Tfw ironically a Maoist

>tfw ironically a Maoist
Should I kms or go post-ironic, because it's far too late to stop

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All that is left is to become non-ironically Maoist.

Replacing Confucius with yourself seems kind of pointless, it just become a new tradition to follow. I dunno.

> all that is left
nice pun, buddy

The cult of personality was interesting. There were accounts of people using the little red book like the i ching or using his picture as a protective talisman. Maoism didn't survive the death of Mao though. Now, I believe the only people who still use his image are taxi drivers for some odd reason.

Comrade reporting in.
Why would you be a Maoist? If you're European or American chances are that his valuable teachings are not appliable to your society. Being a maoist made sense in the '60s when Mao had to be defended by academics, but at this point I think we can go past both the CCP and the USSR. They're relic of a world which was fundamentally different from ours, and not much can be learnt from it, especially when you consider that in the West no country would have needed the harshness that Mao and Lenin/Stalin required for the revolution to succeed.

What's your opinion on this?

What's wrong with being a maoist? Mao did a shit-ton of good things for china.

even stalinists are less of a meme

if you aren't either leftcom or ancom by now you're a fucking idiot though, why do you insist on defending state capitalist shitholes?

What does that even mean? Are you a larping autist who dresses up in a mao suit like Jason Unruhe or what?

vid very related:

youtube.com/watch?v=90__hO5JTMY

you know you should reevaluate your options when the chinese government says one third of Mao's actions were evil.

I didn't say he was perfect, the great leap forward was a fucking disaster but he still did a shit-ton of good. Plus when you take into consideration that china was and still is the most populated country in the world by far, what he achieved was no easy feat.

>implying there's anything wrong with stalinism
prove me wrong in no less than 20 paragraphs

I think pre-victory Maoism could work in the United States, where industrial economic hubs can be isolated and attacked by surrounding farmlands.

'Marxism'-'Leninism' has nothing to do with either Marx or Lenin. Near the end of his life Lenin actually realized that trying to establish socialism in a backwards country was a mistake and he should just establish a liberal democracy.

Are you a third worldist?

>Lenin actually realized that trying to establish socialism in a backwards country was a mistake and he should just establish a liberal democracy.

Source?

What's wrong with being a Maoist and how does that ismic variation of another shit -ism fit in as some kind of developmental framework for third worlders?

please respond to me

leftcoms unite!

Ironically keep it and you'll be fine.
9gag-tier opinions
He made it up.

No Maoist think that, it is a ideology that is strictly linked to the Third World. A maoist revolution makes no sense in the US.
>what then
If we knew what to do we would not still live in a corporative oligarchy, so I can't answer to this question.
Still, thinking that Maoism is appliable to the US may indicate a deep misreading of Maoist writings.

If rural people attacked the cities theyd come for marxist trash like you first

The russian/chinese serfs deserved the starvation that they got desu senpai btw

This, Maoism is pointless outside of countries which are just starting to industrialize. If attempted in the US, you just end up like those larping "freedom fighters" from the late 60s and 70s who wanted to practice foco theory in Manhattan. The last Maoist group that had any real vitality is probably Sendero Luminoso in Peru.

Legit GOAT

I'm obsessed with cults of personalities, like Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu, the Kims, etc. Are there right wing cults of personalities?

hitler and mussolini off the top of my head

Maybe Napoleon

Praise Jesus Christ famalam.

state capitalism BTFO

It's the same thing as hitler: he did do some bad things, but he was still an amazing, sincere leader that did a lot of great things for his country. People are always remembered for the bad things that they did, not the good.

Literally Donald Trump.

