I have grown up receiving a strictly religious education. During my teen years, I kinda dropped the ball and stopped giving a shit about religion (except for the occasional prayers and such). Then two years ago, at age 20, I went trough a full-fledged atheism phase.
Here's the problem: That phase is definitely over. It was empty and meaningless, and now that I dwell back on it, it was edgy and cringeworthy as fuck.
Now I am too mature to fall for the Atheism meme again, but too redpilled to believe in religion once again. I am literally stuck in a spiritual limbo.
What should I do next? For those of you who can relate, what did you do?
Ecumenical Congregational Christianity. I dont need the feel good aspects, I just cant deal with being a secret hypocrite or heretic due to my beliefs.
Grayson Cook
>too redpilled
>for religion
I see you stopped your education halfway
Andrew Davis
go full mystic
Jace Russell
I am a Sandnigger. I'd rather get fucked in the ass than become a Jesusfag.
Logan Jenkins
Aristotle's got some neat shit on god if you wanna look for meaning without fucking with churches or whatever have you. Plenty of neat books out there on the philosophical god and the implications of being a piece of shit human. If that's not your boat, Albert Camus can probably throw you some neat stuff in terms of meaning
Just be. You don't have to even consider religion in your daily life. Focus on work, hobbies, self-improvement, relationships, etc.
Joshua Cruz
Why do people think that value and meaning lie in religion? >if you believe = 100% value >if you're atheist = 0% value You see this is retarded? You irrationally connect value to the presence or absence of God. You literally tie everything to one arbitrary concept. Why not finding meaning in something else? Why don't you build your own values system? What's really important for you? Just to give you an example, lovers don't give a shit about God – they literally forget him, because they have themselves. Their value is their love. Now what's your thing? Are you people actually so emply you need to project your research of value outside of you? God is one choice, but there are infinite others.
Kevin Turner
atheism is like straight edge it's for fucking morons who can't do something without proclaiming it to the world like you're making a statement. >redpilled LMAO makes sense go kill yourself
Julian Sanchez
Or you know you could stop living in lables and just accept that being an atheist doesn't imply a Fedora-wearing internet-warrior lifestyle.
Brayden Cooper
This will sound quite edgy, but:I am too abstract for that. I need some sort of spiritual code in my life. (I am a brainlet and I know it)
Elijah Martin
Not all atheists are vocal about it
Carter Stewart
>Implying sandniggers aren't the first and most based Christians Try orthodoxy or Catholicism. They both are very structured with lots of tradition. Even legitimate philosophic tradition and all types of great texts to get into besides the Bible.
Colton Perez
>this is good enough to bait Veeky Forums you might read books, but in many ways this is the dumbest board on Veeky Forums
Liam Richardson
You don't have to be, why do you have to label yourself an atheist? There are plenty of people who don't believe in a higher power who don't label themselves.
Liam Cox
>is it a dumb thread?
Maybe. I just need serious responses and Veeky Forums is the only place I can get them. Veeky Forums too would be serious but the issue at hand is unrelated to history.
>is it bait?
Definitely not. I posted this as a serious thread.
Mason Myers
t. intelligent user
Grayson Adams
>What should I do next? For those of you who can relate, what did you do? Nothing. I went through a similar thing, though the "atheism" phase wasn't really a thing in my case, it was just a slow phasing out into the "spiritual limbo". The best thing to do is just nothing. Don't worry about it. If you really can't stop I suggest reading, quite literally, just Wikipedia articles, about space and the universe. Install Space Engine and mess around. This in itself is "really made me thingk" material about how small we are, but if it's not enough: read about the history of religions. I'm assuming you're from the West, so you grew up with Judaism/Islam/Christianity. Read a bit about their history and it will all seem so simplistically dumb how anyone even follows these religions in the West. Finally, I would say the best way to fill the "spiritual limbo", and what I would say is the proper way, is to read about and strive towards "the ideal". The ideal for the single person and the ideal for mankind. Reading about history and the heights, and depths, that mankind has gone to. That's the only thing you can ever really "believe" in, that we're all human, that we were all born and that we will all die. Start with the Greeks etc.
>Veeky Forums Might as well ask reddit, you'll get the same shit.
Ryan Green
user, it seems as though it is time for you reconcile that the spiritual part of your personality that existed in your childhood with your rational and skeptical adult personality.
I would recommend that you begin digging into works by Tolstoy (Confessions), Dostoevsky (The Brothers Karamazov, Crime and Punishment), Nietzsche (Beyond Good and Evil, Twilight of the Idols, and Ecce Homo), and some of Carl Jung's work related to the process of individuation. Also, I'd recommend reading Rilke's Letters to a Young Poet.
