Am I the only one who thinks its amazing how the right wing has utterly co-opted the analytical tools of the Marxists?

Am I the only one who thinks its amazing how the right wing has utterly co-opted the analytical tools of the Marxists?

The thought of Marx, Gramsci, Debord, Marcuse, Deleuze, etc. has all been subsumed by NRx and its offshoots. Modern-day "communists" just LARP as revolutionaries and scream confusedly about minorities and the proletariat while the far right is doing serious intellectual legwork to lay the foundation for the re-establishment of functioning polities worldwide.

Protesters bought and sold by the world's largest corporations will still be making their voices hoarse over seizing the means of production when Capital has fully deterritorialized and leaves humanity in the dust. Strong homogenous tribes of HRx subsistence-farmers will be thriving in the woods in a way that Woodstock-attendees and hippie commune-livers of the 70's never could have even dreamed of at the same time as Tim Cook's AIDS-riddled body is dumped into the oven by our sentient machine overlords after stealing his brain.

The future is bright.

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no. they're not doing anything new, just continuing what was considered normal if not progressive in some circles only a hundred years ago. picking up from where fellows like lothrop stoddard left off. largely due to internet + anonymity since many of their ideas, at least when stated bluntly rather than couched in obtuse language, are violently unfashionable. was only a matter of time before they resurfaced.

The left is actually also doing what you describe. Recuperated Marxism (Third Way leftism) is the enemy of the far left and the fart right. The future looks bright because Debord is becoming a hot topic again.

I'm not sure how selling Soviet tees to college kids is doing anything for the left. Do you think the normalization of communist imagery is going to affect a major social change? Because universities have been doing the brutalist architecture thing for decades. If you could clarify a bit I'd appreciate it.

HRx has ancient roots, obviously, but right-accelerationism is pretty new

>just continuing what was considered normal if not progressive in some circles only a hundred years ago

This

>hmmm maybe mental illness is a social construct. So maybe I shouldn't feel bad about liking lolis.

>a girl of marriageable age is a loli
eugenics was made for people like you

>10 is a marriagable age

So why do people hate Islam again?

Because it's associated with violent brown people. The art isn't so good either.

>Am I the only one who thinks its amazing how the right wing has utterly co-opted the analytical tools of the Marxists?
No, I'm more amazed at how in the world would people think there is such thing as a left wing that would mantain some manner of monopoly over continental philosophy, especially the contemporary kind, and keep it away from de ebil gabidalists.

It's not like Debord tried to warn people of recuperation or anything, right?

Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the campus, and cried incessantly: "The universities are corporations! The party you vote is a corporation!" -- As many of those who did not believe to be commodities were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he play too many video games? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? an asylum seeker? -- Thus they yelled and laughed.

what is this talk of recuperation? mind explaining it?

>the process by which those who control the spectacular culture, embodied most obviously in the mass media, co-opt all revolutionary ideas by publicizing a neutralized version of them, literally turning oppositional tactics into ideology. The SI {Situationist International} identified the threat of revolutionary tactics being absorbed and defused as reformist elements. The SI pinpointed the increasingly evident problem of capitalist institutions subverting the terms of oppositional movements for their own uses recuperation operated on all fronts: in advertising, in academics, in public political discourse, in the marginal discourses of leftist factions, and so on.
Read Society of the Spectacle and Comments on the Society of the Spectacle.

Debord also made a movie, but I recommend the book because it covers many more important topics like the commodification of time. SoS is more than a discussion of the Spectacle itself, it's basically an introduction to marxism in a media-dominated age.

>the right wing
>the Marxists
>bla bla
implying these are political forces "co-opting" anything instead of intellectual giants pushing knowledge into areas the puny commons can only comprehend through the petty lens of politics

I'd like to choke her.

>all this delicious left wing salt as they slowly realise their theories about the inevitable direction of history were incorrect, that the post-war welfare state was a blip, and the future will only be more capitalist corporatism, atomisation, and the god-like power of the uber-wealthy to service their own needs

this

>the far right is doing serious intellectual legwork to lay the foundation for the re-establishment of functioning polities worldwide.

