If the brain is just a system of electrical and chemical processes that must obey the laws of nature then how can free...

If the brain is just a system of electrical and chemical processes that must obey the laws of nature then how can free will exist? If free will doesn't exist how can the government jail me for child pornography? Does anyone else see the injustice behind this?

>If free will doesn't exist how can the government jail me for child pornography? Does anyone else see the injustice behind this?
By not jailing you for “justice”, but for pragmatic reasons (letting the discussion whether CP should be legal away). To punish you for “justice” doesn't make sense wither way.

>wither
*either

Because we dont want people like you free in our society.

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Namefag get out.

will free from what?

predetermined action

This is always a dumb question.
What is free will?
The ability to make decisions that impact the path you take in life.
Yeah but you have to eat and stuff right?
Yes but you get to choose what you eat.
Some stuff you can not get away from.

You misunderstand the argument. People who argue to the absence of free will would say that all those decisions you're able to make to impact your path of life are an illusion. The choice you eventually make is already set.

>People who argue to the absence of free will would say that...
In other words: people with a brain in working order would say what you´ve just said.

Einstein and Schopenhauer were one of many prominent figures to openly address and recognize this lack of explicit moral accountability stemming from the - for all intents and purposes - predetermined nature of our will. The apple doesn´t fall far from the tree, as other moral philosophers would aply put it.

You sited two scientists, what do they know about philosophy? That's out of their discipline, any citation of them is likely a misuse of ethos.

They were smart guys don't get me wrong, but they don't have any idea about this domain.

The brain must follow physical law, but free will is not physical. It is a spiritual entity, which means you also can not run physical tests on it.

>You sited two scientists, what do they know about philosophy?
Schopenhauer did not practice any science.
>That's out of their discipline, any citation of them is likely a misuse of ethos. They were smart guys don't get me wrong, but they don't have any idea about this domain.
A thinking man is a thinking man. There exists no distinct "genius" for every branch of human reasoning.

You dont have free will but what you do have isn't deterministic. You have the ability to make the divinely wrong choice and more often than not, you will. Free will assumes you would be able to invent auxillary options unrelated to your choices, which is what never occurs. You are an antithesis to god, but a very very shit and non-threatening excuse for one.

Free will in not the same thing as omnipotence. You can be in a situation where there are limiting conditions to action but you are still able to act freely within those conditions. Assuming free will is valid of course.

forgot to give your (you)

>If free will doesn't exist
But it does.

>can free will exist?
If you eat red pill.
>If free will doesn't exist how can the government jail me for child pornography?
It jails per law, not per free will.

That's not free will.

Just a natural process selecting against something its deemed unfit for its purposes.

>math major
>300k starting
>any job I want

>just a system of electrical and chemical processes

Nigger how the fuck do you know?

It's the other way around: you can't have free will without determinism and natural processes.

Precisely.
Until we can solve the halting problem, I'd argue free will is a reasonable gap-filler for the human mind.

>If free will doesn't exist how can the government jail me for child pornography?
How can they not? They have no free will. :^)

Really though, prison isn't about punishment. It's about solving the problem.