These readings will give you some kind of compass through your spiritual limbo but the answers you are searching for are already within you. These books that I've recommended will provide you with some insight as to where to go next. The answer to some of the deepest questions that life presents to us can often only be found by excavating through the depths of our own self.
Blake Allen
I am speaking out of experience. Fuck stereotypes.
Plus, muslim stereotypes are way worse than atheist stereotypes so your point is totally invalid in my case.
Blake Phillips
Alright well supposing this isn't a bait thread to make normies and edgelords mad I'll give you an honest answer.
Consider that humanity needs religion, and its existence as a science of the spirit is a crutch used to support parts of our brain that we don't fully understand yet with the scientific method. If you were raised in religion, your head is swimming in myths and symbols so pervasive they are inescapable. So why try to escape them?
I would recommend you read the comparative mythology work of Campbell and Frazer, Mircea Eliade's The Sacred and the Profane, and research Jung's idea of individuation and collective unconscious. You will soon form your own opinion about the human need for faith, religion, and its place in your life. This is something you can't be told.
ps Atheism is for edgelords and agnosticism is for pseuds. Hitchens and Dawkins are very sad cases, sadder than true believers who live and die without ever understanding why the symbols they worship have such power over them.
Jacob Murphy
>sadder than true believers who live and die without ever understanding why the symbols they worship have such power over them >it's better to look at the muddy ground your whole life than to take a peek at the sky and spend the rest of your tiny life wondering what it's all about damn you're convincing bro, atheists and agnostics really are brainlets to be h
Dylan Morales
>too redpilled to believe in religion once again >stuck in spiritual limbo
Belief in spirituality, belief in a greater-than-physical existence, and/or belief in a transcendent function to reality are all distinct and separate from religion.
Decide how you feel about it instead of letting some other entity or organization decide for you. If you can't do that, you might as well just go back to religion.
This guy is a faggot, don't listen to him. Any construction of man can be dismissed by man without justification.
Anthony Clark
Fuck off, shill samefag.
Charles Lewis
Yep I'm in limbo as well. Honestly I've learned to be happy being agnostic and to embrace being a fence-sitter. I'm prepared to accept religion once again if I ever feel the need to though.
Asher Bell
I did a quick reading on Carl Jung's individuation process and I must say I am interested. Any recommended reads?
Jose Sanders
Are you retarded?
Aaron Diaz
You clearly painted over the top (you)
post a gif and I will believe you. samefagging shill
William Garcia
Just kill yourself, please, you fucking retard. You're not even posting anything, just telling me and the other guy, who I disagreed with, that we're samefagging, you fucking worthless faggot.
Gavin Foster
Read Peterson
He draws on Carl Jung BTW.
William Ramirez
The ones recommended. Individuation means just what this other user said: getting to know yourself. Conscious, unconscious. Pay attention to your dreams, it is your unconscious self speaking to you in symbols. Learn what those symbols mean to you. Listen to yourself. Figure out what your fears are, what drives you, and why you are into granny porn.
The works that user recommended will stir you, and your reaction to them will give you a reflection of your whole self back to you. It's a process of reflection that susses out an image of a whole you. Your view will never be complete, but it can get close.
You are wasting your time.
Sebastian Sanchez
Oh and a good cheap introduction to Jung is Man and His Symbols.
Brayden Jones
Just become a Christian as a reaction to liberal society like everyone else on this board.
Nolan Smith
I think that was last year.
Jonathan Butler
This, you were too used to finding value in some outside value (religion) and when you stopped giving a fuck about it you didn't make an effort on replacing it with self love or whatever bullshit you want, then you blame atheism for your own failures, when the problem isn't atheism or religion, it's you.
Michael Moore
Go directly to the German idealists, my friend.
Angel Russell
>Self love as a philosophy ISHYGDDT
Landon Howard
>spiritual limbo. its called agnosticism
Brandon Rogers
Nietzsche. You'll probably create things to worship or dedicate your life to the fantasy version of regardless, but it's helpful for meaning making in some cases while less so in others.
You could also go for Frankl's Man Search for Meaning route, if you're not looking to re-read several books several times to fully comprehend the material.
If you're interested in Nietzsche though, and have enough background in philosophy, he will keep you in books for longer and has far more fun prose.
Chase Mitchell
Read the power of now.
Blake Davis
Good post my man. Any reccs for history of Christianity and ideals of mankind?
Jayden Powell
>What did you do? Looked to Hinduism. That stuff is turbo-charged religion/spirituality/science/philosophy all wrapped up in a nice curry smelling blanket.