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i love this modern right-wing idea that your own life being a nightmare is worth it because your suffering supposedly annoys imaginary leftists.

too bad all this shit only exists within the framework of liberal identity politics and internet fandom. have you noticed the popularization of ostensibly taboo shit like holocaust denial? it functions like a fandom, people will link you to the leuchter report like they used to link you to their petition to bring back firefly. all this supposedly radical shit comes back as a meme, and it's shocking for five minutes until it isn't. it comes back in this castrated way. these people are not nazis, they're the nazi germany internet fandom. a lot of them are probably jewish.

in liberal identity politics the hijab is unacceptable because it's a symbol of the oppression of women, but it can be rendered acceptable by a simple symbolic operation: if the hijab is worn by a woman not because her oppressive muslim society forces her to do it, but because she is choosing to wear it to express her identity as a muslim. islam as a traditional social order is incompatible with liberalism, but it can be "digested" by it, turned into a liberal "cultural identity" where the hijab is now a fashion choice by which a woman expresses herself, just like dying her hair pink or whatever. now you can have a lesbian muslim transwoman, with a dick under her dress and pink hair under her hijab.

this is what the internet revival of radically conservative positions is doing. it's presenting these supposedly unacceptable views for digestion by the liberal identity politics apparatus so they come out the other end as nonthreatening tokens of liberal identity. there is this unreachable utopian vision of liberal multiculturalism and the alt-right is working towards it, not against it, it's helping it swallow these ultraconservative positions that at first glance seem incompatible with it (like the hijab used to). i'm genderfluid. i'm a nazi. i'm a star wars fan. i'm a lesbian. i'm a monarchist. i'm a furry. i'm a reactionary. i'm gay. i'm a men's rights activist trapped in the body of a lesbian, please donate to my indiegogo to help me transition, allah will bless you if you do. hail hitler!

this thread has nothing to do with nazism (neo or otherwise)

It speaks to the fact that Marxism is fundementally correct, as far as an analysis of society and economy goes, but that 'is' doesn't imply the 'ought' that those works were originally written with.

You just have to realize right wing and left wing ideas continually alternate like day and night. It's the natural process of human culture.

I don't understand how the right wing has become the party of blue collar workers. Isn't that the left's bread and butter?

This is precisely the problem though. Left-wing politics has become a commodity of liberal capitalism that can be consumed at will.

The Left abandoned them in favour of migrants; you can't claim support the working class while shipping in hundreds of thousands of immigrations, they aren't fucking stupid.

Marxism is fundamentally incorrect. People will always be divided more by ethnicity/culture than they are by class.

Didn't the left-wing used to criticize immigration and globalization, because it made things worse for the workers at home? Now that seems to have completely reversed.

Blame idealism, the left are obsessed with it.

That's exactly why politics is a total fucking complete meme. It doesn't make any sense. Right and Left are spooks.

it's because the ruling class put all of their effort into undermining anti-globalist leftism after Seattle, but they forgot to watch the right and lost control of the narrative on that side for now

Thank you. The entire concept of political ideologies is totally flaws. Words like "socialism", "fascism", "democracy", "authoritarian", seem to have absolutely no meaning at all, their meaning changes every few years and it means different things in different locations. It says more about who is saying them, than what they are actually describing. And don't get me started on the completed ridiculous left-right spectrum that has no descriptive value at all.

I've come to totally hate political language. It is meaningless. It is vague. It clouds rather than clarifies thought. It makes us think backwards: "is x policy an example of socialism? Is y policy an example of being libertarian"? People are more interested in adhering to the ideologies than anything.

Exactly. You're explaining it very fine.

>americans

>The thought of Marx, Gramsci, Debord, Marcuse, Deleuze, etc. has all been subsumed by NRx and its offshoots.
I mean apart from how NRx and whatever its offshoots are are probably complete bullshit...

Why do people fight for their own servitude as if it were their salvation? Dor the lulz. No wonder /pol/ is right-wing.

*For

Accelerationism is a Hegelian concept. Hegel was a blood thirsty right wing traditionalist who wanted to suck Napoleon's dick. it's Kant, also a traditionalist, who began the shitshow by opining a priori conditions for experiencing phenomena and exalting imagination, and it's Nietzsche, also right wing, who took it to extreme lengths and finished it. What did Marx, Gramsci, Debord, Marcuse, Deleuze, etc, offer except obfuscation?

NRx isn't bullshit, it's just that it's still too cold to really motivate people beyond Stick It To The Leftists. It has aesthetics, but that's *all* it has (although that's not a small thing). It lacks an appropriately human psychological dimension, something other than theory. Ethnat and alt-right guys are looking to introduce this in familiar Defend Evropa ways, and this will work on some people, but to me the answer isn't 2D Deus Vult. It's literature. Proper, capital-G great literature.

