Looking at STEM jobs. Why are scientists, mathematicians, programmers so liberal, but engineers, not?

Looking at STEM jobs. Why are scientists, mathematicians, programmers so liberal, but engineers, not?

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Conservatives are practical

I thought Engineers were gay?

>not employed is considered in occupation
>it's one of the top for Democrats
Even the most /pol/ hating individual knows what demographic this is.

You can tell how people with a certain job will lean politically with the following method;

If the job is useful, and worth while the employee will lean to the right.

If the job is useless, and worthless the employee will lean to the left.

This formula works every time.

Not every time, I am studying mathematics, arguably the most useless field, but I lean to the right.

Wow, you caught me off guard.

>among the most democratic occupations
>not employed
lmao

academia - or the intelligentsia if you like - is the faction of society most densely populated by liberal minded people, "science based" indoctrinates (i.e marxists) and revolutionaries

engineers are not academics; they are builders

actual conservative people (not many exist anymore) tend to prefer tactile, tangible and traditional livings like building, fixing and farming, all of which are - as it were - subsets of engineering.

That was just a MEME you dip.

Also, engineers can feel the weight of their math. One slip and it is all bye bye. Also scientists tend to outsmart things that hurt conservatives. They know vaccines. They know robotics. They know stuff that makes life easy.

As for math, they really, honestly give no fucks. We try to protect them from themselves and others soley because they are literal autism gods and if they so choose to turn their heads to any other profession their sheer mental power tends to render whatever their focus is on into something so perfect that it makes everyone unemployed.
Programmers are mathematicians with autism under "Somewhat" a control.
An engineer is working at his desk in his office. His cigarette falls off the desk into the wastebasket, causing the papers within to burst into flames. The engineer looks around, sees a fire extinguisher, grabs it, puts out the flames, and goes back to work.

A physicist is working at his desk in another office and the same thing happens. He looks at the fire, looks at the fire extinguisher, and thinks "Fire requires fuel plus oxygen plus heat. The fire extinguisher will remove both the oxygen and the heat in the wastebasket. Ergo, no fire." He grabs the extinguisher, puts out the flames, and goes back to work.

A mathematician is working at his desk in another office and the same thing happens. He looks at the fire, looks at the fire extinguisher, and thinks for a minute, says "Ah! A solution exists!" and goes back to work.

so basically engineers are vacuous automatons that start fires because they cant hold on to small objects correctly

Are you taking a jab at engineers having small penises?

They are quicker on the draw, notice that it takes longer to come up with a solution the higher on the chain.

I didn't see many mathematicians or physicists surviving Dead Space One or Two or Three.

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I don't need to formulate solutions to problems that I would never actually begin in the first place

thats like praising niggers for being quickest off the mark to collect water in their buckets because they failed to invent a well

so niggers are quicker at finding niggersolutions to niggerproblems; so what? just dont be a fucking nigger in the first place

I hate this retarded meme so much. Engineers are not gay, they just like fucking each other in the ass.

Liberalism is associated with a higher IQ. Mathematics is associated with a higher IQ.

Conservatism is associated with a lower IQ. Engineering is associated with a lower IQ.

so no job?

>click on any Veeky Forums post
>racebaiting continues

memes aside everyone else here said the whole "respect for the tangible/practical" but i feel like some tradition/location plays a part of it.
engineering is probably a lot more employable in conservative america than research or software and kids are probably pushed into it more there than on the coasts, where the STEM meme went full force

Because blue collar workers lean to the right.

This. Engineering is not science, it is a profession. Granted, much more intellectually stimulating than being a plumber or electrician, but still a profession.

Two hypotheses:

The cause and effect is the other way around. Conservatives are more likely to study engineering as it doesn't go outside their comfort zone.

Other: Engineers need certainty. Liberalism takes account of shades of grey. Conservatism is black or white. Which fits better?

final proof that engineers are low iq trash on average
liberal views have been correlated with higher IQ in many studies

Because engineers are brainlets.

:thinking:

Would you hire a Liberal to build a ship?

See this.

>implying there is no external bias in educational institutions due to the out of control media and political control of these schools. people who even bring up the other view point, without even arguing for it are ridiculed and publicly shamed for it. the dichotomy of these statistics has methodological errors in it

Because engineers are primarily parasites in it for the money usually
Fortunately for them, the scientists who discover all their cash cows are selfless

>Arguably the most useless field
You can't even larp correctly

Translation to plebeian please?

/pol/ was right
Pure maths and physics autists are actually brainlets.

You are just hurt that they called you dumb. Despite the fact that without you they would not be able to sit behind their vast technological obelisks to smug at you.

>one of the top
That doesn't mean it's one of the most populous occupations, it means it's one of the most democratic.

And it's likely skewed by unemployed rednecks being embarassed and putting down some bullshit "job" that they last did 20 years ago when the plant closed because of automation.

