How different are your political/philosophical/whatever views from the people around you...

How different are your political/philosophical/whatever views from the people around you? How radical are you in your social circles?

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>my family/social circle finally came around to accepting me as a libertarian
>I'm now a Strasserist national socialist

Wrong life cannot be lived rightly

If you have bourgeois friends, it is your job to be the local schizophrenic cosmonaut and enlighten them about capitalist accelerationist satanism

kys

i believe in the divine right of kings as the ultimate practical political ideology

you can guess at how well i fit in

My whole family are monarchists islamofascists.
I am a marxist hegelian left communist,religiously i took the Neo-mu'tazilismus approach

idk as a young university student most people I know are reasonably left wing. My mum is probably a centrist

I'm resigned to my role as a social bridge. I'm politically near the center right, but spend most political discussions as a mediator between far more totalitarian ideologies.

>tfw
fucking hate politics, if only because every discussion I have with someone quickly devolves into them trying to cast me as their opposite.
>well I suppose you think all hate crimes are made up, too!
>I guess college has turned you into a border-hating hippie!
>neither one related to the conversation at hand
At least I have more than one opposing viewpoint in my life, though. Which is apparently more than most people can say.

I'm in the military and I am the most nationalist person, when it come to foreign policy, that I know.

Sometimes. When I explain the loneliness of individual existences in the exterior world or that people cannot connect truly because of that they say that I am too depressing.

Schizoid

>live in cooperative housing
>people range from centre left to far left
>I'm an egoist but don't tell anyone
>pretend to sympathise with the left whenever asked
Leftists are just more fun desu.

I hate democracy as a system and everyone loves it, so that should explain most of it.
I believe in anarchism as an ideal, but I don't see how Democracy will take us there.

Dictatorships are also wrong in most cases and are too susceptible to abuse, Monarchies are plain dumb, Aristocratic/Oligarchic form of governments don't bring any good to the world but constant degeneration. I think that we need to regress out of the mega cities and live in small communities so that people can have better lives regarding the construction of their personality and more privacy. This small communities can have a democratic system though.
My biggest issue is that I don't know how to tackle the State, these small communities should create a bigger figure that coordinates them all, or war might be a constant fear. But creating this figure will eventually create a State again.

I know it wont happen and that everyone hates it, but idk, I think it would help the development of the average person.

Most people around me are slightly left of centre liberals.

I'm a radical Atheo-Khomeinist-Titoist.

I'm a liberal who resents almost all other liberals for allowing a racist pedophile Russian agent to become President of the United States.

Holy shit I thought the Veeky Forumsizens are commies thing was just a meme

i'm basically a socially/culturally conservative socialist. everyone i know is pretty much now a pussy centrist liberal, even my one good friend who used to be a conservative type.

among co-workers i only stick to talking economic issues, where i still sound mostly like a leftist. among friends i feel comfortable enough expressing my reactionary views about feminism, immigration, nationalism, etc, but even among my best friends i don't express my views on race and the JQ.

but the second one isn't a communist!

luckily I'm a communist so you've still got three

damn, you did a 180 degree turn

I have zero strong opinions on politics or stances. Usually whenever politics are brought up I don't say anything and if I do it's a permanent devil's advocate role. I feel you either know too much about philosophy to have any real power for change and therefore your knowledge functions as self betterment (or self serving) or you know too little and should keep quiet, or you're a politician and your knowledge of philosophy has no bearing on politics whatsoever. Does this make sense? Pretty pessimistic but I don't know enough

I had a friend like this until I took his girlfriend. He was a cuck.

You don't sound very nice.

This. I don't have near enough knowledge of this kind of stuff (I've read some situationist literature, Frankfurt School stuff, general textbooks, and early political theory but that's about it desu) so I just kind of lean out of the conversation if it comes up. If it's 1 on 1 I try and get them to explicate their views, only stating mine when specifically asked. You can even find some idiosyncracies among "milquetoast" liberals if you grill them hard enough.

I'm basically a contrarian with no defined ideology with a half-ironic distrust and dislike of Jewry and I'm casually racist. All my close friends and I have common dislikes which are enough to agree to disagree on the rest. With pretty much everyone else, I just don't discuss politics.

God works in mysterious ways. Joseph thought Mary became pregnant by way of the miracle called "immaculate conception". Spoiler alert Joseph was cucked.

I don't believe in god.

That's not what immaculate conception means.