Nick Land is good at suffering and despair, but you can't root for collapse. He's just doing his part to delineate the face of the horror that people are going to have to live with. That's his contribution, to see the obverse side of capitalism and Marxism as clearly as anyone has ever done, to the point where it destroyed his mind.

The thing that's lacking is a kind of optimism and positivity that isn't hopelessly naive or fanatically positivist. You can be constructively right-wing and not be a giant asshole. Right now we have our choice of miserabilisms, cynicisms, black holes, etc to fall into. So how can you resist a black hole? Put something beautiful between you and it to focus on.

"Root the earth," as someone said. I liked that.

>people fight for their own servitude as if it were their salvation
I find this to be very true. Both leftists and rightists do this, but rightists even more.

>Am I the only one who thinks its amazing how the right wing has utterly co-opted the analytical tools of the Marxists?
[citation needed] show me anyone seriously critically studying natural science or economics that's just not ideology.
"Right wing" politics, its success, is premesised on mass unemployement; it's a result of the lumpenization process that neoliberalism set in motion, drug addication, collapsing of communities, etc, etc... its answer is austarity and getting use to lower living standards

>I don't understand how the right wing has become the party of blue collar workers. Isn't that the left's bread and butter?
In America workers don't view themselves as workers, there's no oppositional "workers culture" just one mass pop culture everyone engages in. Those "blue collar workers" you're thinking about identify themselves as "Christian Americans" not "workers".

Yes, those are called protectionists and there's a lot of reacationary left-wingers who don't understand how capitalism functions and think becoming more like north korea would be a good thing.

Think you're conflating "the left" with the visible portions of the left, while conflating "the right" with the intellectual portions of the right.

I'm seeing the right increasingly get bandwagoned with "kekistan" retards and such and less people that have read Julius Evola and such. That being I'm trying to understand shit more but I'm literally too low IQ to ever be more than a pseud, one standard deviation above the norm + low conscientiousness combined means I will always be a pseud.

Socialism and Fascism in particular have been extremely abused.

Socialism = everybody chips in money to buy a power plant, and it also = everybody gets money after we sell off a power plant. It literally can now mean the exact opposite thing it once was.

>Socialism and Fascism in particular have been extremely abused
Funnily enough, Italian Fascism was eminently socialist.

>baaw some words are context-dependent
>baaw language is not a precise expression tool
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The modern SJW left has zero argument against paedophile acceptance in the intellectual framework a ton of them subscribe to and when the normies realise this they're going to lose their fucking minds at them.

The amount of pedo acceptance shit I've seen in recent years is ridiculous. Leddit is a pedo loving nexus.

Modern leftists have perfected the art of creating young conservatives, a task previously considered impossible throughout history.

>my concept of contemporary political ideologies and social trends is based entirely on browsing the internet

yes

That's just for one election. They were sick of Obama messing with issues like transgendered bathrooms while they watched their manufacturing jobs sent overseas. Once Trump said he'll bring the jobs back they went all in on him.

We don't know how many of those jobs will actually come back but cutting the corporate tax rate to 15% is meant to have companies move back to the states.

Those blue collar workers could jut have easily voted for Bernie if he campaigned differently and wasn't a socialist boogeyman.

Nice post. Except it's trash.

Democrats have always been pro cheap labor, that's why they fought for slavery.

Republicans have always been petit bourgeoisie.

When you understand the democrats are a pro-business party you start understanding US politics a lot better.

If it was based entirely off browsing the internet I would believe the left was legitimately going to be successful in getting pedo acceptance going because the internet consists of childless ideologues.

We all know that words are not set in stone, but political language is especially bad. Virtually all words used in politics are "ideological words" that encompass many different belief. Concrete language is hardly ever used.

I don't get why the working class always seems to identify more with people like Hitler, Trump and Putin

>Strong homogenous tribes of HRx subsistence-farmers will be thriving in the woods in a way that Woodstock-attendees and hippie commune-livers of the 70's never could have even dreamed of

made me think of this. it's almost like Western civilization was made out of strong collectivist bands of farmers or something

The craving for simple strict power hierarchies and strong authority figures comes free with being a brainlet.

Working class people tend to be collectivists in the genuine sense of the term; meaning, they are not multiculturalists. They are tight-knit and want to have a bonded community that can work together. They don't want to share their resources with a bunch of outsiders and they don't want the culture to be changed from the outside.

