>The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.
>The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough’s Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man’s origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population. theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals?CMP=fb_gu Opinions Veeky Forums? Inb4 /Pol/
How would they determine such a thing? Wouldn't most of the genetic material be damaged?
Parker Long
Absolute garbage study.
Dylan Miller
Brits confirmed non-white. I always knew those beady eyed fucks were hiding something.
Chase Powell
>"BobMlooga 5m ago >Yes... so basically all this proves is what we sort of knew all along... white skin came over time as we adapted to a less stronger sun and needed to take in more vitamin D. We already knew the first homo sapiens in Europe had dark skin... I more interested that he had blue eyes... why did we develop these?"
But guess which post the Guardian liked
>Guardian Pick >Everyone in this country is either an immigrant or the descendent of an immigrant. There is no such thing as a "british" human. We all came from Africa and arrived here at different times. Once we realise this then maybe we could try being nice to each other. >finbaar
Fuck you, Guardian and fuck your politicization of science.
Lucas Stewart
White skin is from prehistoric middle easterners and siberians that colonised europe during neolithic and bronze age.
wow its almost like our species evolved in a UV intense environment or something.
Andrew Cook
it's not politicization, it's looking at a deeper level
Owen Murphy
ITT: /pol/ morons that do not understand genetics or human evolution and only care about skin color and politics.
Robert Garcia
>People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population. Heh
Nathaniel Garcia
Yes, everyone came from Africa originally.
Camden Myers
The color change was thought to occur much sooner. Humans left Africa 70,000 years ago and got to the British isles 30,000 years ago. They were still black 10,000 years ago. Pretty cool. Maybe the skin color change wasn't entirely climate-related.
Aaron Anderson
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Bentley Morgan
Has anyone got a link to the actual study/paper?
Carson Williams
Nothing new, all indigenous Paleolithic Europeans had darker skin. They were not literally black though.
>are descendants of this population This is a really terrible way of putting it. All Europeans are descendants of the Neanderthal/CM peoples and more progressive Mediterraneans from Neolithic times. Once again, nothing new.
When will this theory stop getting thrown around.
Elijah Cooper
>When will this theory stop getting thrown around. Maybe when there's evidence to suggest otherwise?
Luis Ortiz
Explains the public housing and retard tier politics
Ethan Cooper
"Cutting-edge DNA and facial reconstruction techniques revealed in February 2017 that there was a 76 per cent chance that Cheddar Man's skin was ‘dark to black’ by modern standards."
Jeremiah Green
So are you telling me all the niggers living in europe and usa are gonna turn white in a few thousand of years even if they don't mix?
Lucas Ramirez
Most interesting post itt.
Ryder Ramirez
No, but if they do mix they will. Skin reflectance is additive.
Hudson Torres
Hopefully we will look back at 2010s as a time of social retardation when we could read horseshit like this.
Henry Brown
This lmfao. It is blatantly obvious that this article is 20% science and 80% propaganda.
Mason White
the deeper level is anti-intellectualism
i'm not sure how something could be more political
Anthony Roberts
Nobody is lied to by the establishment more than the British people. They've been owned the longest by the Rothschilds. There's a reason they have that backwards leftist programming; Britain is ground zero for NWO shit. It doesn't surprise me even a little that WE WUZ EUROPEANS, and they're going to eat that shit up right alongside the Sunday BBC special where Queen Elizabeth takes a series of swarthy foreign men into her private chambers and the new series where Joan of Arc is played by a sassy black muslim lady. I don't believe for a minute this new "information" is meant to do anything except make Britons roll over and give their sisters and daughters to Achmed.
Charles Wilson
Guys, there is clearly no agenda here.
>Dr Yoan Dieckmann, from University College London, who took part in the project, said: “The historical perspective that you get just tells you that things change, things are in flux, and what may seem as a cemented truth that people who feel British should have white skin, through time is not at all something that is an immutable truth. It has always changed and will change.”
Absolutely none at all.
Aiden Green
>(((Dieckmann))) Imagine having the blinders on so tightly you refuse to acknowledge such an obvious pattern. Throughout history, /pol/ and Veeky Forums have been inextricably linked because those who do the Veeky Forums need the support of those in power, because their work tends to not have immediate tangible benefits of the kind that puts food in your mouth. Those in power want to stay in power, and so they will always tend to repress any science that threatens their hold on it, and promote public opinions that strengthen them, even if it's only a relative strengthening by way of weakening the people they control. I'm reminded of the church's treatment of people who had the gall to suggest Earth wasn't the center of the solar system, as an extreme example.
