Why are antivaxxers so hated compared to proponents of other theories...

Why are antivaxxers so hated compared to proponents of other theories? On placedl ike Reddit pedophiles are literally more liked than them.

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Most of the other theories are less detrimental to those around the person who believes them. What physical harm is there from being near a flat-earther? Anti-vaxxers, though, can reintroduce illnesses into communities that shouldn't have them present. Vaccines are extremely effective if we all have them because then we have a harder time contracting the illness and getting others sick. However, if you introduce a weak link in a community (school) then you've given the illness an easier vector to target us with. Whooping cough was almost unheard of in america for well over a decade, then some dipshits in Boulder, Cl decided not to vaccinate their kids and suddenly there's whooping cough everywhere.

Long story short, because leftism.

>Anti-vaxxers, though, can reintroduce illnesses into communities that shouldn't have them present.
That's not how that works. If you are relying on herd immunity, then your arguments lose all weight because herd immunity only serves to protect those who are not immune. So your argument boils down to "non-vaccinated people have an increased probability of sickness if there are enough non-vaccinated people".
Immigration and armadillos are the only things that (re-)introduce diseases to communities.

>Vaccines are extremely effective if we all have them because then we have a harder time contracting the illness and getting others sick.
Yes, people who have been vaccinated are less likely to contract a disease. See above about herd immunity.

>Whooping cough was almost unheard of in america for well over a decade, then some dipshits in Boulder, Cl decided not to vaccinate their kids and suddenly there's whooping cough everywhere.
Are you not familiar with the nation to the south of us? Are you seriously that naive/stupid/blind?

>implying the disease leaves forever with vaccination
viruses mutate, immigration and armadillos (?) aren't the only things that introduce new viruses

>herd immunity only serves to protect those who are not immune.
Herd immunity protects everyone retard.
>community of 10,000 people, some of whom have disease A
>everyone gets vaccinated, disease A no longer has any hosts, dies out.

>Community of 10,000 people, some of whom have disease B
>9500 people get vaccinated, 500 don't.
>disease B infects and reinfects the unvaccinated 500
>eventually develops resistance to the vaccine
>10,000 people at risk again because 500 fags believed Jenny McCarthy

>Why are antivaxxers so hated compared to proponents of other theories?

Proponents of most other silly theories are not trying to convince people to kill other people's children.

>Immigration and armadillos are the only things that (re-)introduce diseases to communities.
Go home, /pol/, nobody cares to hear about your pseudoscience.

>armadillos (?)
Undercooked armadillo and foreigners are the source of new leprosy cases in America.

>nobody cares to hear about your pseudoscience.
... Mexico has whooping cough. America does not have whooping cough. Americans that contract whooping cough come into contact with non-americans who have whooping cough.
That's how disease vectors work.

If only that were relevant to our discussion on people not getting vaccines.

but even without Mexico, that's not the only issue.

So you're telling me that if we walled off the rest of the world, we'd be fine without any vaccines? I want to make sure I understand exactly what you're trying to say.

Ever wonder why you don't get leprosy vaccines? Because leprosy isn't an issue in America.
A lack of vaccination isn't what reintroduces diseases.

>So you're telling me that if we walled off the rest of the world, we'd be fine without any vaccines?
Provided we eliminated the disease among ourselves and all known sources, yes.

>viruses mutate
If you vaccinate, they won't have the opportunity to mutate IN humans.
A vaccine isn't like an antibiotic, there's no resistance that builds up. It's just giving your body a chance to already have its own defenses in place that prevent the virus from taking hold. It doesn't even need to be the same virus to be effective. Jenner figured out that inoculating someone with cow pox prevents them from getting small pox. And now you have to literally travel to the ass end of the planet and try as hard as you can to catch it now.
Vaccination has proven over and over again to be SUPER effective. Who was the last person you knew who had fucking measels? Or the mumps? Polio? Those are all things that my parents and grandparents had to deal with, and its literally ancient history for everyone from my generation and younger.

We don't have leprosy vaccines because it's not particularly contagious. We vaccinate for things that spread easily (Measles, mumps, rubella, flu, whooping cough, etc.) Simply put, the reason that leprosy isn't a problem in america anymore, is because most people have access to a hospital where prolonged exposure to infected individuals doesn't happen and sanitation is one of the biggest rules.

What you're suggesting is
1)economically disastrous, to cut ties with the rest of the world to such a substantial degree
2)Nearly fucking impossible to execute because you'd have to eradicate literally every vector for all of these illnesses.
Maybe instead of that we should have a few idiots put their big boy pants on and get their shots.

>1)economically disastrous, to cut ties with the rest of the world to such a substantial degree
The movement of people is not the same thing as trade. America is sufficiently large and developed that we have no want or need to import people. There would be no real impact.
And if you were so inclined, you could screen, quarantine, and sterilize immigrants.

>Nearly fucking impossible to execute because you'd have to eradicate literally every vector for all of these illnesses.
It would certainly be a large task, but we could feasibly eliminate everything that birds don't carry or is contracted through the foot within a few decades. An ounce of cure is better than a pound of treatment.

>Maybe instead of that we should have a few idiots put their big boy pants on and get their shots.
That is certainly a moderately viable stopgap measure.

>Long story short, because leftism.
I'm a leftie and you're wrong.

Why don't you just live in a clean room and only go outside in a space suit user.

Because I don't want to.

Because parents don't like the thought of the,m fucking up so bad that they were part of the problem that caused their child's autism or other ills from vaccs.