The modern left wing ideology of collectivism + multiculturalism makes zero sense.

the ruling class neutralized the left by making them fear being labelled "racist" if they protest against globalization, so taking the easy way out like the spineless leftists they are, they now protest in favor of globalization, leaving the working class to shift right

This. It seems to be the case that not only is there no room on university campuses for right-wing thought, and increasingly there's no room for insufficiently left-wing thought either.

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The democrats literally tax the first $1000 you earn while calling themselves champions of the poor workers. They tax the upper classes more, but just think about that, they literally tax even the first little bit of money you earn and then give your money back to you after taking a cut. This money is largely redistributed in urban areas and to people on welfare when a ton of republican voters are rural.

They flood new people into the country, devaluing labor within the country, to the benefit of business. Sure they raise the minimum wage, but they're helping push down the wages especially wages relative to cost of living for everybody else.

Dems introduce tons of regulations, which are inherently easier for larger than smaller businesses to be able to abide by, and to pay the fines when they don't abide by them.

People see the repubs as supporting independant wealth that makes the poor less dependant on the government and rich. When people hold the roots of their own wealth, that makes the rich less able to jerk them around by threatening to leave the country when they don't get their tax cuts.

Dems are better if you're not making money at all, if you're making minimum wage, if you're disabled, if you're a businessman relying on outsourcing and immigrant labor, a lot of different things. Republicans see themselves as, not so much helping the most disadvantaged, but keeping the economic strength of the country within the group of people making above minimum wage, and small-medium size business, and rural/suburban areas. Which has appeal, even if you're not in that class of people, if you imagine yourself as wanting to climb into that class, and if you're male especially generally you're never going to be satisfied if you're making minimum wage/on welfare no matter how much money you're given because you will lack social status and nobody will ever sleep with you.

>while the far right is doing serious intellectual legwork

blackpill my man
the worship of destruction has already begun.

people are thinking about rebuilding, not preserving

>people are thinking about rebuilding, not preserving
This. Finally people are learning the lesson. With a delay of one century, but they're learning.

Perhaps. I'm not into the destruction of monasteries though. Pretty fond of those.

Plus I'd be shit at paganism.

>He's just doing his part to delineate the face of the horror that people are going to have to live with. That's his contribution, to see the obverse side of capitalism and Marxism as clearly as anyone has ever done, to the point where it destroyed his mind.
> to the point where it destroyed his mind.

This meme is stale. If you listen to his recent lectures at the New Centre it's quite clear his brain is functioning fine, compared to any average esoteric academic anyway.

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Nick Land - Bitcoin and Philosophy
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Nick Land - Outer Edges
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No one said you have to destroy monasteries. On the contrary, beauty (a stationary fragment of eternity) must remain. Destruction is to be directed towards machines, i.e. any system or process than simply doesn't work and causes problems. If something is stuck, eliminate it. It's simpler.

True. He does seem to have recovered it.

Thanks for the links also.

You clearly don't know anything about economics. Yes, you might pay more taxes, but you will end up SAVING money in the long run because your healthcare and education are free.

people actually watch this shit? 196 views. guess not.

op and his ilk are blinded by a charade of spooks. modern society uses marxist analytical frameworks because they are useful, its not a partisan issue, only fiscally and intellectually impoverished struggle with this idea

part of the low viewcount is probably that they're unlisted videos. If you don't have the link, you won't find them. I think this is either to protect the identity of the students engaged in the seminar, or it might be because of the New Centre recently cutting ties with Land.

Guessing this is a jew.

The left/right paradigm is no longer very useful, but to use it for the sake of argument, yes, the most intellectual and cutting edge thought overwhelmingly comes from the right these days. There's not even a competition it's so lopsided. Not the old right that was coopted by jews and became neoconservativism and tried to make the right about abortion and muh constitution, etc. I'd say the new right's problem until recently was that it was *too* intellectual and didn't have a plebe ground game, though it did wisely target youth via image boards -- whoever bears responsibility for that likely intentional manifestation. But /pol is small potatoes overall, more an online intelligence operation than anything else.

