub I torrented and some of the comments for legitimate reviews call the reviewers cucks. It blows my fucking mind.

No, I think calamity might shake us out of this malaise, though. Right now we're turning into the civilization from Wall-E.

Nice.

Why?

Way Of Men was good and fairly mainstream. It wasn't even that /pol/. It was Becoming The Barbarian that was right-wing or political and kind of insane.

Why didn't you like it? It's not even controversial. Jack went nuts after he wrote that.

Anything featuring Greek heroes is no good as they're actually depicted as having emotions, instead of being unfeeling stoic entities,

Because he believes in the religion of le-spook-man, i.e. he subscribes to to the outdated notion of "tabula rasa", and prescribing in-built, predictable behaviours to human beings chafes against his "blank slate" egalitarian views.

Because if someone is telling you how to act then they're using you. It's retarded. Masculinity is a serious spook that is hurting men more than it's helping.

Actually had a conversation about this with a grill the other day and we talked about toxic masculinity and how detrimental it is.

There's nothing unmanly about showing emotions like those greek heroes. Alexander The Great was said to cry when he found there were no more worlds to conquer.

Are you building a strawman?

In The Way Of Men Donovan says what's unmanly is to let your emotions overwhelm you, to prevent you what needs to be done and shirk manly responsibilities. "I don't feeeel like going to work." That's when emotions becoming weakness- women and children can afford to be weak. Not men.

Kind of like when Odysseus begins shaking and doesn't want to fight the suitors before Athena grants him courage?

fight club

>let your emotions overwhelm

Yeah, it doesn't work like that. Donovan really needs to go back to driving a truck and not polluting people's minds with idiocy.

Many such cases! He needs to read Steven Pinker.

>Masculinity is a serious spook that is hurting men more than it's helping.

This post would make a lot of sense if it was written in 1317. But it's 2017, nobody gives a shit about masculinity anymore. It's absence is hurting us, not is presence.

>Actually had a conversation about this with a grill the other day and we talked about toxic masculinity and how detrimental it is.

You should help solve the problem by killing yourself. :)

Not at all, no. Masculinity is still a big deal and to simply write it off as not fitting into a certain year is ridiculous.

I'm not asking him to be the hero...

Exactly. The Gods in those stories were metaphors for "the better angels of our nature"- meaning how our impulses pull us in difference directions.

Donovan doesn't need to do anything you want, actually. :)

It SHOULD be a big deal- it's under attack. In the 1920s Teddy Roosevelt wrote about how masculinity was disappearing, and he was right. He supported the boy scouts for that reason. And it's gotten worse every decade since. Civilization has diminishing returns.

>The Gods in those stories were metaphors for "the better angels of our nature"
Then why is the Iliad all about the gods conniving with and betraying each other whilst treating men like toys?

>Donovan doesn't need to do anything you want, actually. :)

Sure, but it would be more beneficial if he simply dropped dead.

The irony of mentioning Teddy Roosevelt in this thread is probably lost on you.

The Iliad vs the Odyssey.

>The irony of mentioning Teddy Roosevelt in this thread is probably lost on you.

I'm just a fan of the boy scouts, is.

>Sure, but it would be more beneficial if he simply dropped dead.

Sounds like you've got a lot of growing up to do m8.

Because gods are only human. ;)

“Your body should face her at a slight glancing angle to show that she still needs to prove herself before you’ll give her your complete attention.”

What did he imply by this?

What do you think he meant you incel?

Have you ever approached a woman? This shit is attraction 101.

Roosh is a shallow sperg. Fuck him. Donovan is a fag but his philosophical references are 100% spot on and he's right about almost everything.

>calls others incels
>needs to read shitty books and make shitty attempts at manipulating drunk women in order to get laid

Chris would describe himself was "very secure in his masculinity" before he decides he was a tranny.

>parrots feminist boilerplate garbage
>understanding how to attract women and how women work makes you a rapist
>"waaaaaah NAWALT, go sleep with your drunk sluts"

You're a virgin, that's okay. There's nothing wrong with it, why are you getting so hostile?

Coming from the guy who doesn't understand attraction 101, ayyyy lmao

I'm not a virgin. Although I did lose my virginity to a hooker when I was 22.

not me :)

Attraction 101: Be attractive enough for the woman you're pursuing

Sadly, no matter what angle you stand at, or what canned sentences you use, or how much you "neg" those "HBB 10s", or how much "Kino" you initiate, none of them will want you because you're so unattractive you have to refer to internet articles and self-help books to have any chance with even an average woman.

t. Chad.

Useful tips for beginners such as yourself, you've obviously learned them well.

Nothing wrong with self-help books.

We're all beginners at some point.

Again, there's that idea of being humble. Always remain humble.

anywhere specifically I should start?

This.

Become knowledged and overcome your fears.

The Way of Men is actually solid.

nothing more manly than ritual disembowelment

Torture Garden

read some Tolstory and embrace femininity because it's so much more enjoyable and attractive than masculinity.

>reading books to learn how to be masculine

Lmaoooooo

The Sun Also Rises is perfect. Jake Barnes is perfectly masculine in his behaviour, but his cock was damaged in the war, so he can only watch the woman he loves throwing herself at almost anybody and be miserable.

that sounds like garbage.
I wanted to read something more in line with the thought expressed in the OP post, not old cuck porn.

>he fell for the feminist "if you act manly you're just insecure or closet homo" meme

came here to post this

1. He didn't say all men who act masculine are insecure. He asked for books for men who are insecure and act masculine.
2. This proposition doesn't have anything to do with feminism.
It's obvious you've never read any feminist theory / philosophy and that your reading comprehension in general is quite poor.