But is it worth the investment? Is such an expensive enormous investment into something that is already done by something we already have readily available really worth doing? Especially considering the fact that bacteria and viruses that cause illnesses can just mutate from other, harmless versions of themselves? The undertaking would literally never be complete unless all life on earth was exterminated.

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>But is it worth the investment?
Probably not, but short of killing all non-whites and degenerates, how else do you propose we eliminate the more threatening/annoying diseases?

>The undertaking would literally never be complete unless all life on earth was exterminated.
You can do it progressively by enclosing and purifying a region, and then enclosing an adjacent region and purifying, and continuing. You only need to go a couple dozen feet up and a dozen or two down.

>sovereignty ends at the national level
Sure thing commie.

>how else do you propose we eliminate the more threatening/annoying diseases?
Probably the same way that we eliminated small pox.

How are they killing anybody, exactly?

>Because leftism
No retard, anti vaxing can kill.
>Doesn't understand how herd immunity works

>All this bullshit
Fuck off /pol/.

Antivaxxers are hated because they are actively killing people with their stupidity. You are allowing once eradicated diseases to spread and killing people with comprised immune systems who likely did nothing to deserve a slow painful death.

youtube.com/watch?v=HplGfFlf-fE

youtube.com/watch?v=zncuOv9VBxw

CDC Whistleblower (Manipulation of Vaccine data) theinvertedtower.deviantart.com/art/CDC-Whistleblower-Manipulation-of-Vaccine-data-538664782

Adverse living conditions such as poor nutrition and lack of sanitation, were largely responsible for the epidemics of Smallpox. There are many facts that are obscured from public view. This is due to how much influence the pharmaceutical industry has, as their production and peoples use of Vaccines are a major source of income.

scribd.com/doc/220807175/144-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link

Because they actively threaten the lives of people.

>Who was the last person you knew who had fucking measels?
Still hear about the occasional measles outbreak.
Fucking polio, though. I'm glad we don't have to worry about that shit (if properly immunized),
The first antivaxer whose kid gets a bad case of polio will probably kill themselves.

>>On placedl ike Reddit pedophiles are literally more liked than them

That's because arguably antivaxxers pose a greater long term risk to children

So do sluts, homosexuals and IV drug users. Far more than antivaxxers.

>The first antivaxer whose kid gets a bad case of polio will probably kill themselves.
Funny. NIck Catone was a vaxxer and lost his some to a vaccine. Yet he did not kill himself, nor is death wished upon him for letting doctors kill his child.

Because he was a vaxxer. What's your point?
Vaxxing doesn't make your child invulnerable. No one ever claimed it does. There's a multitude of ways a person can die that don't even link to diseases but the vaccinations are for diseases.

vaccines are generally for a couple strains of virus like influenza but there may be more than those couple strains of the virus and they may not be hazardous
Even if everyone got vaccinated one of those harmless strains could just mutate into a dangerous virus

You just suggested a hypothetical situation to user and then called it stupid. Are you fucking retarded, dude?

By the way, humans are almost universally the most effective disease vector for other humans

You're basically right but influenza is a bit of an odd ball in the rate at which it mutates.

The thing is that vaccinations don't actually lead to virus mutating the same way things like antibiotics do. Vaccines prepare your immune system to fight the disease while antibiotics actually fight it.

So you might have a disease and some of the germs may have mutated to be immune to the antibiotics, so when you take the antibiotics it kills of the ones that aren't immune and then you infect someone else with the ones that are immune.

Whereas if you are vaccinated your body generally fights off the disease before it has a chance to replicate greatly and mutate in your body, and even then it would have to mutate in such a way that the antibodies don't recognize it as the same disease.
Anyway, it's your immune system that is doing the work, not the vaccination and it's better than throwing antibiotics at everything.

If flu shots and polio vaccine had just a little bit of differentiation perhaps there'd be more understanding. I don't get flu shots and I don't plan on it and I didn't get shots before college but I did get shots when I was a kid so fuck you bitch

>How are they killing anybody, exactly?

Here's how anti-vaccers try to murder people's children in droves:

>Convince parents not to vaccinate their baby on the grounds that there is an uncorroborated theory going around that vaccinations, not your genes, cause your baby to be born retarded.
>Baby survives infancy without getting major disease
>Baby is now toddler
>Somehow STILL makes it
>Toddler is now child
>Child contracts disease, symptoms minor in early stages
>Child taken to Dineyworl/school/public place
>Child exposes other children to disease/diseases it has, that other children have been vaccinated for
>These vaccinated children are not completely immune, just resistant
>Child that has been incubating disease spreads and infects all other children it is exposed to
>Children all get disease
>Without proper and prompt medical treatment, they are almost guaranteed to die
>Many, even with successful medical treatment, will be maimed for life in some way

Worst case in recent memory was an outbreak of the Measles, 88 cases that then further spread the disease back to their home towns. Anti-vaccers should be shot, without question.

It seems no one is bothering to view the videos, even if its for 1 minute. I'm not entirely opposed to vaccines. For example, the Rabies vaccine seems to be effective but like in the 9th paragraph of ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC98916/ where it says "The questions must surely arise how and why this organism changes from a relatively harmless commensal into an agent of infection." the antigenic drift creates new strains of the virus.

Once people accept a certain opinion, they reject all counter arguments. So instead, look at it this way. What if the first information you were given on this subject, was in opposition to vaccines? Would you have any reason to branch out and look at opposing sources which you value now? If so, then would you care to have a peak at the videos I included, however so brief?

P.S.
Use images you lazy fucks!