Feminist Literature

If their were no difference between men or women or women could be men if they just performed that way and vice versa then how come men have created civilization while women have contributed with nothing but idleness, manipulation, worthlessness and inferiority in all respect despite how they are allegedly equal to men as the liberals claim is true, well let's face it and get it out in the open theirs simply no way that this makes sense when you see who have created literature, great art, made inventions and brought us to the moon and invented medicine and the nuclear bomb, they've all been men and what have women contributed besides opened their legs mackarel reeking cunts, absolutely nothing.

I suggest you pick up Schopenhauers on Women

it almost sounds like you're building the perfect strawman for feminists to argue against
I wonder if that's deliberate :^)

When I was young and pure I raped a feminist. Her boyfriend didn't stop me because he believed in sexual liberation. Good old times, man.

My facts > your feelings
Why do leftists like you always try your armchair psychology when you cant refute something?

yes

Because pathologizing your opponent gives you power in the conversation, and everything they do comes down to power.

lol

>scientific facts are bait because my ideology goes against them!

>sex and gender are the same

gender doesnt equal sex

>gender is not something made up by post modern sociologists

Correct

In any meaningful sense, yes. I understand it's necessary for the advancement of the feminist agenda, but we shouldn't affirm blatant falsehoods because it's convenient to the enemies of all decent people.

Only ideologues use this meme distinction.
>your biological structure is 1000% unrelated to your social roles because I said so!!!!
lol

for all the "sex doesn't equal gender", it still holds that trannies didn't create anything great either, so what's your point?

>IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY BRO *tips tinfoil hat*

>our biological structure is 1000% unrelated to your social roles because I said so!!!!
I never said that. However, gender and sex are not the same

They, like women, are inferior to the white man

I think someone here got cucked.

>trannies didn't create anything great eithe
what about The Matrix?

>I never said that.
obviously you didn't because you lack the balls to do so, but such distinction only makes sense if you presuppose that

>such distinction only makes sense if you presuppose that
Wrong

meh, that tranny chick who did hooked on bach is probably better, but i'm not talking about dudes who created work as males and then had their balls chopped off after they were set financially, i mean ppl who've been on hormones since they were 12 or something

Assuming you dont browse /pol/, its kinda depressing that supposedly well-read posters here are capable of having beliefs this stupid.

>>IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY BRO *tips tinfoil hat*
It's less a conspiracy and more an example of the symbiotic relationship between the bourgeois and the intellectual caste. Both are the enemies of all decent people.

that's sexist please don't use mean words here

>hooked on bach
switched on bach my bad

>i mean ppl who've been on hormones
well, trannies only make up a tiny demographic and hrt hasn't existed for that long. don't you think it's a bit unfair to compare them against millenia of male achievements?

>BIOLOGY IS JUST A CONSPIRACY USED BY """MEN""" AGAINST """WOMEN"""" *tips blue hair*

Nobody is denying biology or the influence of genetics on behavior. You assuming that from my posts makes me question your reading comprehension or motivation (is it a deliberate strawman?)

>well, trannies only make up a tiny demographic and hrt hasn't existed for that long.

and that is exactly why it's disingenuous to bring up the "but muh gender" when someone talks about sex

>Nobody is denying biology or the influence of genetics on behavior.
Wrong

Read Man and His Symbols by Carl Jung.

nice fascistic dichotomy. Who are all the "decent people"?

you sure BTFO'd that fascist scum, bro
He says there are decent people, but like, what if it's all relative????
great job my comrade

the ones in my head, you gay retard.

White heterosexual males who major in STEM and follow sports

OP here.

This isn't /pol/. Please keep it literature related

It is literally a fascistic, populist dichotomy no different from when Trump claims to speak for "real Americans" or Farage claims that Brexit was a victory for "the real people", though. Select an enemy, and then create a false impression of unanimous opposition. This sort of stuff is rife across all political ideologies, of course, but it's a telltale characteristic of fascism.

I bet about 90% of people didn't read anything from her so why don't you summarize what she has o say in 3 sentences or less. Yes, people here are lazy and don't want to put in the work but you made this thread to start a conversation so you have to put in the work too.

But the discussion in this thread is as serious as feminism. Why are you complaining?

>"muh gender"
everyone has masculine and feminine traits, that's what gender refers to. the only people who get triggered by this are boring retards and closet homos.