I honestly can't imagine a bigger waste of my time than reading feminist philosophy, stay buttwounded sissy boy

Why giving them books? They better committe suicide

>I honestly can't imagine a bigger waste of my time than reading [something that challenges my current worldview]
Generalized that for you. Stay braindead, pal.

What?

Not everything needs to be read or experienced.
You sound like the type of guy who'd suck a dick just to see what it feels like, and I'm sure your philosophy in life makes you inclined to do so.
You stupid?

>You stupid?

What?

It's called meme magic you cuck. Praise Kek!

>he fell for the feminist meme
>stay buttwounded sissy boy
>You sound like the type of guy who'd suck a dick
It didn't go unperceived that you said "read or experienced" instead of simply "read" so that you could shoehorn another homophobic insult. I am honestly saddened by the pitiful life you lead- obsessing over masculinity and heterosexuality. It sucks, because feminism has such a negative perception in the public eye due to "lipstick feminists" or "buzzfeed feminists" or whatever you want to call them, but reading actual feminist theory can radically challenge your beliefs in a positive, self-affirming way (even for men). I used to be like you. Nothing else to say to you, really.

I think the bigger problem is that you've been raised by media and education system to see masculinity as something inherently bad, irrational and stupid and the phrase "toxic masculinity" looks completely reasonable to you. Moreover, you think that resorting to armchair attempts at psychoanalysis by sprouting some gibberish about insecurity and overcompensation actually somehow elevates you to an intellectualy superior position. In conclusion, you probably a)can't bench your bodyweight and b)don't think it's a bad thing. I'd recommend you reading some Mishima.

Pretty sure OP used 'excessively' for a reason. It's a fair request, not the latest manifestation of the feminist takeover.

>For Whom the Bell Tolls

The protagonist is a great masculine role model.

I'm not obsessing over anything, I just feel at ease with a somewhat traditional model of masculinity. You fell into the same trap that my first post was berating OP for lol, if someone prefers to be more conservative and typically masculine it doesn't mean they "obsess" over it or that they're insecure. Still not reading feminists. I've watched a lecture on SdB a few months ago and it was more or less exactly what I expected.

hemingway or that japanese guy who offed himself.
basically any closet homosexual writer.

I read Becoming a Barbarian and The Way of Men and while the content isn't deplorable (excuse my phrasing) this guy is just a fucking cernovich.

Like Jack Donovan's vibe is just level 100 fedora. Like at the end of the day, this man has never fucked a woman.

>"""""""more or less""""""""

People always let you know it subtle ways that they are being dishonest.

> if someone prefers to be more conservative and typically masculine it doesn't mean they "obsess" over it or that they're insecure

OP specifically mentioned excess. Excess implies obsession, no?

Damn, I'm learning so much about myself from you kek, gtfo

City of Night, by John Rechy.

Speaking of excess

The Alphabet of Manliness
It isn't literature by any means but with its good portion of truth and satire about the over-appreciation of masculinity, you're in for a good read.

>romanticizing masculinity this hard
this autistic masculinity trend is hilarious.
pretty sure you're a closet homosexual. being a man means getting shit done, the only people who write or read prose about getting shit done are closet poofs.

>I have always harbored admiration for their courage and sacrifice in Spain. I have felt that way since I was boy of 12, reading Hemingway’s “For Whom the Bell Tolls” in my father’s study. It is my favorite novel, and its hero, Robert Jordan, the Midwestern teacher who fought and died in Spain, became my favorite literary hero.

-John McCain

>Maddox
I know you prefaced it with a warning but damn even with the heads up it's still hilarious

Forgive me, I never read anything in regard of "appreciation of masculinity" besides this one. Hey, at least it has some nice drawn pictures in it, r-right?

The Way of Men is a good book but it should be common sense if you had a dad that wasn't a faggot.

Jack Donovan ruined it because he's an actual faggot

>if you had a dad that wasn't a faggot.
That's the problem, a lot of people did not have such a dad.
And I think it's getting worse. Nowadays kids grow up with fathers who watch porn, browse reddit and support racemixing.

It might seem counterintuitive at first, but I think him fighting his "manliness insecurities" made him better and more fine tuned to these issues.

I don't get the point of only asking men to show the virtious traits associated with masculinity. Why not make them a standard for women and men alike? Why is the shit peddled by turds like donovan always so focussed on old sexist roles rather than cultivating a positive model for all people, women and men alike, to aspire to?

Because human society doesn't work if you have perfect equilibrium. But sure, some virtues should be instilled into men as well as women, like honesty, loyalty, industriousness etc.

What kind of equilibrium are we talking about here? An equilibrium of virtues seems unproblematic to me. The idiologies outlined by such "priests" of masculinity often seem to bring with them, at least as far as I can tell, the shaming, ridicule and exclusion of those that do not fit the predetermined mold of what they are supposed to be like according to, in these cases, theie genitalia. I dislike that. I don't appreciate people telling other people, especially telling me, what traits I should and should not show (excluding obviously harmful ones, that is).

First, can you give me an example of how men and women should be similar to one another?

>support racemixing

Oh, the horror! What has become of Veeky Forums?

You're the faggot dad that he's talking about.

At least I'm not frightened by "racemixing". You people are weak.

I'm not frightened, I'd just rather not have it.
Who's "you people"? I don't consider myself as part of any group.

>Like at the end of the day, this man has never fucked a woman.
isn't he 100% confirmed a fag

Serious question: why does it bother you so much?
What do you lose if people refuse to racemix?

>le )(()()())(() meme
fuck off back to /pol/ you retarded brony

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The eternal (((leftie))) seems to have completely lost it...