The left these days are a bunch of freaks and faggots too stupid to realize they're pawns for nation-destroying jewish globalism. It's an intellectual void. The boomer ideologies that propelled the left are stale and dying, and they literally have to stifle discourse these days to maintain their hegemony. This intellectual vacuum, caused not only by the jewish-run left's preference for fake egalitarian lies over natural truth but its outright hostility best represented by its attempts to import a new underclass to replace the European populations of the west, likely means that we are reaching a civilizational tipping point. One that will end with yet another mass expulsion of the jews from western nations.

even if you just search for "nick land" on youtube, the views are in the low five figures, which is nothing

ok but here's thing...if you believe that people are unequal and that egalitarianism is all lies...and the jews are controlling all of world culture and the global economy...then doesn't that make them the master race? and since you don't believe in egalitarianism or equality, what's you beef? the jews are superior and rule over you, stop crying, what are you some kind of leftist snowflake who believes in "equality"?

That's only if you couldn't get healthcare and education* for cheaper than the rate the government can give them to you at. SPOILER: You can, very easily. The vast majority of the population would. The government taxing you just to give you a small portion of it back is idiotic and the entire mentality is what leads to corruption in government. Not to mention it's not nearly as simple as just "healthcare and education" as the money is spent on far more than just those two things, nor does it deal with the needs of individuals or regions. What if I have healthcare from the government but I don't need it? Then that's a waste of money as far as I'm concerned and the """""""""""""FREE"""""""""" healthcare I receive is just money leaving my pocket and benefiting me in absolutely zero form. I'm ignoring "But it could help someone else!" as that's a different argument, we can come up with a better healthcare scheme that makes my money help people without hurting me.

It's far better for people to just get a lump sum of money and have the optionality to do with it what they please, it helps everyone except 0.01% of the population who are legitimately retarded enough to blow their entire pay check on hookers and blow.

You also assume the process is 100% efficient; it isn't. As I've already said the (semi-hidden perks) method just leads to more corruption in the government meaning you are, no matter what, losing money as it's going to some crony's pocket instead of the intended destination.

The single biggest thing the People's Action Party in Singapore did to reduce corruption was just give people lump sums of cash as payment instead of meme bonuses. Instead of MP's getting chauffers and servants and mansions and drivers and cars and healthcare they just got given a wad of cash and could spend it as they needed. Paying for an MP's driver is a literal waste of money if the MP doesn't use a driver.

I'm feeling generous, so here's some greentext:

>Yes, you might pay more taxes, but you will end up SAVING money in the long run because your healthcare and education are free.
>We're going to take 60% of your income, but give 20% back to you! See, you're SAVING money!


*Literally no one except a handful of nuts argue that High School and Elementary should be totally privatized and any arguments even humoring the idea are solely to kill Teacher's Unions so they will stop giving money to the Democrats.

Have you ever seen a jew? They're ugly, short, and weak ... not exactly what I'd call a "master race." I will give them credit for developing a post WW2 plan that allowed them to attain power by manipulating European morality and guilt in a perverse manner, but I think that represents their insanity more than it highlights their right to rule. We're likely to see a much better representation or display of will to power once the left's hegemony fades and Europeans begin to reassert their influence over their historic nations.

sure you can get cheaper, but thats irrelevant to the cost of a state regulated social apparatus.

Congratulations, you've discovered that literally nobody outside of Philosophy cares about Philosophy.

>NRx
What is that?

well i could look up any guy who isn't a total crank and he would probably have 10 times the hits, but even then most philosophy is just pseud bullshit, if you're lucky you get someone who really does something important once a generation, i've had deeper discussions than those stupid nick land workshops on fucking Veeky Forums

ten bucks says jared kushner is better looking and taller than you, fatty, why don't u go trim your neckbeard and put in an application at mcdonalds before your mom throws your nintendo in the trash again

You could look up a popular philosopher discussing topics that aren't philosophy and find many videos with 10 times the hits, yes.

99.99% of Philosophers couldn't get a video above 10 videos, Land is the equivalent of a celebrity, having entire articles dedicated to slandering him in national newspapers.

I don't think you realize how bad it can get, John McTaggart, a major figure has like one video on youtube about him at 300 views.

