Does Veeky Forums really hate Harry Potter or is it just a backlash against its enormous popularity and the perceived...

This, it was fun to read as a kid and young teen but it's not Shakespeare or anything and using it as a serious political allegory is retarded.

HP is /comfy/

I hated it since I first read and watched it. It makes magic into the lamest shit and wizards into fucking idiots instead of wise and extremely powerful

>muh tolkien
Kill yourself.

It is until you remember that it was written by a virtue signalling banshee who destroys her work just to remain relevant.

Fuck off, elitist brainlet.

True, but I don't focus on the franchise or works surrounding the series. I just listen to the audiobooks when I go to sleep or when I'm at work to break the monotony.

>elitist brainlet

What are you confused about, user? Can a retarded pseud not be elitist?

There was no elitism in his post, unlike yours. 'brainlet' is an elitist term.

The James Bond of Children's Lit

The same plot, retooled, time after time whilst bearing the same hamfisted and plothole-ridden motifs

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what's the redpill equivalent to Harry Potter? You know, YA that makes kids grow up into swole aryan supermen instead of fat sjws?

They're decent as children's literature. The issue is all the 27-year-old people who still obsess over them because they haven't read a book in ten years.

Ironically, the series that probably comes the closest is Twilight, since it promotes traditional marriage and family life.

Probably both.

Like, they are solid YA adventure fantasies but it is annoying that there are adults who read only Harry Potter. "At least they're reading!" but what else have these people read since? Nothing.

Grew up as an Artemis Fowl partisan, still think its way better than HP. I never read HP past midway through the second book, not because its bad necessarily, I was just bitter that everyone couldn't see how much better Artemis Fowl obviously is.

Fucking Potter dickriders

Tolkien is far, far more grown up than Rowling. At the end of Tolkien's story, the kid-friendly characters actually have to prove themselves as adults and solve a grown-up problem by themselves. And then we learn that "some wounds go too deep for the healing."

>Cynical teenage hacker criminal with bodyguard inhabiting a batshit underground world of magical creatures
Yeah I see no marketing problems here whatsoever.

Its so badass though. I don't see why that should be problem but I guess it was, you're right; I've still got a chapped ass about it though

I don't hate it, but I despise the fanbase.

Unfortunately, that got too wierdly political and heavy handed. It was a little less comfy, and a little more self rightious.

That's how I felt about it too. The premise sounded comfortable, but the finished product was the exact opposite.

even as a kid I didn't like it. I read the first three books and by then I was utterly tired of it.

You can't blame the work but it has become almost impossible to extricate it from the nonsense of its main fan-base and really if you can separate them all you're left with is a pretty weak series of books that was far too compromised by the films being made at the same time.

I loved it as much as anyone when it was being released but Rowling who is the luckiest third rate writer who ever lived refusing to shut the fuck up tarnishes it too much. If they could have all come out naturally without all the hype and especially without the films then we could have been left with a charming series of children's books that evoked the feeling of early reading for adults, but instead it descended into a young adult shitfest that has done nothing but show how mentally stunted most people are.

It's less a backlash to Harry Potter itself and more one to vapid 20-30 somethings who've never read a book since high school citing it as the pinnacle of literature. J K Rowling's twitter posturing also attracts /pol/'s ire on top of that.

Like anything else that's very popular it ends up with a wretched fanbase that makes it less likable by association.

Shitty Harry Potter fans reinforce my hatred of women.

try this mane

Reading Harry Potter is just another meme for mouthbreathing cunts who live life on autopilot. They do it because everyone does it. Like playing Pokemon Go and doing the ice bucket challenge.

The series isn't insanely popular because the books are any good. Nobody would read seven installments of this hacky tripe if it weren't for everybody else doing it.

I'm reading it right now. Sometimes it's nice to turn off your brain and just read a story. It's pretty well set up and thought out, i think. You'll see foreshadowing in the first books. I loved the movies, and I'm enjoying the books.

Previous to this I finished the silmarillion, hobbit, and LOTR, then started brothers Karamazov and life has just been too hectic to actually pay attention to what I'm reading

I dunno man, I read them when I was really young and just plain enjoyed them. None of my other friends were into books and yet I was still super excited to continue the adventure every time the next install was released.

>tfw you realize your most prized childhood memories are just a collection of consumer experiences

Narnia

>when the kid reads narnia

You could probably do a whole lot worse.

How does Clive Barker's Abarat compare to Harry Potter?

Harry Potter are fantasy books for children. It isn't even real literature.

Furthermore it memes stupid working class parents into thinking their brainlet child is learning by reading when in reality they're wasting their time reading fantasy trash.

The Once and Future King teaches kids the importance of objectivity and higher law, and Lord of the Rings is absolutely volkisch.

It's an alright book series for kids, that's about it. I'd say it's a good start to get kids into reading, but for adults/teens, there are just way better fictional books. Overall, they are pretty inoffensive, but I think Veeky Forums just hates it so much because Rowling is a huge SJW.

I haven't read a page of a Harry Potter book since I was 12 so I can't really comment on its literary quality.

What should I give my little sister to get her off of Harry Potter? She started reading in over spring break and hasn't shut up about it sense.