>leftcom

>tfw no anti-revisionist gf

Anti-revisionism is the worst meme

> Ceausescu

Romanian here. I have a book in my library that discusses three great contributors to universal ethics: Kant, Hegel and Ceausescu. I also have a copy of Descartes' Meditations which has translator'a footnotes talking about how Descartes anticipated the brilliant philosophical contributions of the former shoemaker turned barely literate dictator Nicolae Ceausescu. I understand why cults of personality are fascinating and am a leftist myself, but the socialist republics of the time were ressentiment filled pleb revolts of the worst kind. That old joke of "How many policemen do you need to direct traffic under communism? Three: one to read, one to write and one to keep an eye on those two intellectuals!" describes the situation all too well. There are countless stories of peasants turned officers (by the grace of the party and workers movement) censoring reputable intellectuals even when they wrote metaphysics and even jailing and torturing them.

I guess you probably know all this, but still it keeps me wondering what others mean today when they call themselves trotskysts, maoists, stalinists, etc.

>posts Castro
>claims anti-revisionism to be a meme

Oh okay there buddy you sure seem to know your socialism

Oh fuck that's Che isn't it

Anyway, you're still a fucking moron

Maoism only makes sense in a pre industrial society.
In the first world its practiced by moronic upper class white people who live in the city and most likely despise the rural people of their country.
In a true maoist revolution op and his university friends would be forced against the wall by rednecks

Castro was a revisionist by Hoxhaist standards just as anybody else. That Albanian special snowflake and his ultra-left sectarianism belongs in the trash.

oh, and china isnt even maoist anymore.
As soon as mao died they killed all his successors and became capitalist

Maoism doesn't do away with the proletariat's role as the driving force of the socialist revolution, it only asserts that peasants and parts of the bourgeoisie can play a progressive role for a certain time in backwards colonial countries.

Peasants or "rednecks" in the US and anywhere else in the first world are reactionary.

Exactly, like a true communist you actually despise the lower classes of your country and live in some walled off uni verity lifestyle communism and will never accomplish anything of value because your an effeminate dork who doesnt shoot guns and like football

When you so retarded your country
immediately sells out to capitalism the second you die

economic calculation problem
centralization wont work, pal

Op on Sudoku watch
western maoists on sudoku watch.
chairman trump rallied the rural areas of america with nationalism.

nytimes.com/2017/04/03/world/asia/maoists-for-trump-in-china-fans-admire-his-nationalist-views.html

deng's policies were unironically the most consistent with marxist theory

isnt Maoism specifically a third-worldist ideology tho
how can there be Maoism in the first-world? I thought there was that whole thing about surplus-value being extracted from the third-world to suppress the revolution in the first or some crap like that

Ah, you're just another retard who thinks liberals = commies and rednecks = proletarians. Nevermind then.

It's not like there were heavy power struggles within the party between Maoists and capitalist roaders or anything.

Book rec for the fence-sitting tankies ITT

>I thought there was that whole thing about surplus-value being extracted from the third-world to suppress the revolution in the first or some crap like that

That's a retarded meme American LARPers invented. It's loosely based on Mao's three worlds theory which itself is rejected by most Maoists since it's deemed retarded, simply put.

deng was a capitalist shit who gave into liberalism and ended all of maos stupid policies

read this article this guy posted
Maoist meetings and websites dwell on a clutch of enemies, including the C.I.A. and America in general, genetically modified crops and advocates of privatizing state companies. But they reserve a particular venom for liberal Chinese intellectuals and celebrities who have condemned Mao.

In the West, Mr. Zhang argued, the nationalists are on the right while the left generally supports internationalism. “But China is the opposite,” he said. “Chinese rightists are the traitors, while Chinese leftists are the patriots.”

The Communist Party never repudiated Mao’s legacy after his death in 1976, but it condemned his excesses, including the violent Cultural Revolution, and for years he was ignored or discredited while Deng Xiaoping pursued economic liberalization

Call me when any non-"tankie" revolution suceeds at stabilizing power

That's if you mean "third-worldism", which downright denies that western workers can be called proletarians.

The idea that social democracy in the West is sustained on imperialism is Leninist canon.