Nolan Thompson
Wow, surely this man has European forebears. Totally Germanic phenotype with no agenda to undermine his host nation whatsoever.
Elijah Perry
>So are you telling me all the niggers living in europe and usa are gonna turn white Even most radical political doctrine can't change fact that they have different DNA admixture and no Neanderthal genes. Basically sub-Saharan africans mixed with unknown hominid. This isn't some racist conspiracy theory, you can find this in every work about DNA history of humans.Of course nobody says this very loud for obvious reasons.
Christian Garcia
>> that people who feel British should have white skin Meh, the differences between ethnic groups are far wider than just skin colour, even when it comes to just body shape. Sub-Saharan Africans that are albino don't look like Europeans.
Julian Harris
I can see why they didn't pick that first one. Blue eyes are the natural state for every persons eyes when all melanin is gone. Colors other than brown and blue occur as a result of different levels and kinds of melanin manifesting, and it's why we see more green eyes in the swarthy parts of Europe and more Blue eyes further north. So the first humans in Britain having blue eyes is no surprise considering that we are rolling with the idea that they lost the need for melanin as they traveled north.
A better question however would be how their eyes went totally blue while their skin stayed dark. Why would they lose eye pigment before skin pigment while heading north?
Nolan Williams
>all people descend from blacks >still called racist even though my great grandpapy^20 power was black.
Logan Wood
The blue eyes has been traced back to one common ancestor roughly 10,000 years ago. Pretty sure it was a female, so she was most likely a trophy wife of the most successful warlord, who had a lot of blue eyed children who were able to stay in power and not be wiped out because they were so easily differentiated from everyone else.
Anthony Scott
it is a pretty well known fact that fair skin mutation is very recent, came even later than blue eyes mutation. But you had to use this chance to racebait, didn't you faggot OP?
Dylan Diaz
Your great grandpappy^20 was a chain of nucleotides encased in oil
Jonathan Allen
>pretty well known fact that fair skin mutation is very recent citation needed
I don't think the OP was racebait other than the fact it's posted here at all. It's a new "science" article, we should discuss it. OP's only wrong was inb4ing, because OP can't inb4.
Jason Rodriguez
underrated post
I like how the article rules out common ancestry with the nasty nasty cannibals who lived there before, the noble smiling brown man brings only peace and prosperity to Britain.
John Sullivan
So Veeky Forums let me get this straight, Ice man Otzi was white, 4K years separate him and this cheddar man, and in that time an entire population just changed skin colour? I don't buy it.
Wyatt Ward
Not only one unknown hominid, but many. Africa was a clusterfuck when in comes to hominids. It is a very huge place divided by many natural borders. Even Africans themselves don't look remotely similar to each other.
Jonathan Powell
The bust of Smiling Cheese Man and the reconstruction of Otzi were made by the same people.
Carson Perry
Except there was no propaganda to push during Otzi's reconstruction.
James Jones
The people who made the busts are forensic reconstructors not geneticists.
Carson Jackson
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Anthony Baker
>DNA from preserved mummies proves Egyptians were white Racist and wrong >DNA from ancient, weathered bones suggests that old Europeans could be black WE
Jackson Lopez
>first people who came out of Arfica weren't white when they came out of Africa Wow, grundbreaking What the fuck did you expect?
Mason Reyes
>Totally different species of primary have different skin color, therefore humans didn't develop different skin color Fucking hell /pol/ is retarded.
Mason Barnes
This. It's well established that early Europeans had dark skin and later migrations from the middle east etc. brought over white skin.
Daniel Cox
Those primates are covered in fur so I'm not so sure if it is analogous to humans.
John Martin
The dark skin was most likely the same as arabs there is no way in fuck something with negro colored skin existed in Europe.
Oliver Sanders
>4K >I don't buy it. Why is that not a lot of time?
Juan Lee
Can someone explain how that makes this all fake?
Isaac Cox
Does it really matter if it was or wasn't? People will just spin it towards propaganda like they did with Nefertiti when they didn't like the results.