Anti-totalitarian with some libertarian leaning

i dont have a gf or even a crush so im not too worried about it

I only discuss politics with my best friend. Never anyone else, because it's social suicide to voice any opinion which is contrary to the prevailing social-democratic groupthink in my country.

This exactly. Either I'm the perfect contrarian or somehow the left and right hate my reasonable, moderate stances.

I'm emotionally fragile so after a "debate" (me getting shit on), I have to go home and cry myself to sleep. I hate politics.

i like it

>Talking to my friend about Bernie Sanders
>Say I'm apprehensive about supporting him because I'm pro-life and that's very important to me.
>He's cool about it and doesn't press the issue
>His girlfriend is not cool about it, she goes nuts.
>Try to end the conversation there
>She''s not having it. Basically repeats a bunch of pro-choice slogans as if they're gospel truth in an extremely smug way
>Tops it off with a big speech about how I should keep my religion out of politics
>mfw I'm an atheist

It really hurts my feelings when people try and pick fights about politics.

What's the justification for being pro-life if you aren't religious though?

just tell them abortion is a eugenic practice that disproportionately impacts (fuck it say "targets") poc and the poor. run-of-the-mill progs will enter malfunction mode.

I am a hardcore Catholic to the point of supporting theocracy, or at least the supremacy of the Church in all affairs. I have also gradually grown to support a kind of meritocratic monarchy/aristocracy as the ideal form of government. Basically a concentrated state with a single supreme ruler, but not hereditary.

I go to grad school at a small Catholic university, so everyone there is about as religious as I am, though my political views may still be too radically reactionary for them. I'm surrounded by shitty Clinton-voting Democrats and shitty straight ticket Republicans outside of school, and I don't know what to do with either of them.

I think I'd also shock nearly everyone I know with the extent to which I put stock in the supernatural/paranormal, but that's another issue.

I'm a polite, silent person. Whenever I do talk people tend to listen. I don't push my views on anyone, I say whatever seems to be the case to me and most people are surprisingly open to that kind of that.

This is usually how they go

>UGH you support DRUMPH
Yeah... but not in the way you expect. Have you ever heard of accelerationism?
>uhhhh....
it's like, Trump was the stick that people unconsciously upset with the modern detach from naturalism got to strike the modern world with.
>... so why do you hate Mexicans?

Not him and not pro-choice but obviously because it can be seen as murder depending on when you declare something is a human.

Everyone has a right to life. If women don't want to get pregnant they should use one of the many available contraceptives.

If you knock someone up/get knocked up in 2017 it's your own fault and you shouldn't be able to just press reset by murdering a little fetus.

it's pretty disheartening how few people can conceive of politics outside of msnbc-fox news squabbling. even otherwise bright people instinctively fall back on these pre-established talking points and media narratives whenever discussing politics.

In my country abortions after 12 weeks is not allowed because it is seen scientifically as range at which the fetus has developed all its essential organs and could potentially survive outside the womb given proper care.

Seems like a decent line to draw if any.

I personally started to hate abortion because of all of the excuses people made to justify a lifestyle of irresponsible debauchery. It's fucking disgusting how abortion isn't even the last resort, but the contraception of choice, given the potential moral issues.

Still feel pro-choice, but I fucking hate degeneracy.

>accelerationism
I understand what you mean and still think it's dumb. But at least we can communicate.

I don't give a shit about fetuses but that line seems completely arbitrary to me. I mean in 100 years when "proper care" is perfected so humans can be incubated from conception, the 12 weeks line will be totally meaningless. I think the real question is "What is a person?", but I don't really care enough to spend the time thinking about it. Apathy desu.

>Everyone has a right to life

I don't see how natural rights exist without recourse to something supernatural.

There's a reason even the American Declaration of Independence mentions 'the creator' and natural rights in the same line.

>I don't give a shit about fetuses but that line seems completely arbitrary to me. I mean in 100 years when "proper care" is perfected so humans can be incubated from conception, the 12 weeks line will be totally meaningless.

Yeah, but we don't live in that society yet, so as a matter of pragmatic problem solving, it's not unreasonable.

>capitalist accelerationist satanism isn't communism
If communism is the next stage in societal evolution, or even just a self-fulfilling prophecy as it seems to me, then capitalist accelerationism is the only way to bring it about, and it's the only way it's presented itself in any country worth talking about. If you call yourself a communist while referring to "state capitalism" in a derogatory way, you are probably idealistic petty-bourgeois and #notmycomrade.
The satanism part is Just about breaking down Christian values. Pretty typically communist.

