There is literally nothing wrong with hedonism

>hedonistic means physical pleasures only
Stop posting, retard.

See The problem is you failed to maximize pleasure. When you started feeling "empty" you were no longer living a hedonistic lifestyle, by definition.

hedonism is basically just harmless middle class frivolousness

>not doing something because it's wrong

why tho

>living the aesthetic life
Have fun with your midlife crisis when your body starts falling apart. There are greater jobs in life

joys *

like?

those people are not attractive though

These things need to be experienced. First the aesthetic, then the ethical, and then the religious. Read some Kierkegaard

>>>(((harmless)))

never thought of it like that
how to maximize pleasure? someone must have written on this

>it's a virtuecuck gets assmad episode
every tiem

Disgusting racemixing propaganda.

Go post your cuck fantasies somewhere else

Not if you don't care about that shit

Monogomy is a social construct that limits freedom. By calling people cucks, you are perpetuating this arbitrary oppression upon people's sex lives. If you are honest with yourself, you will realize that you do indeed get sexually excited by the idea of a woman getting fucked by another man. This is the true red pill. I am a cuck and proud of it.

>This is the true red pill. I am a cuck and proud of it.

>le soshul tonka truck meme
Language itself is a social construct, you fucking retard. That doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

Monogamy is a foundational institution central to the success of Western Civilization. It promotes an equitable distribution of resources among males, and promotes social cohesion and harmony among social classes. Polygamy leads to a small number of males controlling large harems of females, leading to constant in-fighting among males along with the devaluation of women to chattel.

correlation =/= causation.

lmao believing Kierkegaard

Nothing wrong with having fun from time to time but if thats the only thing you do it will fuck your health and you will not be able to have anymore.

>he thinks smoking weed and hanging out with friends is hedonism
yeah I see your problem

How does being hedonistic prove a substanceless life? Your favourite nationalistic poetry and art was written, no doubt, from a point of hedonistic lifestyle. And everything you own is material, you worship the material. If you even think for a moment that you enjoy how turning a page feels, or enjoy the satisfaction of how something opens, how you drink from a straw - basically, if you are living at all comfortably, you are dealing with the material, and borderline worshiping it.

>Kierkegaard
>young men think they can understand this and skip straight to being as well informed and philosophical as Kierkegaard

come back when you're 70

Back to plebbit.

>using the pleb name, not epicureanism

Is this image supposed to make people mad?

not everyone can participate in hedonism equally so even if you're right from an individual perspective (which you're not lol) the effects hedonism has on society are negative (drives resentment etc)

>every individual's pleasure is maximized
>society is somehow worse off because of this

If someone is resentful, then they haven't maximized their pleasure.

Of course, the effort to maximize each person's pleasure isn't isolated. One person's pleasure will be dependent on the actions of others, so there will necessarily need to be some balancing of some sort. So it's probably more accurate to call for an "optimization" of pleasure rather than a maximization.

I'm mostly with Epicurus on this.

Sure, if you don't care about anything nothing matters.

Except that it destroys civilizations.

>b-but a destroyed civilization isn't optimized pleasure so it isn't Hedonism
Yes it is. If the pursuit of an end brings about an unintended result, the pursuit is still accountable. Hedonism is self-destructive trash, without exception. There are more important things than your immediate gratification, and simply saying "well because I want to be happy tomorrow, I'll plan ahead today lol" isn't an argument, it's a drunkard's excuse.

Hedonism assumes unlimited foresight, the ability to detect with exactness what excesses will cause misery later that outweighs the current pleasure garnered. Such foresight does not exist, particularly not in any group of hedonistic people. Therefore, it is better in every regard to structure society not around the pursuit of pleasure but around the functionality and perpetuation of society itself.

The only luxury you should afford yourself is the luxury of self restraint. If your appetites are ordered then you will be more content and less prone to shooting yourself working a normal job with a normal family than any epicurean will be doing coke off of a Thai ladyboy's stomach.