Robert Edwards
Oh wow, it's almost as if there were some kinds of population migrations of anatolian farmers and aryan pastoralists who now make up the bulk of european ancestry.
Camden Allen
Fake news Just like Nefertiti
Aiden Reyes
>Misrepresenting facts using a garbage study and cherry picking comments
That is the absolute fucking definition of politicising science you cunt.
Hunter Wright
I think it all stems from race denial. Race denial has people thinking that different ethnic groups have inhabited the exact same piece of land forever, because you're not allowed to think of ethnic groups as a coherent entity with a history (including migration history).
Nicholas Ortiz
>groundbreaking >1 specimen
Aaron Sullivan
Ok, time for a game of "Spot the inbred hillbillies".
Not all of these people are recognizable as black-albino and so your argument is invalid.
Elijah Ortiz
I think you mean "We wuz niggaz n shit kingz"
Dylan Collins
>no Neanderthal genes. Neanderthals were significantly less developed than west africans so I'm not sure where the "racist" angle is coming from at all
Christopher Morris
Yeah, it must have been the token black guy.
Jackson Campbell
Great, now the exact inverse is happening itt
Mason James
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Jackson Kelly
we wuz nucleic acids an shiet
Asher Russell
ehh >There was no link with other skeletons from Gough's Cave, which are 5,000 years older, but about 10% of people with British ancestry are linked genetically to the Western Hunter Gatherer population to which the Cheddar Man belonged.[10] and the rest derive from more recent Middle Eastern (EEG) and Indo-European (ANE) contributions.
Owen Collins
>Not all of these people are recognizable as black-albino and so your argument is invalid. They kind of are, idiot.
Brayden Ross
This is true.
But also, I read something about how there was no surviving proof that he was so dark, only that he lacked genes associated with light skin today. It would be far more believable, given that there are much older skeletons found in different places outside east Africa, that non-black skin would have existed in this population.
Isaac Fisher
Not for that kind of change no.
Kayden Brown
The fact that early Europeans had light eyes and dark skin is not even new. Light skin is believed to be an adaption to an agricultural diet's lack of vitamin D
>Pigmentation genes carried by the hunters and farmers showed that, while the dark hair, brown eyes and pale skin of the early farmer would look familiar to us, the hunter-gatherers would stand out if we saw them on a street today.
>"It really does look like the indigenous West European hunter gatherers had this striking combination of dark skin and blue eyes that doesn't exist any more," Prof Reich told BBC News.
>Dr Carles Lalueza-Fox, from the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC - UPF) in Barcelona, Spain, who was not involved with the research, told BBC News: "If you look at all the reconstructions of Mesolithic people on the internet, they are always depicted as fair skinned. And the farmers are sometimes depicted as dark-skinned newcomers to Europe. This shows the opposite."
>So where did fair pigmentation in present-day Europeans come from? The farmer seems to be on her way there, carrying a gene variant for light skin that's still around today.
>"There's an evolutionary argument about this - that light skin in Europe is biologically advantageous for people who farm, because you need to make vitamin D," said David Reich.
>"Hunters and gatherers get vitamin D through their food - because animals have a lot of it. But once you're farming, you don't get a lot of it, and once you switch to agriculture, there's strong natural selection to lighten your skin so that when it's hit by sunlight you can synthesise vitamin D."
Jeremiah Taylor
Why not? What they claim at this point is he's only related to a minority of brits today. The majority of lighter skinned groups could've taken over
Nolan Long
Black people visibly have differences in skin color between single generations. 4K years is probably enough time for a skin color change, especially if the group continued to breed the lighter ones among themselves instead of the darker ones. Idk why everyone always acts like it would take so long to force a change on a species like us when we literally practice selective breeding and warmongering. You literally just force a lot of inbreeding to create a larger pool of the desired recessive trait you want to see and then kill off all the others who don't carry that trait via tribal warfare. Rinse and repeat. As a result, all the future humans don't quite resemble the people who may have lived a few generations back, but you can bet your ass they're still related.
Lucas Williams
idiotic bullshit. 1. diekmann is most common in north germany, not a jewish name. yoan is most common in france.not a jewish name.
2. people were non/less white in the past -> fact it changed in the past -> fact it could change again -> fact
there is no agenda here. what the media is doing with such information is not the responsability of the scientist involved in analysing data.