>arguing unironically about politics in a thread about people who argue about politics
Are none of you that self-aware, or is taking the slim possibility of changing a stranger's mind over the internet just that necessary to you

>changing a stranger's mind over the internet
If you actually think this is anyone's goal I've got a bridge to sell you.

i go to a hilariously liberal uni which is populated mostly by students who claim to be far left, and are in a near constant state of outrage. it's annoying because usually their issues are totally legitimate, but the impotence of their """"activism"""" reduces any possible real change resulting from their actions. i think the best theyve done is get the faculty to say black lives matter or something.

i'm the only person i know atm that still explicitly identifies as a communist. most of my peers are at least anti-capitalist, but clearly this will not last when they all become normie liberals in five years.

really, most of the "political discourse" i hear is either muh trump or whatever social justice issue everyday feminism told them to care about this week

>it's annoying because usually their issues are totally legitimate

Yeah, I'm sure. The most privileged people in the history of humanity have "issues" that are "legitimate".

>telling people to check their privilege compared to their ancestors
Spotted the alt-right YouTube commenter.

i guess. you're not wrong but idk, spikes in campus rapes seems to be something worth at least directing attention to.

>compared to their ancestors

Don't even have to do that. If you have the ability to go to college you're literally more privileged than 90% of the world population.

>All these unironic communists on muh lit
What's your fucking excuse?

They are over-educated middle-class Americans. What the fuck do you think?

College kids still think this is cool in 2017, for some reason. Same with atheism.

probably too stupid to have understood the Peterson pill, and the Bread pill.

Then you are not against it but against the misuse of it. Maybe you should have stated that clearer

Unlike the nu-Veeky Forums, old Veeky Forums actually reads. I swear it is like people don't know this is where Strinerposting and Zizekposting came from

I reject every attempt to systematize or rationalize. I reject the existence of systems or reason.

Every time I explain myself, people get very upset. Normally, my explanations involve sourcing the origins of their beliefs, which of course insults their ego because they think they came to such conclusions by themselves.
This also entails a rejection of science, of course, which people cannot conceive of considering I am using a computer. They also cannot conceive of somebody arguing against arguing.

I'll make it brief for you:
>user reads
>people around user don't read as much

>Normally, my explanations involve sourcing the origins of their beliefs, which of course insults their ego because they think they came to such conclusions by themselves.
This is, indeed, a great way to annoy most people. You can know if a person is intelligent by asking where their ideas come from. A dumb person will argue in favor of such ideas. A smart one will answer the question.

They absolutely don't, I have seen these babbies think Zizek is some sort of anti-SJW personality and Stirner is a right wing capitalist or some shit on this very board

communism is not a static ideology. saying i'm a communist in 2017 is not the same as saying i endorse some stupid old school marxist-leninism which clearly didn't work. capitalism has both caused muh millions of deaths and also has changed parts of its fundamental structure over time, much like any economic system

peterson is an absolute hack with an american public education-tier understanding of marxism. i find it hilarious that he claims to 'reject all forms of ideology' while simultaneously spouting literal cold war propaganda created by the state. yea of course the ussr was shit but that doesn't make 21st century capitalism any less of a disaster

>t. i read nietzsche and now i don't need to think anymore

Here are two videos of user talking about politics with illiterate, obedient, political theory- and action-free normalfags:
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youtube.com/watch?v=qfgnAU-6Tvo

pretty much 80% of people around me are in the center -of my country-, either social dem or conservative or basic nationalist, but i've quite a few "different" """friends""" as well (anarchist, libertarian, socialist etc).
I am myself an egoist so practically I avoid ideological leanings, but in discussions, mostly for discussion's sake but also because currently that's what i feel would fit me most, I defend libertarianism (minarchy to be exact)

>your pic
Adorno literally accused people of fascism for disagreeing with him about music. He deserves it.

Jazz is Western culture too

?? Senpai are you disagreeing with me? If you aren't then I would like to add that people also forgot that Randposting used to be bannable.

I blame hiro for making Veeky Forums &humanities

>he thinks Solzhenitsyn was a CIA prop

wew lad! those are some serious mental gymnastics!

i dont think people takes it lightly. it isnt like people just casually makes the decision to get an abortion. i havent heard of any cases of this where the people involved were totally flippant about it like you suggest

lol i don't defend the soviet union

what i do defend is the critique of modern capitalism, which due to intentional propaganda by the american state has become synonymous with totalitarianism, which is, to quote the sniff man, ideology at its purest.

the idea that the only alternative to the way things are currently functioning is totalitarianism is itself a totalitarian notion

Rationalization and systematization are not the only ways to think.