How old is she?

12

Then let her read whatever she wants. Reading YA at 12 isn't a cardinal sin.

you sound like a mean brother

Don't be a dick. Let people read what they want to read even if you think it's trash.

I read the first two in the series and they were okay. But I think their popularity speaks for itself.

Hell, this series inspired a shit-load of kids to read. There's nothing wrong with that. Gotta start somewhere.

This. Good call, user. In that universe, Santa Claus gives you a fucking broadsword for Christmas.

It's a godsend for language learners, as it's easy, familiar and has been translated into basically every language

Okay. All of you are probably correct. I'll leave it alone.

I didn't want to leave it alone because that's exactly what I did when my little brother got into anime, and now he's a socially rejected neckbeard.

Anime is a lot worse than Harry Potter because Japanese culture is autistic collectivism written by shamed outcasts finding an outlet.

>enormous popularity and infantilization of literature that it caused
HP is pretty good for a kid's book, but this shit has got to stop, adults need to start reading adult literature again.

This is mostly a symptom of our millennials being incompetent fucking babies rather than something Harry Potter brought about though.

>every book ever

>grown up
You 12 bro?

I think that videogames and capeshit is part of the reason that people stick with kids material. Millennials is a Peter Pan generation because media made for them is childish.

>Millennials is a Peter Pan generation because media made for them is childish.
That probably plays a large part, but I think it's also because society as a whole allows them to act like children, stunting their growth.

What characterizes childish literature?

Sure, years of sitcoms with silly characters acting childish has put the meme into their head that it's okay to be a whimsical free spirit because no lasting trouble will come their way.

>succumbing to juvenoia
Bet you feel real superior with statements like these huh?

implying generational behavioural changes don't exist and that one can't make value judgements about them

It's mediocre as mediocre gets.

this

Not really. I'm part of the problem. I enjoy fancy escapism a lot. Probably because I fell in love with mythology and folktales as a child and it just stuck with me.

As I have gotten older I'm starting to see the flaws of general escapism more clearly, though.

Harry Potter is just shit, there are tons of better books for kids to read. Like Hans Christian Anderson, Narnia, The Little Prince, The Door in the Wall, the Bible, and maybe some lyric poetry.

Not contemporary enough, mate.

Plebs

In my opinion, Harry Potter isn't the cause of the infantilization of literature but more of a symptom of it.

Hating Harry Potter is just another meme for mouthbreathing cunts who live life on autopilot. They do it because everyone does it. Like playing Pokemon Go and doing the ice bucket challenge.

>The Bible
>for kids

Fuck you, I liked it.

How did The Guardian fall so low? It's embarrassing.

I mean, it's British, what do you expect?

Pinecone saw the writing on the wall 15 years ago.

Our papers are mostly trash. But then - most papers are.

I did the ice bucket challenge in a sauna. The rush was so intense that I did it twice. Why don't you try doing things for the hell of it?

On a related note, what does Veeky Forums think about Percy Jackson? I haven't though about it in a decade, but this thread brought it back to me

Having browsed some Stephen King books I can honestly say I'd rather see kids reading Harry Potter than adults reading Stephen King.

Harry Potter actually teaches quite a lot of skepticism towards accepted narratives and conventions at times and I'd say Goblet of Fire is actually structured fairly well. Plus Rowling has a knack for writing Dumbledore.

King has nothing I could see other than indulging in plot clichés and progressive messaging. I hesitate to even say he writes better than Rowling, almost all of the Harry Potter books resolve far more cleanly than his train wreck endings.

>It's pretty well set up and thought out

Just keep her away from John Green and The Perks of Being a Wallflower and she'll be all right

So, what are the perks of being wallflower?

I enjoyed those books as a child. Got me interested in Greek mythology, at least, which is no small favour.

>is it just a backlash against its enormous popularity and the perceived infantilization of literature that it caused?

Anything that Veeky Forums hates is pathetic contrarianism.

It's our culture on these boards to be as contrarian as possible . If Futa sfm vore porn was mainstream we would move onto something else.

I've honestly never read that.
All the plebs have though :-)

I don't hate it. It's great if you're

Tried to read it when the first book was getting popular here and it was garbage. Went back to LOTR for fantasy.

If you like this shit you are seriously a pleb.

Goddamn. That is actually most American childhoods now that I think about it. In fact, I apologised to my mom a few weeks ago for asking for toys and shit as a kid because it's so fucking stupid. Cheap Chinese shit with a logo in a likeness. Wow. The strange irony is that I had more fun playing with actual cheap army men and Lincoln Logs.

Thinking about it though just really tears it. Kids love McDonald's. Kids love theme parks. Kids love sports games. Kids love toys. You're just taught to consume and consume and all you ever are is a consumer.

...

What is a book if not a consumer experience?

it all falls apart in the 3rd book. Adding time travel is almost always a stupid idea. and the gigantic map plot hole too.

I don't mind it in itself, it's a fine book for children and teens.

What I do mind is the infantilization that you mention. Twenty-somethings who read it religiously and use it as an explanatory tool on the real world, like here

Nigga he saves the world in the first book.