By the way, this is data about number of donations given to political campaigns. It's only looking at the people who care enough one way or the other to donate.

to be honest most of the actual neckbearded peabrained autismlords that exist nowadays are 14 year old atheists who discovered richard dawkins and being edgy on the internet last summer; thinking that chemical engineering is something you ought to do if you are a le redpilled alpha thats against le globalisation

indeed, you may have noticed i am describing the entirety of pol

it should occur to you that the vast majority of republican voters are
1: liberal
2: non-Veeky Forums users with jobs
3: home owning

tl;dr: chemical engineering is essentially weaponised autism in the year 2017 i shiggy diggy

i’ll make it easy for the low verbal iq STEMlords:

engineering isn’t science and can be taught to any autist

maths and physics require exceptionally high iq’s to get hired in or get teaching positions in. engineers work for corporate america and build toys for the consumer base and the government

phyicists and mathematicians are uncovering the laws that govern the natural world, thought and life itself.

engineers are generally incapable of thinking abstractly. but quite practical and handy.

physicists and mathematicians are impracticle and neurotic

liberals are impracticle and neurotic and signficiantly higher iq than conservatives

engineering is a meme for people too smart for lib arts and too stupid for maths and physics

maths and physics is what the species does with its top 5 percentiles of intelligence.


there you go

Scientists work for a fraction of what they could potentially make in industry. They give away their research for free. Selflessness = left leaning

Engineers work for industry using the methods that scientists come up with. They're paid well and they exist purely to make their corporate masters and themselves more wealthy. Hence right leaning

>Liberalism takes account of shades of grey
>everybody is a nazi
>Conservatism is black and white
>every conservative disagrees with each other and there are a million kinds of conservatism

>low verbal iq STEMlords:
>impracticle
kill yourself

>rerouting this hard

>low verbal iq STEMlords
>impracticle
the joke writes itself

Because engineers have to del al with reality more directly than the others. Reality doesn't give a fuck about tour feelings, only about what works.

still the most clear delineation of why engineers are republican conservatives and maths and physics nerds are liberal democrats. if it bothers you that i mispelled impractical twice you have autism

>t. low verbal iq polka dance major

>polka dance major
bee careful you’ll hurt yourself

>making the implication that math is impractical by analogizing liberals and mathematics
this has to be fucking bait, go back to your baby board

>t. extremely angry unemployed maths nigger
unless you pair that with finance or CS, yes, i’d say its pretty impractical.

why are you here if you don't care about STEM? there are places much better suited for you

>t. brainlet who failed calculus 1

what? are you all that autistic and sensitive? i would cut off both my hands and my tongue to be good at maths. I just like teasing you, because you’re oversensitive, neurotic and gigantic spergs. I’m just pointing out obvious things like:

maths and physics majors have the highest iq’s of any group of humans on earth

engineers are demonstrably less intelligent but more practical people, and this is evidenced by their being hired consistently more often than the former group

conservatives are practical, but generally of a lesser degree of intellect than liberals

liberals rate higher in neuroticism and abstract thinking skills than conservatives, hence the atheism and openness.

maths and physics nerds are highly neurotic and also score higher in opennness than most of the gen pop

ergo, maths and physics majors are liable to end up being politically liberal.

that’s all that i meant to share. i was just mildly amused at how much spaghetti was being dropped, and how ill conceived most of the explanations being offered were. I had no intention of suggesting engineers aren’t useful or above average intelligence, they of course are much smarter than the average non-STEMlord. Nor was I trying to imply that maths and physics nigs aren’t themselves probably more practical than the average human. Of course they’re likely to be higher conscientiousness than a lawyer or banker, thus they’d by all measures be practical people. Its just that relative to engineers they’re probably less so. Why get upset? Its just a joke, have you never been teased before by people who are jealous of you? For fuck’s sake.

i honestly dont understand where you get off on saying that at all

are you sure you understand the epic memes you are repeating user?

My dad is a former engineer (worked for general dynamics for 15 years). He's only a parrot of information, incapable of forming his own thoughts and ideas. Ultimately, he is a boot-licking cuck. That sums up my perspective of engineers.

I'm a junior in biochem and I am a nazi, will be going to grad school.

Is this the new pasta?

But SJW told me software engineer are neo Nazis.

ebin post

you study math and don't understand what an outlier is? good lord.

Liberalism is associated with a lower IQ. Social Work is associated with a lower IQ.

Conservatism is associated with a higher IQ. Engineering is associated with a higher IQ.

Schools are able to ensure that conservatives in academia are publically shamed or ridiculed for bringing up opposing viewpoints. Thus it is difficult to estimate the number of conservatives in academia because they hide their power level.

Because the livelihood of a lot of engineers is helped by republican policy.