>and then the religious

snip snip christcuck rabbi shekelstein wants your foreskin

>Except that it destroys civilizations.
Give me one example of a civilization destroyed mainly by hedonism.

>>Except that it destroys civilizations.
yeah bu only numales care about civilizations and inside a society men love to strive for comfort while being torn apart between this love and their fantasy of devotion towards the society through their spook of lineage and submission of other people to their spooks.
society is driven by hedonism and built for even more hedonism, since hedonism is material comfort but also includes morality, aka ''I feel good about 'my choices, about doing this or that''.

Hedonism is bad only once there is a desire to stop being unhappy, because caring about morality and material comfort is precisely the way to generate unhappiness.

>maximized sensual pleasure
>the "good"
>ethics
>religion
>civilization

This gets my vote for spookiest thread on Veeky Forums right now

>equitable distribution of resources among males
yes men are so impotent and crave so much a woman, that they rely on their little desire to create a rule to get a woman, then they get butthurt when they see that most women do not want them

hahahahahahahhahahaha

Being enslaved to your passions is just as detrimental to the fufillment of your will and innermost desires as being "spooked" is.

"Happiness is the feeling that power increases - that resistance is being overcome." – Friedrich Nietzsche

Pleasure and happiness is two very different things.

The West

>Monogamy sanctioned by the literal living God and Creator of all
>social construct bro

>Except that it destroys civilizations.
Denial of hedonism almost destroyed human life. It takes a lot of self denial to produce societies that produce nuclear weapons

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>leading to constant in-fighting among males along with the devaluation of women to chattel.

So why is it that women in monogamous China were treated worse than women in polygamous Arabia

Hedonism is obviously false because "pleasure" and "pain" don't exist primarily, they are forms to perceive primary things. Therefore one cannot maximize "pleasure" without maximizing "pain".
Also, hedonism denies self-improvement. If you claim that the improvement is a form of pleasure, then you have redefined "pleasure" as what can be understood as "virtue".

tl;dr it's pseudophilosophy for bored middle class people

i passed up a mfm threesome like 5 years ago. still regret it

Yes, there is, because it denies the concept of suffering as inherently part of reality, and nothing great can be produced without suffering

>Monogomy is a social construct that limits freedom
not a bad thing per se
try again

only betas believe this

Nothing?

>promoting settling for mediocrity
>implying life alone is valuable
Doing coke and fucking traps for several years before blowing your brains out is an infinitely worthier enterprise than wageslaving to raise your wife's children. Live fast and die young, you turbocuck.

It is a solution to suffering. It sees the concept of suffering and rather than seeking to address it, it does his best to hide it or drown it in sensory pleasure. I would say it isn't wrong, but just misguided because it doesn't lead to any substantially lasting state of happiness for the individual and can become a net negative for everyone involved.

What is Veeky Forums's opinion on paying for sex?

Sad!

If you make it public then yes there is.

Hello, Jordan. I think you're right and a cool guy.

Those poems come from people who have lived a non-exclusively hedonist life. Also I don't think it is fair to compare artists with other people: most of them (especially in the past, in more conventionsl times) lived off their craft and (as importantly) their impressions: living a dissolute life, more often than not, was the optimum condition for them to reach their goal. That's their prerogative, virtually no other profession values so much your internal life, your feelings and your platonic ideas.

Transvaluate those values mate.

Probably because they could always buy or kidnap more women from abroad.

>nothing great can be produced without suffering
only partly true.
and why do you have to produce something great?

kek, this

don't bully fellow anons

>this projection
just because these are the only two options you are able to pick from in your shitty life doesn't mean this applies to everyone. women won't cuck you if you aren't a worthless piece of shit.

Without pain there's nothing to give value to pleasure.

Read like 5 pages of Plato before you shoot your mouth off about something you don't know.

I fear to raise my children in this hedonistic culture.

I can understand why cults are appealing when faced with this dilemma.