My dad is a conservative and everyone else around me are moderate liberals. I'm a post-left anarchist and don't typically discuss politics with anyone. If a political issue is brought up I tend to be more conciliatory than argumentative, mostly so that we don't remain on the subject for long.

I'm a radical contrarian

It varies. I'm a nationalist

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_nationalism

but my friends range from fascism to unbelievably liberal, all are fairly united by some level of patriotism though.

prior to about 2000 there was fuck all in the way of niggers here, now we are inundated with the cunts, so can probably walk up to anyone older than teenage and say "put those cunts back on the boat" and you'll be met with approval.

I was in a taxi the other night for example and driver, apropos of nothing, started explaining to me why he felt Hitler was right.

>born too late to be respected for blindly following orders from ignorant self-serving diddlers
>born too early to see tribal Christianity return to necessity in a post-apocalyptic smorgasbord of rape and cannibalism
>born at the right time to be an undeserving arrogant douchebag who wants to have the answer to life at 16 years of age, pissing off anyone with a semblance of rational thought
Keep on truckin, my dude.

agreeing m8
Wow I guess we should cut funding for every humanities department after this scathing critique which doesn't even have too much to do with the point the picture is trying to make anyway. It's not like Adorno was living in a country and time which was dealing with fascists anyway.

>Irish
>racist
>against immigration
welp, you gotta learn to love your chains one way or another, I guess

The Strassers were anti-Communist, though.

You went with the second worst thing instead of the literally worst thing.

Good job, I guess it is still an improvement.

Most of my friends are centrist, one is a self-proclaimed Stalinist who supports every regime that is anti-West and anti-liberal. Among his heroes are Pol Pot, Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, the Kims and Robert Mugabe. He's convinced that in one way or another they're all some kind of socialists. Recently he came out as an ISIS supporter (though he still wants Assad to stay in power and only wants them to establish a state in Iraq), I wonder how long it will take until he also embraces the Nazis.

its hard enough even finding someone with whom you can discuss these things at a meaningful level, never mind someone who you can agree with

Personally, I have only met a handful of like-minded people in my whole life with whom I could have honest discussion. I spoke to one for the first time in years the other day and it was like a weight off my shoulders to just be able to speak freely.

Honestly, cherish this connection if you ever encounter it

I see where you're coming from, but contraceptives aren't full proof, and I doubt many people have unprotected sex without broaching the possibility they might get pregnant. Over half of all unwanted pregnancies in the US result from contraceptive failure. Beside that, the punishment you propose- to incapacitate a woman and force her to bond emotionally with a child she has no feelings for- seems disproportionately cruel when such an easy fix is available.

because killing is morally inhuman. it is the same as asking the question: "why would you oppose murder if you're not religious". you're killing a child. either have save sex or deal with the consequences.

Natural rights are the only rights. Naturally we have the right to do anything.

Genuinely interested, have you ever studied economics? Nobody I know in my degree or holding one has identified as a Marxist.

>always been center-left
>events in the last 3 years made me shift to the right
>friends start attacking me for not being on the right team
>don't care

Econ classes rarely teach Marx. If they do its a watered down version of him to show "lol wasn't he silly - capitalism is great". Which is a shame given how influential a thinker he is.

I'm a lefty and i'm fine with it. My family is pretty normie but in college everyone shares pretty much the same opinion... except for one or two /pol/tards

Philosophically, pretty radical, but I hide my power level and when I do reveal it people often think I'm joking because I do like to say crazy shit as a joke sometimes. Politically I'm either uninterested, agnostic or relatively normie about most issues.

>How radical are you in your social circles?
I'm so radical I became a hermit.

I'm a theoarchist (anarchy based in christian values), I'm sure there's no one around me with such a view.

>marxist hegelian
Like an atheist theist, a materialist spiritualist and the ideal banal?

Read the Prison Archipelago. You're like that one woman who sees no error in the system that jailed her.

no, like someone who uses speakers as microphone

>yea of course the ussr was shit but that doesn't make 21st century capitalism any less of a disaster
Yeah, I guess the African starvation isn't great but that doesn't make burgers healthy.

So do you starve or do you eat burgers or do you start to make sense?
>ps. It's not a food analogy because I referenced African cuisine