Is it really that hard to get a job in biology or other non Engineering/computer science fields...

Is it really that hard to get a job in biology or other non Engineering/computer science fields? I don't want to have to become a faggot engineer.

all memes aside, biology is way gayer than any engineering degree

I fixed that for you, is kinda right though.

What job are you thinking of pursing user

>2002-2012 projections

The unemployment rate for biologists is one of the highest at around 9%. That still doesn't sound too high for me though, you'd probably have to be really bad at what you do not to get a job.

If you go into some ecology shit, yeah, Go for anything closely related to pharma and you will get a job. Immunology does pretty well, and people who know how to operate a fermentor are going to be in increasingly short supply once synbio takes off across the board.

It's called a fucking joke you autist

Depends where you are, really. If you're a biologist you probably should move to where biotechs are if there's nothing nearby that you could see yourself doing for a while (apart to build up experience for a job at a place you actually want to be at).

In essence the norm these days for noobs in biotech is to start out by taking contract gigs, or maybe paid internship -> contract. Contract = may be similar pay to FTE on the surface, but, no benefits or security so it's not at all as good as being FTE. Most contracts go for somewhere around 6-12 months and often will just renew for another year or whatever at the end as long as you didn't suck. The pool of contractors is often a grounds from which to hire new FTE research associates or techs or whatever, because the company already knows who those guys are and who would be good hires; contractors may get a shot at positions before they're posted to the open public and it's basically horizontal movement.

Another major determinant is size of company - big famous companies can have excellent job security and salaries as long as they're doing well with their pipeline, and at places like Genentech it's a whole work culture where it might (creepily) try to take over your life and identity. A good position at these companies is also extremely fucking hard to get. Startups are the wild cards - they can be easy to get into for entry level (though they usually want ultra-experienced people for senior lab/core positions). Pay might be good or bad, hours might be fucking nuts because they need everyone to survive; it could be a frenetic but fun and stimulating atmosphere, or a slave camp. The appeal is that if you're lucky you'll get stock options in an IPO and may well strike it rich. Of course, many startups fail, about 80% I think, so it's inherently way less secure but your life at least isn't carved out in stone like at a big company.

why not become an air traffic controller operator and make 100k a yr?

Because that's literally a job with the highest suicide rates and incredibly difficult to learn. There is a reason it pays so much money.

I want to do population biology since its a combination of both bio and math.

>not applying mathematics to finance to become a much sought after quantitative finance specialist working 3 hours a week in consulting and making 6 figures

That doesn't sound fun. I want to use math to model population change and evolution while using my knowledge of biology and math.

What about fields like Theoretical Biology? Or is that so far removed from biology that it doesn't count?

It's not impossible, but if I'm not mistaken you really need an advanced degree. Preferably a PhD.

>Everyone expects university to instantly grant them a good paying job after graduation
>No one wants to go to grad school because the total trip becomes a 6-10 year commitment
>Not realizing that university enrollment exploded to fill demands that were never real

If you really have a passion for the subject, get a masters or phd, if you just want to graduate with a job, get a bachelors in something with a huge job market. It's not that hard.

>not wanting money over anything else

abselute kek

This. What are you? A goy?

Techonology is where shit's at. It's a rather new field, plus most people find it boring to understand. So the ones who choose it will be quickly employed.

Yes.
busines adm. (bsc) master race and taking finance license on the side.

*hands rubbing against eachother*

Theoretical biology? That's a new term for me. Sounds like it's getting dangerously close to Cryptozoology though.

What the graph doesn't tell you is that all of the fields on the left are more than capable of taking many of the job openings on the far right.

The reverse is not true.

I'm a goy (the only thing remotely jewish about me is my aquilline nose) and I want money over everything else. Don't blame me on your lack of ambition.

>b-but people that want money are brainlets
That's what your autistic, delusional mind thinks. There are plenty of brilliant people starting companies at Sillicon Valley or working at Wall Street. They are actually smarter than you because they are using their brains to get something which is objectively good for them instead of subjective shit like "knowing the universe".

>degrees are worthless, therefore you should spend more time and money on degrees
What did he mean by this?

>get cushy job making lots of money
>use abundant disposable income and free time to pursue your actual scientific or mathematic interests
I'll never understand why people on here don't see this possibility

What he actually said was that one should either pursue advanced education in an area they actually want to be involved in or otherwise say fuck it and get a BS in a field picked solely based on the job market.

>Ambition
>Not wanting to do a boring job for the rest of my life means I have no ambition
Kek.

Can anyone speak from experience if it is easier to get a good job with an MS in engineering as opposed to a BS?