Stay scared /pol/lack.

hello dude bro

Well, That is technically hedonism; Every individual is limited by their resources but hedonism only implies living for pleasure; It doesn't mean living like Emperor Nero. Constant weed and porn and beer is hedonism for all I care.

Natural law is eternal. Hedonism is punished with extermination of your genetics. Struggle, fight and cultivate your genetics or else suffer being conquered by those who do.

wtf i hate hedonism now

"wrong" is not the problem. You're preaching to to wrong crown if you want us to insist there's an objective morality. However, hedonism will lead you to a point where you've spent a lot of time and energy fucking up your body and developing very few insights or skills and leave you much more stimuli addicted than say, if you chose to read books and be more sexually selective and keep the drug use limited to caffeine when you need momentum and weed when you don't.

Wrong. All civilizations are destroyed by demographic replacement. Japan and Germany were bombed to the ground in 1945 yet, because they retained their racial homogeniety, they rebuilt their culture and thrived again.

Rome, Egypt, Ancient Greece, Persia etc all fell never to return because of racial replacement. The bitter pill is because of the importation of slaves and "guest workers".

The best example is Japan. Imagine if you imported millions of arabs or africans into Japan. What would happen to Japanese culture in 200 years? All that would be left would be the dead skeletons we see today in Egypt and Hellenic Greek structures.

In short, Hitler was right.

youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5LRUiGnjA

>highly promiscuous lifestyle is punished with extermination of your genetics

Are you using your vital life energy to breed strong children or are you using contraception and just expending yourself? A good example is French women, unfaithful, overly sensual, hedonists. Compare their effeminate sons to the towering Germans. A race who has always been noble and their women monogamous.

Polyamoury is only good for men because they can have more children. Especially useful after war when the women outnum,ber the men. In polyandry you see less children but increase in sexual diseases.

Might is right puts forth arguement that primative European tribes were polyamourous men (many wives) while the women were virtuous and polyandry looked down upon undere threat of expulsion. Only in Christian ruled society do women gain power to divource men and practice polyandry.

youtube.com/watch?v=gppaJq2ibyI

The inevitable extinction event will BTFO your genetics.

So you might as well do as you like, there is no winning at life.

German women are xenophile sluts and their men are obedient cucks, lad.

>I agree, but normies have no idea how to maximise pleasure.
>If you're sexually active you're already doing it wrong.
que?

>4 inches

There's your problem

>Nihilism
>justify hedonism
sort yourself out

Modern Germans are not Germans. You have to go back 100 years to understand the different evolution of the French vs Germans.

Appeal to nature

>Germany
>racially homogeneous
>Japan
>racially homogeneous
>racial homogeneity having any meaningful impact on culture
Baka

Appeal to facts, buddy.

Sexual activity leads to net suffering, in my opinion. The negative effects outweigh the positive ones.

Which is probably the reason why sages throughout the ages have ultimately come to the conclusion that it is better to refrain.

There's nothing wrong with being sexually active. Focusing your whole around it is what's damaging.

It certainly is. It's a bad form of it, but it is hedonism.

>Spiritual pleasure isn't connected the body's chemicals at all. [An angel told me so]

They think it's funny that you get stiffies at the sight of BBC

>Germany
>racial homogeneity
Always kek when clueless retards start to present their ignorance as fact. A difference between a Bavarian and a Frisian is about as big as between a Fleming and a Swede.

>Sexual activity
what about a pleasure such as masturbation?
It is still considered as sexual activity, right?

>Compare their effeminate sons to the towering Germans. A race who has always been noble and their women monogamous.

But germans are autistic, can't get laid, and are not breeding at replacement rate user. It seems your ideas are completely fucking idiotic.

>nobility depends on slapping meat together
Being a brainlet must be fun

>LARPing as virtuous and ascetic people who are spiritually enlightened on a fucking anime forum for masturbation enthusiasts

LMAO @ YOUR LIVES

Are you just asking to see how far gone the lad is?

>but modern brainwashed Germans are different from Natsoc Germans
Really blew my mind there.