Those groups of poor and working class people who have not been propped up by both the bourgeois and intellectual caste in order to create the antognism required for the reproduction of society.

people would be likely to read here if she didn't write like some asspained european in translation, can't help but feel she's larping hegel

but again you're being disingenuous, alan turing had the "feminine trait" of liking to suck big fat dicks, but he wasn't "female", he was all man baby, you can't say women are oppressed but then say men have female traits so women are really just unsuccessful men, it just doesn't hold up, eventually this era will be a joke

>everyone has masculine and feminine traits, that's what gender refers to
how do you define which trait is masculine or feminine?

you can't, that's why gender is spooky stuff.

>men
dicks that shoot sperm
>women
pussies that shoot babies

>what about the men and women who dont
don't let the outliers dictate the norm

>you can't
why?

You defined "men" and "women", not "masculine" and "feminine". And that user clearly implied they are not the same.

what do you mean why? Do you have some apriori knowledge of what constitutes masculinity and femininity?

what? is that your masculine vagina speaking?
>triggered

Given that you claimed that everybody has masculine and feminine traits, you are the one who is supposed to have such knowledge.

big ass beards = masculine
skinny with big tits = feminine

Butler can suck my clit

If masculine and feminine are biological, then there's no need use the word "gender".

Well, then I'm assuming you mean traits.

Men like things
Women like relationships

There was a study with this using baby chimps playing with dolls or cars based on gender.

youtube.com/watch?v=QOJaVL7N4G4

it's referring to character traits you closet faggot.
nobody says someone is masculine just because they have a penis or feminine just because they have a vagina.

Cause people don't have enemies. The "nuance" touted by the left serves no other purpose than to have their opposition disband their armies mid- battle.

yeah but if you inject a girl with enough test she'll grow a beard, and if you give a guy enough hrt he might sprout little tits...oh, so if you give someone the chemicals that those sexes produce naturally they become that gender...but let me ask, how many women go on test and then wear a dress? no they put on jeans and popped collar polo shirt and try to act like a charicature of a man, and men who get fake tits don't put on a tux, they put on a barbie bimbo outfit and larp as a slutty chick from a rap video...transgenderism is larping, which was fine when it was ppl cross dressing at gay clubs etc. but when ppl starting going on hormones and trying to permalarp this gets weird because now it's not just your bros at the mlp convention but like your classmates, boss, clients, etc.

>Men like things
>Women like relationships

honest q no troll

does testosterone like things and estrogen likes relationships? or is it built into the chromosones so even if a kid has his balls chopped off because he watched too many pornos he will still like things more than relationships?

yes on both

>Men don't like relationships
>Women don't like things
WRONG
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set up a better strawman

oh in that case can you tell feminists to please stop telling men how they lack "emotional intelligence" etc.

Exposure to those chemicals in those quantities changes alters then physically to the point in which they behave those ways.

>it's a strawman when i'm confronted by my own stupidity
have you spoken to a female that wasn't your mother?

BTW, gender trait differences developed as soon as males began inserting their cocks into females. ie men were the ones who went out searching and women were stationary or passive.

Evolutionarily, specifically with female humans had to be more selective with who they bred with. At the same time, men wanted to breed with a woman at all (most men did not get to breed, you have twice as many female ancestors as male). A trait that develops is that women take less risks while men take more.

youtube.com/watch?v=mzdqyXtPbbE&list=PLE60A08636F41C128

yes, that's right, the chemicals are making them biologically that sex

>scientists establish facts

found the 20 yo liberal. ever heard of empiricism ?

Didn't say just because men have a proclivity to things that they dislike relationships.

You literally setup a strawman.

>have you spoken to a female that wasn't your mother?
>arguing we should believe sexes are the same
>virgin shames a male

nice

I'll make it even easier for you. Scandinavian countries have the most egalitarian societies and women's rights programs help women get into stem fields. With all that fairness, the difference between female and male occupations differs even more than the US.

>Women like relationships
More women are family doctors vs surgeons
More women are veterinarians (a long ago male dominated field)
More women are therapists and psychiatrists (long ago male dominated)

Have you read The History of Sexuality Vol 1 by Foucault? If you liked Gender Trouble, you'll love it.

De Beauvoir is good. Butler is good. Butler is influenced by De Beauvoir. Have you ever read Butler? Third wave feminism is similar to second wave feminism, but with an emphasis on intersectionality. As a second wave feminist (which is what I'm assuming you are), what is your issue with this?