(((they))) have a hard time forcing women into engineering

Both of my families have a history of being liberal and having small political power in Europe, the US and North of South America (especially Europe) and most (all except my brother, still in college for graphic design, technically my sister too, public relations officer) have been scientists, engineers, dentists, chemists and lawyers, I really do not understand what you mean

(Also that's my brother)

Crap, my brothers girlfriend, whatever

what? are you all that autistic and sensitive? i would cut off both my hands and my tongue to be good at maths. I just like teasing you, because you’re oversensitive, neurotic and gigantic spergs. I’m just pointing out obvious things like:

maths and physics majors have the highest iq’s of any group of humans on earth

engineers are demonstrably less intelligent but more practical people, and this is evidenced by their being hired consistently more often than the former group

conservatives are practical, but generally of a lesser degree of intellect than liberals

liberals rate higher in neuroticism and abstract thinking skills than conservatives, hence the atheism and openness.

maths and physics nerds are highly neurotic and also score higher in opennness than most of the gen pop

ergo, maths and physics majors are liable to end up being politically liberal.

that’s all that i meant to share. i was just mildly amused at how much spaghetti was being dropped, and how ill conceived most of the explanations being offered were. I had no intention of suggesting engineers aren’t useful or above average intelligence, they of course are much smarter than the average non-STEMlord. Nor was I trying to imply that maths and physics nigs aren’t themselves probably more practical than the average human. Of course they’re likely to be higher conscientiousness than a lawyer or banker, thus they’d by all measures be practical people. Its just that relative to engineers they’re probably less so. Why get upset? Its just a joke, have you never been teased before by people who are jealous of you? For fuck’s sake.

Because we aren't faggots.

A lot of them are quite stupid though, unable to understand that any practical matter is only as good as the theory behind it, especially on a larger scale.

These posts are quite spot on, I have noticed many times that conservative thinking takes away creativity, but the other end is just as bad though (SJWs).

Also we are talking about averages: there are less intelligent physicists and extremely intelligent engineers. This is another interesting thing: a practical engineer's worth is a lot more in business terms than a shit physicist's who can't really connect the theory. On the other hand an engineer who can do that easily usually ends up being a physicist too.
The old saying goes like this: "It's better to be a good engineer than a bad physicist, but it's better to be a good physicist than a good engineer."

>intelligentsia
ah yes I see all the communists in shit tier colleges influencing politics at the top rather than just screeching autistically :^)

nice triple layer bait

>atheism
You just proved yourself to be an idiot. JUst because modern religions seem stupid doesn't mean there isn't an all mighty entity. You have zero proof to claim no god entity doesn't exist.

Because scientists, mathematicians, and programmers are actually smart

>programmers
>smart
Topkek. The only people smarter than Engineers are Mathematicians, Physicists and emotionally Philosophers. Other branches of science like Biology have dimwits that cannot comprehend the slightest thing a ME or EE learn.

>The only people smarter than Engineers are Mathematicians, Physicists and emotionally Philosophers
Literally howling at this post

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Glad I can make you smile too sweetie :)

the blue guys believe in global warming
the red guys do not

this is where the disparity comes from.

Smart people tend to lean liberal.
Engineering is dirty and requires nothing but applying tools that you happened to learn and forgot about, and that doesn't really require intelligence.

/thread

Engineers are the business bro douches of STEM.

>engineering is applying tools
My God, this board is fucking stupid, engineering technicians are not engineers. Engineers spend all there time in a fucking office not digging dirt or fucking fucking with engines in a shop. I'm starting to think the Euros here have zero understanding what the word engineer is or the definition is completely different from that of the US.

Fuck off dumb yank

Fagineer detected.

scientists, mathematicians and programmers can make shit up, only engineers have their ideas tested by the harsh mistress of reality, engineers live in the real world so it is only natural that they have the correct opinions, they not only deserve the highest pay grades, they ought to be revered and respected like doctors

how's high school?

You're too retarded to notice that "applying tools" doesn't mean actually applying physical tools.

Not surprising from a wannabe engineer.

It's not gay if they don't push back.
It's definitely not gay if you beat them up afterwards.

I always found the difference in internal medicine and surgery a fun one. Neurologist for instance were 64% Democratic on this tool but Neurosurgeons were 71% Republican.

Is this from Dr. Mcclean?

>engineers apply tools
No, dipshit, they apply math and physics. A technician applies tools. For some reason the majority of Veeky Forums thinks the hvac repairman is an engineer. Not surprised since the word "engineer" has been irresponsibly used to describe careers that are not engineering. Legally you can't even call yourself an Engineer unless you have a PE but that doesn't stop people from doing it I guess.

I wonder who could be behind these posts?

Okay, so I guess we agree that mathematicians and physicists are the smartest people. But who is the smartest of these two?

Those fields are overridden with academics, who tend to be serious idealists, as well as pro big government

Engineers are more on the realist, limited government pro industry side of things

Probably couldn't be a better illustration of the dichotomy between academics and those in industry

>I don't need to formulate solutions to problems that I would never actually begin in the first place
t. low IQ user

Start a blog about it then, faggot.

engineering is economic by nature. If you live in a capitalist country you build what the capitalists hire you to. Science/math is about knowledge irrespective of economies.

>being this triggered

Hahahaha

As a mathematician working as an engineer who happens to be a soft national socialist, where do I fit in?

Petroleum and mining engineering are republicans, I am shocked.

Look at the link above, economists are 75% democrats.

>where do I fit in?

In the current Veeky Forums generation.