Call me when any tankie revolution succeeds at not immediately devolving into state-capitalism

The reality is after mao died, china became a capitalist country with socialist characteristics.
They developed a liberal middle class, and made lots of money.
The actual Maoists in china are marginalized and used as muscle against liberal academics who dont fall to party line.
The maoists and china admire trumps ability to rally the people against globalism and liberalism despite also dislike america, and imperialism.
Western maoists are jokes, self hating white people to the max. retards even whiten the communist community who in all likelihood despise the lowerclass and rural people.
Maoism thirdworldism takes the retardation to levels not imagined by humanity. a herp derp of university educated white people who think there is no such thing as lowerclass white people and white people are evil and responsible for everything bad ever

> I think we can go past both the CCP and the USSR. They're relic of a world which was fundamentally different from ours, and not much can be learnt from it

Yup, he's a real Marxist.

The whole maoism third worldism thing seems retarded, like only white people are capable of genocide and slavery and colonialism, when the Arab slave trade went on and mongol hordes literally depopulated Baghdad and ended the Islamic golden age.
The arabs would capture and enslave black people all the time, they would castrate them and turn them into eunuchs.
The arabs loved slavery so much they even enslaved white people
Slavery was practiced by many people in ancient times, but white people get all the blame for doing it instead of ending it.

You don't know what third-worldism is, clearly, so why post about it?

Most of the faults of USSR and CCP would not make sense int he US for example. Repression of snti-revolutionaries may be needed, but there would be no risk of mass starvation of under-industrialization: those problems are pretty much solved here, we're not starting from a feudal society.

On the other hand all of the reasons that laid behind the Soviet and Chinese revolution are simply not present in the West. At best we should take the general idea behind the Soviet and Chinese revolution, which is that a revolution has to fit its revolutionaries, which means that the Leninist and Maoist method is utterly worthless in this part of the world.

It's not a critique of the communist cause, rather a critique of the inadequacy of those revolutionary models when applied to this society: a revolution should not been nuanced, it should be, instead,mdirect and obvious. There are too many barriers in the Leninist texts, for example, for the average Joe to be convinced to start stockpiling weapons for the revolution.

Ik,r

Another A+ contribution from the fattest cunt in Dykeland. Congratulations.

Not to mention there isn't one centralized Tsar figure whose death would be a massive tipping point - if Lenin lived in contemporary US he would need to shoot a bunch of CEOs rather than anyone in gov't

I actually think the perfect form of american communism was the one jim jones created were he dressed up like a christian preacher.
He actually reached the real working people and wasnt some closed off university cunt.
He was really onto something.
Too bad he was also a sociopath.
youtube.com/watch?v=lEa5ANoKFNQ


Like, if communists went door to door in middle america to talk about their lord and savior karl marx, it would reach the actual people way more than being some cynical faggot on twitter posting hot takes or being some asshole who lives on a college campus preaching to the choir

Also, if we are accepting a materialist view of history, then we must recognize that the material conditions of our current society is massively different from what the USSR and CCP managed. Some lessons, however, will still be learned by examining the revolutions as well as the material conditions surrounding them.

The only thing left to do is to unironically become a Maori, tattoos and all

fascism, communism, and anarchism are discredited ideologies of the past, and we must create a new ideology to challenge 21 century capitalism which reflects the times.
Or at least update.
I think the actual threats to the system as time goes on will be transhumanism and hackers.
Some sort of tech communism maybe.
Overthrow the corporate ceo's a focus on the inequalities of silicon valley.
Seize the means of production then automate it, using hacking to ruin corporations, etc.

The Turkmen guy, not sure if he's technically left or right wing. Apparently his portrait is even on their airlines.