Too lazy to quote all the /pol/tards in here but I'll try to dumb this down as much as possible.-

sex = biological (e.g. has a penis and facial hair)
gender = cultural (e.g. drives a pickup truck and watches football)

This isn't up for "debate". This is actually what a typical (non-braindead) pedestrian believes. The distinction simply arises based on the way both concepts are defined and delimited. The argument presented in Butler's book is actually much more radical. In fact, she argues against this distinction. Gonna quote from wikipedia here because the article is pretty decent-

>She challenges her readers' assumptions about the distinction often made between sex and gender, according to which sex is biological while gender is culturally constructed.[...] The distinction proves false. Sexed bodies cannot signify without gender, and the apparent existence of sex prior to discourse and cultural imposition is merely an effect of the functioning of gender. That is, both sex and gender are constructed.

Try actually attempting some literature from the other side before shitting up another decent thread with your half-baked redpill "critique". I am so sick of /pol/ ruining this entire fucking website. Having the same understanding of gender & sexuality as a man from the 1940s isn't "edgy".

>gender = cultural (e.g. drives a pickup truck and watches football)

so you're saying if a chick drives a pickup truck she's now transgender, spare me dude

do u notice something about those toys? it's not just color...the blue side has "things" the pink side has "personalities", women aren't less successful than men for the last 5000 years because the toy aisle at walmart has pink dolls

Actually I'm not saying that. I think gender is fluid (and arbitrary). If this isn't bait, you're honestly just too dumb or uninformed to discuss this topic, sorry.

I wouldn't disparage the "/pol/" side of the argument because it has merits. Mainly, people are disputing the claims that gender is a social construct and that even that has a BIOLOGICAL basis.

it just means she'd be considered masculine in that culture. you're just projecting your own insecurity as all closet homosexuals do.

Then you're being a hypocrite because there are salient arguments against gender fluidity.

maybe you're mistaking class for gender, a common mistake, i grew up in a rural town (with an elite university, don't try to hill billy shame me, nerd), all the girls who lived in my neighborhood shoveled cowshit and rode horses and drove trucks when they were old enough...but eventually some developer made some mcmansions up the road which filled up with people who drove european sedans and played videos games instead of going outside etc. it's easy, especially for people with marxist leanings, to show this is some kind of "degeneracy" because the males are "effeminate" but it's just a class distinction, it's not gender

>Drives pickup truck
implies physical labor
>watches football
implies interest in violent physical competition

how is this cultural?

>anyone who doesn't agree with me is a closet homosexual!

well i'm convinced then! good argument!

>Mainly, people are disputing the claims that gender is a social construct and that even that has a BIOLOGICAL basis.
This. Most feminists take this for granted

what about those kings of the closet homosexuals: motorcycle clubs, is there anything more manly than a fat hairy dude covered in leather gear driving a harley? and could anything be more gay?

seems like you might have a problem with homophobia since calling people "closet homosexuals" is your favorite insult

c-can i

That photo definitely has some Gender Trouble

Rollo Tomassi

>Read de Beauvoir

>This isn't up for "debate". This is actually what a typical (non-braindead) pedestrian believes.
Most people outside of academia have no idea about the distinction. Most people believe the two terms are interchangeable. If that weren't the case, there wldn't be a large-scale propaganda effort to convince them otherwise. That first sentence also shows your true colors nice showing of power, Mr. academic.

>Try actually attempting some literature from the other side before shitting up another decent thread with your half-baked redpill "critique". I am so sick of /pol/ ruining this entire fucking website.
Even the worst conceivable critue is leagues ahead of the blatant lies spewed by Butler and Foucault in order to advance the interests of powerful businessmen and at the same time look as though they're criticizing the powerful. I have no fondness for that other board, but they're opposition to intellectuals like Butler is more than laudable.

> Having the same understanding of gender & sexuality as a man from the 1940s isn't "edgy".
If you believe this to be true, you severely misunderstand how power is allocated in our society. Those that dominate the fourth branch of the US government (academia, epsecially prestigious schools like Berkeley) are anti-essentialists, and they rule with an iron-fist. To be an essentialist in and of itself is an act of rebellion.

>blatant lies spewed by Butler and Foucault in order to advance the interests of powerful businessmen
Can you.... expand on this?