>Capitalism comes into existence and immediately becomes hellscape dystopia
>Marxism predicts that the inexorable logic of capitalism will cause utopia
>Capitalism predicts that the inexorable logic of capitalism will cause utopia
>Marxist countries become fascist hellscape dystopia
>Capitalist countries become fordist hellscape dystopia
>Marxism reacts to failure of utopian economism by actively contesting class division in the superstructure (Gramsci, Frankfurt School, Sorelian syndicalism)
>Capitalism reacts to failure of utopian economism by actively contesting class division in the superstructure (New Deal, social democracy)
>Capitalism reabsorbs post-Marxist culture of critique back into itself, nothing changes
>Capitalism reabsorbs New Deal and social democracy back into itself, nothing changes
>Marxists give up on orthodox Marxism, go on magical vision quest to find capitalism's evil core, try to use schizoanalytic alchemy and magic genderbending superpowers to topple phallogo-patriarcho-liquidsnake capitalism
>Reform capitalists fuse with post-Marxists, try to find the Great Evil Penis that sustains All Capitalism
>Evil capitalists fuse with evil fascist technocrats, absorb postmodernism by giving everyone PhD meme degrees in Post-CriticaI I Hate Penises Studies and turning everything into an ironic t-shirt
>Reform capitalists and post-Marxists now work for evil capitalism

Because it was easier to bribe migrants to vote for them.

>John McTaggart
> McTaggart is known for "The Unreality of Time" (1908), in which he argues that time is unreal.

wow man you mean time is a social construct so we can know when to plant the crops and show up to work? what a deep thinker dude

>When /g/ attempts to Veeky Forums: the post.

You hypothetically lost $10 and your insults are weak. Verdict: jew.

/g/ is a better board than Veeky Forums, i wish this board had their level of maturity

The amount of isms is giving me a stroke.

Because instruments, alcohol and portrayals of senetient things are Haram

/g/ is filled with autist freetards who think they are 'leet' for using obscure technology that no one uses because it actually kind of sucks if you use it for anything beyond toy and hobby projects, there aren't many places to discuss literature on the internet that don't suck, but there are so many places with much smarter communities to discuss tech than Veeky Forums out there

>/r9k/-tier """"techies"""" that read SICP once and spend their days reinstalling Gentoo and shitposting about Apple is better than literally anyone
Embarrassing post desu.

I can't tell if leftists are capitalist or socialist. Traditionally they tend to criticize capitalism, but lately I see them accepting it on the grounds of a "global marketplace" and "free trade and movement" and celebrating the fact that factories in rural areas are closing due to automation and outsourcing. They seem to love capitalism when it makes multiculturalism more likely.

/g/ is one of the few boards where reddit is actually a much better topical alternative

see and

Whether we're dealing with a state regulated good/service or not is irrelevant to the central point: If I don't use EVERY SINGLE unit of whatever good or service the state is providing me at tax payer's expense as a """"perk"""" then it's going to waste. I'm not saying we should privatize everything, I'm saying we should:

1) Look at the simplest option (Just giving people a lump sum of cash, or just taking as little money from people as possible)

2) Utilize market forces even in situations where we don't like market outcomes by designing systems that don't lead to those market outcomes.

Look at co-ops: They're designed to make a profit, but this profit is purely used to fulfill some other function. A corporation cares about maximizing the profits of its shareholders, whereas a co-op isn't bound by that. A co-op can utilize market functions without leading to the same outcomes as a corporation utilizing market forces.

Look at the Basque industrial co-ops. Yes, they turn a profit, and that profit is solely done to pay their workers a competitive wage. Look at Grocery co-ops. Yes, they turn a profit, and that profit is used to provide customers with high quality produce.

This is precisely the point I'm getting at. Education does not HAVE to be run in a manner that maximizes profit to put as much money into shareholders pockets as possible, and neither does healthcare. Both can be run in a manner that generates profit to pay workers but does so in order to achieve the best quality education and give the best healthcare. This is literally what Singapore does and it does it to great effect.

Nah. /g/ is useless. It is "technology" like Veeky Forums is "fashion." Just a bunch of preening consumer neckbeards signaling brand loyalty.

>I can't tell if leftists are capitalist or socialist.

you'll find both varieties of leftists, it a wide spectrum. On one end you've got utopian socialists who want one world government, on another end you've got neoliberal capitalists who want to preserve the freedom and dignity of democracy and the peer to peer relationship. On other positions you've got anarchists who want an end to global order in favor of local communes and collectives.

>anarchists who want an end to global order in favor of local communes and collectives
examples of these absolute madmen?

Not who you are replying to but Keith Preston is a self-proclaimed anarchist who has written about the larger state breaking up into smaller states based on ideological preference.

there is no "masterrace" every race evolved independtly in order to survive in its own environment. The Jew is the master of the city, of the exchange; The Jew is not the Master of Europe. He thrives in our current fucked up political order, but once we blanket-ban usury he will go extinct.