>transhumanism and hackers

>tfw you'd love to this dismiss this as dark englightment shit but deep down you know that hackers and transhumanism will be a actually major problem of our future society

It sucks, I wish I cold talk about it without sounding like a dumb redditor

hacking is already a major problem for the elite, celebrities, corporations, politicians.
Transhumanism hasn't really coalesced into a strong movement with aims yet beyond, "oh man wouldnt it be cool if"
Also the technology isnt there yet, i dont think it will ever be

>Transhumanism hasn't really coalesced into a strong movement with aims yet beyond, "oh man wouldnt it be cool if"

>implying that the elite won't just seize all the means to access transhumanity
>implying that there will ever be a popular movement about transhumanism

>Also the technology isnt there yet, i dont think it will ever be
Most modern biology fields are less than 50 years old. Give them time.

there already is one you r tard, and its reddit as fuck

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international and intellectual movement that aims to transform the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.[1][2] Transhumanist thinkers study the potential benefits and dangers of emerging technologies that could overcome fundamental human limitations, as well as the ethics[3] of using such technologies.[4] The most common transhumanist thesis is that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into different beings with abilities so greatly expanded from the natural condition as to merit the label of posthuman beings.


I think tech will change us, it already has, the internet, holograms, VR, drones, robots being developed by boston dynamics.
If you look at the stuff the military works on they are creating exoskeletons for the military, every solider is going to be iron man.

But we are a far cry away from ghost in the shell, uploading or consciousness, post human scifi stuff

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

That is just a movement of LARPers who obviously won't have access to the tools of transhumanism. Semantic.

FUCK OFF COMRADE REEEEEEE
FUCK YOU FOR RUINING COMMUNISM, SAME FOR POL POT. HE CAN SUCK MAOS DICK.

but deng's smart move was keeping the mao pictures everywhere, continuing to call ccp the ccp even though it wasn't really communist, and wearing the mao suits. He kept a sense of continuity and stability even though he was changing everything.

dude, we live in a capitalist society, if you dont think people arent going to want to make money off of tech, you are a moron.

>we can now makes human incomprehensibly (to our established human standards) smarter, more sensitive and more physically able
>nice, let's share it

It won't ever happen unless you've got a billion you're willing to spend.

Borrow a corpse to ressurect the soul
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems#Borrow_a_corpse_to_resurrect_the_soul

Remember when Maoists had a large cult of worshipping a mango?

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>in the United States, where industrial economic hubs can be isolated and attacked by surrounding farmlands

Yeah good luck to the toothless old white farmers in Illinois or Michigan in attacking the gang infested urban centres of Chicago and Detroit; I'm sure that's going to go real well for them.

they would be militarized, numb skull

Papa Doc/ Francois Duvalier, Pinochet, Mussolini, Hitler, Peron

They don't have to attack them. They only have to isolate them.

Even the Juche party likes (or liked) him.

youtube.com/watch?v=DRQ2p_UXJhA

>tfw unironically anarcho-capitalist
how should I feel about this?

Libertarian anything is Reddit. Also on /pol/ most of you fuckers seem to believe anything with government is communism.

If you're going to be a white first world Leftist who endorses the revolutionary politics of people whose situation is nothing like your own, why not choose the superior Democratic Confederalism?

thx senpai.

>we must create a new ideology to challenge 21 century capitalism which reflects the times.
We have, it's called Democratic Confederalism (Apoism). Her biji.

>hacking is already a major problem for the elite, celebrities, corporations, politicians.
lol. how so?

the first sip of economics will turn you into a libertarian, but at the bottom of the glass Marx is waiting for you

read huemer's problem of political authority

>mass repression, cruelty, indiscriminate violence, and unironic state-capitalism are fine if the trains run on time under a red flag

HOLY SHIT HOW IS THIS NOT BEING CHECKED?????

checked

He's a pop culture image in china, you can buy watches with his face on them. Taxi drivers love tacky shit, that's why they have them.

How on earth did Maoist China go capitalist without there being revolts by the public or by the party?

But there were.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_People's_Commune
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_communism_in_China

>transhumanism
>hackers
I remember the first time I saw the matrix. It was a whacky time, but really fun. You should explore some Phillip K. Dick or Alan Moore now.

please suggest some literature to me. I fucking beg you.

>leftcom
>implying communism isn't leftist enough